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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:55 am

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Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:That did not go unnoticed ;)

Did I get a big, beautiful prize for that?


The prize will be big from the standpoint of size, and beautiful from the standpoint of beautifulness!
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:34 am

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You joke but Trudeau has lead this nation thru the storm of COVID-19 very well.


Canada is like America in an alternate universe where Al Gore won in 2000.

The virgin W. Bush vs the chad Al Gore

W. Bush: "How the fuck do I read this CIA report on the Taliban planing on striking America?" "Time to invade Iraq! This definitely won't create a power vacuum in Iraq that will lead to the rise of a genocidal terrorist origination beacuse of the half assed way we rebuild Iraq when it's all said and done."

Al Gore: "Better do something about this Global Warming thing before some anti science people who see masks as Communism and vaccines are made of dead babys elect someone who will continue to fuck up the planet."

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:37 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Canada is like America in an alternate universe where Al Gore won in 2000.

The virgin W. Bush vs the chad Al Gore

W. Bush: "How the fuck do I read this CIA report on the Taliban planing on striking America?" "Time to invade Iraq! This definitely won't create a power vacuum in Iraq that will lead to the rise of a genocidal terrorist origination beacuse of the half assed way we rebuild Iraq when it's all said and done."

Al Gore: "Better do something about this Global Warming thing before some anti science people who see masks as Communism and vaccines are made of dead babys elect someone who will continue to fuck up the planet."


Climate Change denial was very much in vogue during Gore, if not more so than now. For as long as scientists have been talking about global warming and climate change, there have been mass disinformation campaigns to create "skeptics" and allies in the political sphere.

There's some article I had to read for a class that was interesting that scientists started off on the wrong foot by connecting climate change to environmentalism, which is traditionally a leftist/liberal issue which made it easier for oil companies to make it a political issue.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:38 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
You joke but Trudeau has lead this nation thru the storm of COVID-19 very well.


Canada is like America in an alternate universe where Al Gore won in 2000.

Canada is an actually good ally to have, unlike Western Europe, they hold up their end of the bargain and reciprocate the alliance as much as their capacity to do so is. Canadian Oil is one of the biggest reasons the US isn’t relying on Islamic Middle Eastern countries as much as we did 10 years ago.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:04 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:The virgin W. Bush vs the chad Al Gore

W. Bush: "How the fuck do I read this CIA report on the Taliban planing on striking America?" "Time to invade Iraq! This definitely won't create a power vacuum in Iraq that will lead to the rise of a genocidal terrorist origination beacuse of the half assed way we rebuild Iraq when it's all said and done."

Al Gore: "Better do something about this Global Warming thing before some anti science people who see masks as Communism and vaccines are made of dead babys elect someone who will continue to fuck up the planet."


Climate Change denial was very much in vogue during Gore, if not more so than now. For as long as scientists have been talking about global warming and climate change, there have been mass disinformation campaigns to create "skeptics" and allies in the political sphere.

There's some article I had to read for a class that was interesting that scientists started off on the wrong foot by connecting climate change to environmentalism, which is traditionally a leftist/liberal issue which made it easier for oil companies to make it a political issue.

...I'm not sure how you can care about climate change without getting into environmentalism, actually.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:14 am

Kowani wrote:...I'm not sure how you can care about climate change without getting into environmentalism, actually.

Green conservatism a la Tolkien?

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:30 am

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Kowani wrote:...I'm not sure how you can care about climate change without getting into environmentalism, actually.

Green conservatism a la Tolkien?

Save the planet by going back to Feudalism. *nods*
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:32 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:The virgin W. Bush vs the chad Al Gore

W. Bush: "How the fuck do I read this CIA report on the Taliban planing on striking America?" "Time to invade Iraq! This definitely won't create a power vacuum in Iraq that will lead to the rise of a genocidal terrorist origination beacuse of the half assed way we rebuild Iraq when it's all said and done."

Al Gore: "Better do something about this Global Warming thing before some anti science people who see masks as Communism and vaccines are made of dead babys elect someone who will continue to fuck up the planet."


Climate Change denial was very much in vogue during Gore, if not more so than now. For as long as scientists have been talking about global warming and climate change, there have been mass disinformation campaigns to create "skeptics" and allies in the political sphere.

There's some article I had to read for a class that was interesting that scientists started off on the wrong foot by connecting climate change to environmentalism, which is traditionally a leftist/liberal issue which made it easier for oil companies to make it a political issue.


Environmentalism was a mainstream and popular issue until the 1960s. Hell, it was almost right-wing back in the day. People started turning against it when it stopped being about reduce, reuse, recycle and more about top-down social reform.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:37 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Climate Change denial was very much in vogue during Gore, if not more so than now. For as long as scientists have been talking about global warming and climate change, there have been mass disinformation campaigns to create "skeptics" and allies in the political sphere.

There's some article I had to read for a class that was interesting that scientists started off on the wrong foot by connecting climate change to environmentalism, which is traditionally a leftist/liberal issue which made it easier for oil companies to make it a political issue.


Environmentalism was mainstream and popular issues until the 1960s. Hell, it was almost right-wing back in the day. People started turning against it when it stopped being about reduce, reuse, recycle and more about top-down social reform.

Yeah because it turned out that the problem needed more than just catchy slogans, it's sad that this makes sense.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:38 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Climate Change denial was very much in vogue during Gore, if not more so than now. For as long as scientists have been talking about global warming and climate change, there have been mass disinformation campaigns to create "skeptics" and allies in the political sphere.

There's some article I had to read for a class that was interesting that scientists started off on the wrong foot by connecting climate change to environmentalism, which is traditionally a leftist/liberal issue which made it easier for oil companies to make it a political issue.


Environmentalism was mainstream and popular issues until the 1960s. Hell, it was almost right-wing back in the day. People started turning against it when it stopped being about reduce, reuse, recycle and more about top-down social reform.


Of course the 1960s was the time of the hippie movement, and those hippies were quite degenerate. But I don't exactly associate a strong state enforcing environmental regulations with a firm hand with hippiedom. Indeed, hippies were rather hostile towards government and authority figures.

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Postby Tombradyonia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:21 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Environmentalism was mainstream and popular issues until the 1960s. Hell, it was almost right-wing back in the day. People started turning against it when it stopped being about reduce, reuse, recycle and more about top-down social reform.


Of course the 1960s was the time of the hippie movement, and those hippies were quite degenerate. But I don't exactly associate a strong state enforcing environmental regulations with a firm hand with hippiedom. Indeed, hippies were rather hostile towards government and authority figures.


And conservatives were all about "Obey the government", "respect authority" and "keep weapons out of the hands of Black Panthers" (Reagan/NRA actively pursued such policies in California).
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:37 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Climate Change denial was very much in vogue during Gore, if not more so than now. For as long as scientists have been talking about global warming and climate change, there have been mass disinformation campaigns to create "skeptics" and allies in the political sphere.

There's some article I had to read for a class that was interesting that scientists started off on the wrong foot by connecting climate change to environmentalism, which is traditionally a leftist/liberal issue which made it easier for oil companies to make it a political issue.


Environmentalism was a mainstream and popular issue until the 1960s. Hell, it was almost right-wing back in the day. People started turning against it when it stopped being about reduce, reuse, recycle and more about top-down social reform.


Oh BS....It was never really embraced by right-wing. Unless of course you have evidence to back that claim up?

Top-Down social reform? If you mean trying to make the upper class more environmentally conscious? Sure.

It really started to fall apart when the upper classes saw it as an impediment to making vast amounts of money.....
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:38 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Environmentalism was a mainstream and popular issue until the 1960s. Hell, it was almost right-wing back in the day. People started turning against it when it stopped being about reduce, reuse, recycle and more about top-down social reform.


Oh BS....It was never really embraced by right-wing. Unless of course you have evidence to back that claim up?

Top-Down social reform? If you mean trying to make the upper class more environmentally conscious? Sure.

It really started to fall apart when the upper classes saw it as an impediment to making vast amounts of money.....


Imagine being so greedy that you make Captain Planet look realistic.
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Postby Tombradyonia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:20 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh BS....It was never really embraced by right-wing. Unless of course you have evidence to back that claim up?

Top-Down social reform? If you mean trying to make the upper class more environmentally conscious? Sure.

It really started to fall apart when the upper classes saw it as an impediment to making vast amounts of money.....


Imagine being so greedy that you make Captain Planet look realistic.


Not entirely sure who said this (sources differ) but I find this apt:
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Some of these billionaires (many but certainly not all right wing) really do seem to believe that every dollar has to be squeezed out of everything.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:23 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Canada is like America in an alternate universe where Al Gore won in 2000.

Canada is an actually good ally to have, unlike Western Europe, they hold up their end of the bargain and reciprocate the alliance as much as their capacity to do so is. Canadian Oil is one of the biggest reasons the US isn’t relying on Islamic Middle Eastern countries as much as we did 10 years ago.

But fuck Trudeau


We are loyal and we love our neighbors. Would be great if Trump stoped fucking us in the ass on trade deals.

Honestly besides the few dumb things he has said hes compliant PM. He didn't try to defund Heath Canada during a Pandemic, unlike Trump and the CDC.

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Valrifell wrote:
Climate Change denial was very much in vogue during Gore, if not more so than now. For as long as scientists have been talking about global warming and climate change, there have been mass disinformation campaigns to create "skeptics" and allies in the political sphere.

There's some article I had to read for a class that was interesting that scientists started off on the wrong foot by connecting climate change to environmentalism, which is traditionally a leftist/liberal issue which made it easier for oil companies to make it a political issue.


Environmentalism was a mainstream and popular issue until the 1960s. Hell, it was almost right-wing back in the day. People started turning against it when it stopped being about reduce, reuse, recycle and more about top-down social reform.


We need that reform tho.

Right now we have lobbyists controlling the government and misinformation campaigns from right wing people who clam that Global Warming will somehow be "helpful and profitable".

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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Environmentalism was a mainstream and popular issue until the 1960s. Hell, it was almost right-wing back in the day. People started turning against it when it stopped being about reduce, reuse, recycle and more about top-down social reform.


Oh BS....It was never really embraced by right-wing. Unless of course you have evidence to back that claim up?


Read up what the founders of the conservation movement in the US (Madison Grant and John Muir) had to say about many social issues
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Postby New haven america » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:51 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:The virgin W. Bush vs the chad Al Gore

W. Bush: "How the fuck do I read this CIA report on the Taliban planing on striking America?" "Time to invade Iraq! This definitely won't create a power vacuum in Iraq that will lead to the rise of a genocidal terrorist origination beacuse of the half assed way we rebuild Iraq when it's all said and done."

Al Gore: "Better do something about this Global Warming thing before some anti science people who see masks as Communism and vaccines are made of dead babys elect someone who will continue to fuck up the planet."


Climate Change denial was very much in vogue during Gore, if not more so than now. For as long as scientists have been talking about global warming and climate change, there have been mass disinformation campaigns to create "skeptics" and allies in the political sphere.

There's some article I had to read for a class that was interesting that scientists started off on the wrong foot by connecting climate change to environmentalism, which is traditionally a leftist/liberal issue which made it easier for oil companies to make it a political issue.

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are probably some of the most famous examples of people who didn't believe in Climate Change, and that was the inspiration for their Man-Bear-Pig episode of South Park.

Then they recanted ~15 years later and admitted that they fucked up and were wrong, then made an episode where Man-Bear-Pig was real threat that seriously fucked some shit up.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:52 pm

Tombradyonia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Imagine being so greedy that you make Captain Planet look realistic.


Not entirely sure who said this (sources differ) but I find this apt:
Your people are driven by a terrible sense of deficiency. When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can't eat money.


Some of these billionaires (many but certainly not all right wing) really do seem to believe that every dollar has to be squeezed out of everything.

That's because most rich people are hoarders, with money as their chosen item to hoard instead of other shit.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:53 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh BS....It was never really embraced by right-wing. Unless of course you have evidence to back that claim up?


Read up what the founders of the conservation movement in the US (Madison Grant and John Muir) had to say about many social issues


I have not read Madison Grant. I have read John Muir. Which point are you trying to make?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:05 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Read up what the founders of the conservation movement in the US (Madison Grant and John Muir) had to say about many social issues


I have not read Madison Grant. I have read John Muir. Which point are you trying to make?


They were right-wing nationalists.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:08 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
I have not read Madison Grant. I have read John Muir. Which point are you trying to make?


They were right-wing nationalists.


Ok. So you found a couple. Doesn’t really provide evidence to suggesting the right wing supported the concept.
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Postby Aureumterra » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:24 pm

So can we discuss what Trump might do in his second term now? :p

I guess Biden/Harris sounds okay at least
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:29 pm

Aureumterra wrote:So can we discuss what Trump might do in his second term now? :p

I guess Biden/Harris sounds okay at least

Probably defund Social Security or something
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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:30 pm

Aureumterra wrote:So can we discuss what Trump might do in his second term now? :p

I guess Biden/Harris sounds okay at least

Everyone always gets apoplectic around the VP pick, even though there limited evidence for it actually impacting the vote in a real way.

Was Harris the best choice? No.

Is she going to hand the election to Trump on a silver platter? No.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:30 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:So can we discuss what Trump might do in his second term now? :p

I guess Biden/Harris sounds okay at least

Probably defund Social Security or something

That's actually one of his campaign promises for his 2nd term, get rid of payroll tax.
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