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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:53 pm

New haven america wrote:
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There will be plenty of criticism, especially from the left.

But polling among Democrats consistently showed her as the favourite pick for the VP slot.

Again, I'll repeat. She is far from the best choice, but she is not going to tank Bidens election campaign with her mere presence

Yes she is.

Like, this is akin to McCain picking Palin.

Let's not be dramatic here.

Palin was a uniquely unqualified, unskilled and unintelligent candidate. She was cringe inducing.

Say what you will about Harris, there is alot to criticize, but she is definitely not Palin.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:56 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes she is.

Like, this is akin to McCain picking Palin.

Let's not be dramatic here.

Palin was a uniquely unqualified, unskilled and unintelligent candidate. She was cringe inducing.

Say what you will about Harris, there is alot to criticize, but she is definitely not Palin.


Or Mike Pence for that matter.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:57 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes she is.

Like, this is akin to McCain picking Palin.

Let's not be dramatic here.

Palin was a uniquely unqualified, unskilled and unintelligent candidate. She was cringe inducing.

Say what you will about Harris, there is alot to criticize, but she is definitely not Palin.


I mean, she's not qualified, she's not very skilled and she certainly doesn't come across as very intelligent. Hell the Biden campaign itself is pretty transparent that she was only picked because of her gender and her skin color.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:58 pm

Honestly there's merit in that.

They made her VP so she won't cause too much trouble.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:59 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Let's not be dramatic here.

Palin was a uniquely unqualified, unskilled and unintelligent candidate. She was cringe inducing.

Say what you will about Harris, there is alot to criticize, but she is definitely not Palin.


I mean, she's not qualified, she's not very skilled and she certainly doesn't come across as very intelligent. Hell the Biden campaign itself is pretty transparent that she was only picked because of her gender and her skin color.

I do have to agree that she was picked as a token VP, there are better candidates and putting someone like Harris with all the anger against Police right now was absolutely stupid.
Biden seems the type to think that minorities are stupid and will mainly vote for people who look like them.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:59 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Let's not be dramatic here.

Palin was a uniquely unqualified, unskilled and unintelligent candidate. She was cringe inducing.

Say what you will about Harris, there is alot to criticize, but she is definitely not Palin.


I mean, she's not qualified, she's not very skilled and she certainly doesn't come across as very intelligent. Hell the Biden campaign itself is pretty transparent that she was only picked because of her gender and her skin color.

Her "qualifications" include a one-hit wonder campaign.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:00 pm

The Rich Port wrote:Honestly there's merit in that.

They made her VP so she won't cause too much trouble.

By that logic Bernie, Warren, or Yang would be better picks.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I mean, she's not qualified, she's not very skilled and she certainly doesn't come across as very intelligent. Hell the Biden campaign itself is pretty transparent that she was only picked because of her gender and her skin color.

I do have to agree that she was picked as a token VP, there are better candidates and putting someone like Harris with all the anger against Police right now was absolutely stupid.
Biden seems the type to think that minorities are stupid and will mainly vote for people who look like them.

That’s exactly what Biden is banking on
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Postby Biden Harris 2020 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:01 pm

Hey there, here's the Dem ticket...

Biden Harris 2020

Defeat Trump Pence!!!

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Postby Cisairse » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:02 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes she is.

Like, this is akin to McCain picking Palin.

Let's not be dramatic here.

Palin was a uniquely unqualified, unskilled and unintelligent candidate. She was cringe inducing.

Say what you will about Harris, there is alot to criticize, but she is definitely not Palin.

Oh just you wait.
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Postby Soiled fruit roll ups » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:02 pm

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I mean, she's not qualified, she's not very skilled and she certainly doesn't come across as very intelligent. Hell the Biden campaign itself is pretty transparent that she was only picked because of her gender and her skin color.

Her "qualifications" include a one-hit wonder campaign.


Her qualifications is she has the right amount of melanin in her skin, only. That's a particularly stupid and transparent move.

But considering how racist both sides are over there, that may not actually matter.
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Postby Biden Harris 2020 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:05 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Let's not be dramatic here.

Palin was a uniquely unqualified, unskilled and unintelligent candidate. She was cringe inducing.

Say what you will about Harris, there is alot to criticize, but she is definitely not Palin.

Oh just you wait.


She's the advocate hammer that Biden needs to complement his personality. Pence is gonna get steamrolled in their debate.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:07 pm

Biden Harris 2020 wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Oh just you wait.


She's the advocate hammer that Biden needs to complement his personality. Pence is gonna get steamrolled in their debate.


Yeah she's a great advocate for supporting cops and locking people up without evidence, surely a winning message in 2020 lol
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Postby Biden Harris 2020 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:10 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Biden Harris 2020 wrote:
She's the advocate hammer that Biden needs to complement his personality. Pence is gonna get steamrolled in their debate.


Yeah she's a great advocate for supporting cops and locking people up without evidence, surely a winning message in 2020 lol


Get off it with your massive exaggerations. You prefer Trump? He's shredding the constitution. This is a ticket that wins the states necessary in the Electoral College. You know they've all been polled on the various choices.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:12 pm

Biden Harris 2020 wrote:Hey there, here's the Dem ticket...

Biden Harris 2020

Defeat Trump Pence!!!

Ah yes I can't wait to see the campaign slogan.

Settle for Biden 2020!
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:12 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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They were right-wing nationalists.


Ok. So you found a couple. Doesn’t really provide evidence to suggesting the right wing supported the concept.

Richard Nixon was an environmentalist.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:12 pm

Biden Harris 2020 wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah she's a great advocate for supporting cops and locking people up without evidence, surely a winning message in 2020 lol


Get off it with your massive exaggerations. You prefer Trump? He's shredding the constitution. This is a ticket that wins the states necessary in the Electoral College. You know they've all been polled on the various choices.

Interesting how you can't engage with the argument, so you just say "shut up, she's a winner"
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:12 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Let's not be dramatic here.

Palin was a uniquely unqualified, unskilled and unintelligent candidate. She was cringe inducing.

Say what you will about Harris, there is alot to criticize, but she is definitely not Palin.

Oh just you wait.


There's a difference. I understand your dislike of Harris, I was immensely skeptical of her through the primaries and she was not my first choice.

But Palin was hardly vetted. McCain had never met her, never really known of her, he wanted somebody else and the GOP braintrust thought Palin might provide a poll boost. We may remember that Palin, initially, did provide a bump in the polls. But once she opened her mouth, the voters realized she was the worst choice for the ticket.

Harris, policy differences aside, is a solid public speaker who can reasonably defend herself against attacks. I can't force you to vote for her and Biden, but I can disagree on whether or not this will hurt Biden.

If Biden loses, which he still could, it won't be because he picked Harris.

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Postby Andsed » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:14 pm

Kowani wrote:
Biden Harris 2020 wrote:
Get off it with your massive exaggerations. You prefer Trump? He's shredding the constitution. This is a ticket that wins the states necessary in the Electoral College. You know they've all been polled on the various choices.

Interesting how you can't engage with the argument, so you just say "shut up, she's a winner"

Or ¨but Trump!¨ Like yeah I am willing to take Biden over Trump but that does not exactly mean this was a good choice by Biden
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:14 pm

Biden Harris 2020 wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah she's a great advocate for supporting cops and locking people up without evidence, surely a winning message in 2020 lol


Get off it with your massive exaggerations. You prefer Trump? He's shredding the constitution. This is a ticket that wins the states necessary in the Electoral College. You know they've all been polled on the various choices.


It's not an exaggeration in the slightest. That's literally all her record consists of. She's done nothing of note in the Senate and her time before that is full of things that would make plenty of people angry nowadays.

And news flash bud, everyone is shredding the constitution. You should pay attention to votes on things like re-enabling the PATRIOT Act, it routinely passes with near unanimous bipartisan support.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:16 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Let's not be dramatic here.

Palin was a uniquely unqualified, unskilled and unintelligent candidate. She was cringe inducing.

Say what you will about Harris, there is alot to criticize, but she is definitely not Palin.


Or Mike Pence for that matter.

Pence, I dare say it, is a better fit as VP than Harris. On a side note, I called it and am forever vindicated.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:16 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Oh just you wait.


There's a difference. I understand your dislike of Harris, I was immensely skeptical of her through the primaries and she was not my first choice.

But Palin was hardly vetted. McCain had never met her, never really known of her, he wanted somebody else and the GOP braintrust thought Palin might provide a poll boost. We may remember that Palin, initially, did provide a bump in the polls. But once she opened her mouth, the voters realized she was the worst choice for the ticket.

Harris, policy differences aside, is a solid public speaker who can reasonably defend herself against attacks. I can't force you to vote for her and Biden, but I can disagree on whether or not this will hurt Biden.

If Biden loses, which he still could, it won't be because he picked Harris.


You don’t think she can contribute to that?

People are thinking about criminal justice and police reform. She could keep those people home or voting third party.

Her annoyance factor could get previous trump votes who were going to sit this one out; back in.

We shall see. As said in the locked thread (why are they doing that?) I was in the Biden can actually win this and am now back to a question mark.....

As Fahran mentioned:
A lot of the problem is that she may scare off strong advocates for criminal justice reform, policing reform, and other progressive issues.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:18 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Biden Harris 2020 wrote:Hey there, here's the Dem ticket...

Biden Harris 2020

Defeat Trump Pence!!!

Ah yes I can't wait to see the campaign slogan.

Settle for Biden 2020!
Due Process? What's that? Harris 2020!

Vote Biden 2020. What else are you going to do vote Trump?
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Postby Biden Harris 2020 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:18 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Biden Harris 2020 wrote:
Get off it with your massive exaggerations. You prefer Trump? He's shredding the constitution. This is a ticket that wins the states necessary in the Electoral College. You know they've all been polled on the various choices.


It's not an exaggeration in the slightest. That's literally all her record consists of. She's done nothing of note in the Senate and her time before that is full of things that would make plenty of people angry nowadays.

And news flash bud, everyone is shredding the constitution. You should pay attention to votes on things like re-enabling the PATRIOT Act, it routinely passes with near unanimous bipartisan support.


You're the big defender of liberalism now? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Postby Cisairse » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:18 pm

Biden Harris 2020 wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah she's a great advocate for supporting cops and locking people up without evidence, surely a winning message in 2020 lol


Get off it with your massive exaggerations. You prefer Trump? He's shredding the constitution. This is a ticket that wins the states necessary in the Electoral College. You know they've all been polled on the various choices.

WRA's post is literally not an exaggeration, Kamala literally withheld exonerating evidence to imprison innocent people
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