MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Diahon]

We deserve the shitstorm that will pound us. We will loose the benefit of having a moment of stupidity and be thought of as stupid by other nations., etc., etc.

Don’t be planning of any great expenditures.

Even if he looses; expect some vindictive moves on the social and tax fronts.

Trump is totally the president America deserves. I think after the Katrina debacle and war in Iraq, we deserved to have a president that admitted to the world how fucked up we are as a country.

You are not allowed to fail.

Let me say that again: YOU, LYNCHPIN OF THE CURRENT WORLD ORDER, FOREMOST DEMOCRACY, AND LEADING SUPERPOWER, ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FAIL.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Trump is totally the president America deserves. I think after the Katrina debacle and war in Iraq, we deserved to have a president that admitted to the world how fucked up we are as a country.

You are not allowed to fail.

Let me say that again: YOU, LYNCHPIN OF THE CURRENT WORLD ORDER, FOREMOST DEMOCRACY, AND LEADING SUPERPOWER, ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FAIL.

The lynchpin of world order that plunged several countries into chaos.

Foremost democracy that beats peaceful protesters and squirrels them away in unarmed vans.

Leading superpower that stalemated in Afghanistan and couldn't save its own citizens from covid.

America has become a crude parody of itself.

[Diahon]

you see something that should fail, i see the world's authoritarians lapping up and licking their lips at the opportunity to finally go wild

so no

[Borderlands of Rojava]

you see something that should fail, i see the world's authoritarians lapping up and licking their lips at the opportunity to finally go wild

so no

The world's authoritarians include the US government. Why dont you ask those Iraqis who were blown into 50 pieces what they think of America, or the Chileans who had a democratic leader overthrown by our CIA. I know you think America is some perfect country diahon but it isnt. It's imo one of the fakest countries on earth, where we pretend things are okay when they aren't.

[Diahon]

you see something that should fail, i see the world's authoritarians lapping up and licking their lips at the opportunity to finally go wild

so no

The world's authoritarians include the US government. Why dont you ask those Iraqis who were blown into 50 pieces what they think of America, or the Chileans who had a democratic leader overthrown by our CIA. I know you think America is some perfect country diahon but it isnt. It's imo one of the fakest countries on earth, where we pretend things are okay when they aren't.

well, no, i don't imagine the us as some sort of pinnacle of perfection

but it is a democracy, that's well worth fighting for

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/ ... ed-to-300/

Trump decreases American wellbeing even more.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The world's authoritarians include the US government. Why dont you ask those Iraqis who were blown into 50 pieces what they think of America, or the Chileans who had a democratic leader overthrown by our CIA. I know you think America is some perfect country diahon but it isnt. It's imo one of the fakest countries on earth, where we pretend things are okay when they aren't.

well, no, i don't imagine the us as some sort of pinnacle of perfection

but it is a democracy, that's well worth fighting for

It's so democratic that the government is controlled by corporate interests and war hawks while most Americans want an end to endless wars and greater equality.

Also the president is trying to steal the election.

[Northern Davincia]

you see something that should fail, i see the world's authoritarians lapping up and licking their lips at the opportunity to finally go wild

so no

Accepting defeat is less painful, we live in a "multipolar" world now. The chance to keep authoritarians down slipped by decades ago.

[Valrifell]

you see something that should fail, i see the world's authoritarians lapping up and licking their lips at the opportunity to finally go wild

so no

Accepting defeat is less painful, we live in a "multipolar" world now. The chance to keep authoritarians down slipped by decades ago.

One can not simply close the can of worms once it's been opened.

The Trump administration and its consequences will be a disaster for the human race.

[Northern Davincia]

Accepting defeat is less painful, we live in a "multipolar" world now. The chance to keep authoritarians down slipped by decades ago.

One can not simply close the can of worms once it's been opened.

The Trump administration and its consequences will be a disaster for the human race.

No doubt, but the priority now should be to protect freedom at home rather than abroad.

[The Black Forrest]

One can not simply close the can of worms once it's been opened.

The Trump administration and its consequences will be a disaster for the human race.

No doubt, but the priority now should be to protect freedom at home rather than abroad.

Freedom? What needs protecting?

[Northern Davincia]

No doubt, but the priority now should be to protect freedom at home rather than abroad.

Freedom? What needs protecting?

National sovereignty in the face of weak allies is a good start.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Accepting defeat is less painful, we live in a "multipolar" world now. The chance to keep authoritarians down slipped by decades ago.

One can not simply close the can of worms once it's been opened.

The Trump administration and its consequences will be a disaster for the human race.

Trump is more a result of our problems than a cause. He's the embodiment of an all-American collective psychosis.

[Fahran]

Accepting defeat is less painful, we live in a "multipolar" world now. The chance to keep authoritarians down slipped by decades ago.

^ This. We also haven't really had the stomach for it since the Cold War came to a close. We're not willing to engage in containment by sweeping the rug out from governments allied to the Chinese and the Russians, even when those governments abandon democracy and become progressively more and more dictatorial. Without the willingness to actually uphold a neoliberal global order with violence, said order will naturally decay into a multi-polar geopolitcal dynamic where authoritarians and non-liberals wield more influence than they did previously. And, honestly, that's fine. The alternative is Operation Condor, proxy wars, constant tension, and American blood spilled fruitlessly for what domestic leftists and paleocons will call neo-imperialism.

[No State Here]

Freedom? What needs protecting?

National sovereignty in the face of weak allies is a good start.

Europe really needs to get its shit together, I always laugh when smug Europeans call the US a "third world country" when the US spends so much on the military to protect them from being steamrolled by Russia’s tanks. Due to the lack of military spending, Europe can afford all its social programs at the expense of Americans.

Basically we have an unfair alliance

[Northern Davincia]

Accepting defeat is less painful, we live in a "multipolar" world now. The chance to keep authoritarians down slipped by decades ago.

^ This. We also haven't really had the stomach for it since the Cold War came to a close. We're not willing to engage in containment by sweeping the rug out from governments allied to the Chinese and the Russians, even when those governments abandon democracy and become progressively more and more dictatorial. Without the willingness to actually uphold a neoliberal global order with violence, said order will naturally decay into a multi-polar geopolitcal dynamic where authoritarians and non-liberals wield more influence than they did previously. And, honestly, that's fine. The alternative is Operation Condor, proxy wars, constant tension, and American blood spilled fruitlessly for what domestic leftists and paleocons will call neo-imperialism.

Proxy wars are still on the table if the enemy is communist.

[The Black Forrest]

Freedom? What needs protecting?

National sovereignty in the face of weak allies is a good start.

Eh? As in isolationism? I have had a few trumpests talk about national sovereignty and they ended up basically describing isolationism.

For that? I’ll pass.

[Northern Davincia]

National sovereignty in the face of weak allies is a good start.

Eh? As in isolationism? I have had a few trumpests talk about national sovereignty and they ended up basically describing isolationism.

For that? I’ll pass.

Not isolationism per se, but if our "allies" don't intend on pulling their own weight, they can fend for themselves.

[Cisairse]

First flight to Johannesburg

No, we’re still banned from SA.

I didn't say the first flight would be soon

[Borderlands of Rojava]

National sovereignty in the face of weak allies is a good start.

Eh? As in isolationism? I have had a few trumpests talk about national sovereignty and they ended up basically describing isolationism.

For that? I’ll pass.

You would hate to have our troops come home and stop fighting overseas? Imo we need to be more isolated from the rest of the world, or at least a neutral power.

[Eahland]

He seems to be really committed to the idea that suburbia exists as a refuge from the poors.

Wait, is he talking about doing his convention from the White House? Is that allowed?

I don't believe so, no. Strictly speaking, neither are his press conferences in the Rose Garden that turn into campaign speeches.

As I understand it, while it's historically something that has Not Been Done, it's not actually forbidden by anything other than custom, cultural norms, and basic decency, and we all know where Trump stands on those.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... tles-trump

Holy shit, a reporter just asked Trump if he regrets all the lying he's done over the last four years.

Trump was so caught off guard he didn't even try to argue. He just stared dumbfounded and then called on someone else.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/14/do-you-regret-all-your-lying-white-house-reporters-question-startles-trump

Holy shit, a reporter just asked Trump if he regrets all the lying he's done over the last four years.

Trump was so caught off guard he didn't even try to argue. He just stared dumbfounded and then called on someone else.

Trump always calls on someone to fix up his mistakes.

[Vassenor]

One can not simply close the can of worms once it's been opened.

The Trump administration and its consequences will be a disaster for the human race.

No doubt, but the priority now should be to protect freedom at home rather than abroad.

Maybe you can start by doing something about the GOP trying to restrict constitutional rights then.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

A two for one this morning...
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