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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:22 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
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So if we regulate the little guy suffers and if we don’t the big companies will treat them nice?

The point is that we shouldn't moralize economics excessively. The big companies can survive regulations that the small business cannot.


No regulations are not the answer. You say you want to turn it over to the companies and they will eat the little guys quick.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:23 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The point is that we shouldn't moralize economics excessively. The big companies can survive regulations that the small business cannot.


No regulations are not the answer. You say you want to turn it over to the companies and they will eat the little guys quick.

He obviously assumes he will be an owner of such a company.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:28 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The point is that we shouldn't moralize economics excessively. The big companies can survive regulations that the small business cannot.


No regulations are not the answer. You say you want to turn it over to the companies and they will eat the little guys quick.

If the Invisible Hand moves in that direction, so be it. I will not interfere.
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No regulations are not the answer. You say you want to turn it over to the companies and they will eat the little guys quick.

He obviously assumes he will be an owner of such a company.

Goodness, I don't have the personality to run a business. That's an extrovert's job, not mine.
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Northern Davincia wrote:I see nothing wrong with this.


That’s fine. We can establish departure taxes.

I will root for businesses to get creative in how they dodge it.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:34 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
No regulations are not the answer. You say you want to turn it over to the companies and they will eat the little guys quick.

If the Invisible Hand moves in that direction, so be it. I will not interfere.

Longing to live in Dickensian England or the Gilded Age I see.

Gormwood wrote:He obviously assumes he will be an owner of such a company.

Goodness, I don't have the personality to run a business. That's an extrovert's job, not mine.

Or a majority shareholder, some rationale for being pro laissez-faire with no obvious benefit for you doing so.

The Black Forrest wrote:That’s fine. We can establish departure taxes.
I will root for businesses to get creative in how they dodge it.

Rooting for Tax Evasion and Tax Fraud. Nice.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:37 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
No regulations are not the answer. You say you want to turn it over to the companies and they will eat the little guys quick.

If the Invisible Hand moves in that direction, so be it. I will not interfere.
Gormwood wrote:He obviously assumes he will be an owner of such a company.

Goodness, I don't have the personality to run a business. That's an extrovert's job, not mine.
The Black Forrest wrote:
That’s fine. We can establish departure taxes.

I will root for businesses to get creative in how they dodge it.


That’s ok. People who think like you are small in number. Your dream unfortunately will never happen.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:41 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:If the Invisible Hand moves in that direction, so be it. I will not interfere.

Longing to live in Dickensian England or the Gilded Age I see.

Goodness, I don't have the personality to run a business. That's an extrovert's job, not mine.

Or a majority shareholder, some rationale for being pro laissez-faire with no obvious benefit for you doing so.

I will root for businesses to get creative in how they dodge it.

Rooting for Tax Evasion and Tax Fraud. Nice.

People have a very wrong perception of the Gilded Age. I miss the old Titans of Industry. As for tax evasion/fraud, there is nothing wrong with it from a libertarian viewpoint.
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Northern Davincia wrote:If the Invisible Hand moves in that direction, so be it. I will not interfere.

Goodness, I don't have the personality to run a business. That's an extrovert's job, not mine.

I will root for businesses to get creative in how they dodge it.


That’s ok. People who think like you are small in number. Your dream unfortunately will never happen.

You say this with such certainty. I do not have to see my dream in my lifetime.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:43 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Longing to live in Dickensian England or the Gilded Age I see.


Or a majority shareholder, some rationale for being pro laissez-faire with no obvious benefit for you doing so.


Rooting for Tax Evasion and Tax Fraud. Nice.

People have a very wrong perception of the Gilded Age. I miss the old Titans of Industry. As for tax evasion/fraud, there is nothing wrong with it from a libertarian viewpoint.
The Black Forrest wrote:
That’s ok. People who think like you are small in number. Your dream unfortunately will never happen.

You say this with such certainty. I do not have to see my dream in my lifetime.


Ok. You will never see your dream of a completely free market.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:48 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:People have a very wrong perception of the Gilded Age. I miss the old Titans of Industry. As for tax evasion/fraud, there is nothing wrong with it from a libertarian viewpoint.

You say this with such certainty. I do not have to see my dream in my lifetime.


Ok. You will never see your dream of a completely free market.

And? Your argument does not dissuade communists in the present, and it did not sway early liberals or abolitionists.
Saying "you won't get what you want" changes absolutely nothing.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:51 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok. You will never see your dream of a completely free market.

And? Your argument does not dissuade communists in the present, and it did not sway early liberals or abolitionists.
Saying "you won't get what you want" changes absolutely nothing.


*shrugs* I am not the one trying to interject free market into every thread.

Besides. Unless you can tie this back to Trump; it’s kind of a tangent.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:53 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:People have a very wrong perception of the Gilded Age. I miss the old Titans of Industry. As for tax evasion/fraud, there is nothing wrong with it from a libertarian viewpoint.

You say this with such certainty. I do not have to see my dream in my lifetime.


Ok. You will never see your dream of a completely free market.

The only thing worse than people rooting for a disproportionate system that benefits them directly are people who do not benefit from a disproportionate system at all but still root for it anyways.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:56 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:And? Your argument does not dissuade communists in the present, and it did not sway early liberals or abolitionists.
Saying "you won't get what you want" changes absolutely nothing.


*shrugs* I am not the one trying to interject free market into every thread.

Besides. Unless you can tie this back to Trump; it’s kind of a tangent.

I strongly disagree with individuals who posit either Reagan or Trump as free-market icons when clearly they aren't.
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The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok. You will never see your dream of a completely free market.

The only thing worse than people rooting for a disproportionate system that benefits them directly are people who do not benefit from a disproportionate system at all but still root for it anyways.

Somehow rich people still aren't libertarians. I guess it doesn't benefit them after all.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:01 pm

I for one am totally for regularly reminding the noveau riches of their subordination to the nation.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:09 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:The only thing worse than people rooting for a disproportionate system that benefits them directly are people who do not benefit from a disproportionate system at all but still root for it anyways.

Somehow rich people still aren't libertarians. I guess it doesn't benefit them after all.

You must be one of those Temporarily Embarassed Millionaires I keep hearing about.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:12 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Somehow rich people still aren't libertarians. I guess it doesn't benefit them after all.

You must be one of those Temporarily Embarassed Millionaires I keep hearing about.

I'm sure you'll come up with an original jab someday.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:14 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:You must be one of those Temporarily Embarassed Millionaires I keep hearing about.

I'm sure you'll come up with an original jab someday.

You pushing for laissez-faire without being wealthy just gives off a strong Kanye vibe.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:27 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I'm sure you'll come up with an original jab someday.

You pushing for laissez-faire without being wealthy just gives off a strong Kanye vibe.

I have reason to admire Kanye, considering he is a self-made millionaire. I recognize that I do not need to be on top in order to push for what I think is the right way of doing things.
Most people who believe in presidential democracy will never be president. Isn't that amusing?
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Good, it was a fucking waste of tax payer dollars anyhow.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:07 am


"That nasty, nasty woman Mother Nature wants this country swarmed by millions and millions of illegals!" - Donald Trump
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:25 am

Maybe next time he can build an actual wall. Make it proper out of stone, Cover it in awesome statues, maybe some giant cannons for show. And big gates that leads to a tunnel covered with murals deifying the founding fathers leading into a courtyard with a McDonalds, a Starbucks, and a Gun store. With a small platform in the center where there are regularly scheduled debates to entertain/educate new arrivals on US issues.

That should be the standard entryway to America.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:29 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:Maybe next time he can build an actual wall. Make it proper out of stone, Cover it in awesome statues, maybe some giant cannons for show. And big gates that leads to a tunnel covered with murals deifying the founding fathers leading into a courtyard with a McDonalds, a Starbucks, and a Gun store. With a small platform in the center where there are regularly scheduled debates to entertain/educate new arrivals on US issues.

That should be the standard entryway to America.


Was the biggest objection to the wall not.that 90 percent of the illegal.immigrants does not enter the USA by crossing the border on land ?

So who would see the awesome entrance ?
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:30 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:Maybe next time he can build an actual wall. Make it proper out of stone, Cover it in awesome statues, maybe some giant cannons for show. And big gates that leads to a tunnel covered with murals deifying the founding fathers leading into a courtyard with a McDonalds, a Starbucks, and a Gun store. With a small platform in the center where there are regularly scheduled debates to entertain/educate new arrivals on US issues.

That should be the standard entryway to America.


Was the biggest objection to the wall not.that 90 percent of the illegal.immigrants does not enter the USA by crossing the border on land ?

So who would see the awesome entrance ?

Tourists from the Patriot Movement militias patrolling the borders for Dem Illeeguls.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:37 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:Maybe next time he can build an actual wall. Make it proper out of stone, Cover it in awesome statues, maybe some giant cannons for show. And big gates that leads to a tunnel covered with murals deifying the founding fathers leading into a courtyard with a McDonalds, a Starbucks, and a Gun store. With a small platform in the center where there are regularly scheduled debates to entertain/educate new arrivals on US issues.

That should be the standard entryway to America.


Was the biggest objection to the wall not.that 90 percent of the illegal.immigrants does not enter the USA by crossing the border on land ?

So who would see the awesome entrance ?


That was an objection yes. It was an incorrect Objection.

Also, everyone. We'd build more around Airports so that foreigners get the full experience.

It should be like a country sized Amusement Park Entrance.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:40 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Was the biggest objection to the wall not.that 90 percent of the illegal.immigrants does not enter the USA by crossing the border on land ?

So who would see the awesome entrance ?


That was an objection yes. It was an incorrect Objection.

Also, everyone. We'd build more around Airports so that foreigners get the full experience.

It should be like a country sized Amusement Park Entrance.


We should put a 3-meter concrete dome around the United States so we can finally be free of the blight of people being born in the Wrong PlaceTM

EDIT: On a serious note, incorrect objection?
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:46 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
That was an objection yes. It was an incorrect Objection.

Also, everyone. We'd build more around Airports so that foreigners get the full experience.

It should be like a country sized Amusement Park Entrance.


We should put a 3-meter concrete dome around the United States so we can finally be free of the blight of people being born in the Wrong PlaceTM


But if we did that, noone would ever see our gaudy tourist trap of a wall.
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