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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:01 am

So who or what exactly is this "radical left" Trump keeps claiming he will defeat ? The centrists ?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:10 am

The Alma Mater wrote:So who or what exactly is this "radical left" Trump keeps claiming he will defeat ? The centrists ?

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Postby Cameroi » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:15 am

The Alma Mater wrote:So who or what exactly is this "radical left" Trump keeps claiming he will defeat ? The centrists ?

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:30 am

The Alma Mater wrote:So who or what exactly is this "radical left" Trump keeps claiming he will defeat ? The centrists ?


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Postby New Bremerton » Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:32 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
We, referring to the forum as a whole. And I already did. But putting someone on ignore doesn't hide it when someone else quotes them.


What are you, forum royalty?

How dare you speak for me!

Also, "Strong Rhetoric"? Don't make me laugh.


New Bremerton's stuff is heavily tainted with propaganda terms. I suggest that's the best avenue of attack. Either rebut or ignore the emotive shit, and beneath that NB has some major contradictions in their political philosophy.

Dismissing it all as "bullshit" is a weak-ass kind of "debate" which just calls on others stronger and braver than yourself to come to your defence.

And I won't come to your defense. New Bremerton is strong, I'm going to hang back and plan my moves. You're on your own girl.


It's supremely ironic that she finds my posts so offensive. I've had her on ignore ever since my feud with her over the site's coronavirus misinformation rule. The feeling is mutual. Also, I'm not the strongest debater. Novus, NGR, Hirota, Liri, Iffy, and yours truly are way better IMHO. But Vass isn't the topic here.

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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:07 am

The whole developments have become long disconnected from the original cause, and hijacked by professional activist groups.

Mount Rushmore should be blown up?

Trump (or rather his speech writer) has a point when he says that this is morphing into a marxist cultural revolution aimed at the destruction of the United States and that children are teached to hate their country, amongst other things such as cancel culture etc.

It was good and necessary that those things were said because now finally the enemy has been clearly named.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:09 am

New Bremerton wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
What are you, forum royalty?

How dare you speak for me!



New Bremerton's stuff is heavily tainted with propaganda terms. I suggest that's the best avenue of attack. Either rebut or ignore the emotive shit, and beneath that NB has some major contradictions in their political philosophy.

Dismissing it all as "bullshit" is a weak-ass kind of "debate" which just calls on others stronger and braver than yourself to come to your defence.

And I won't come to your defense. New Bremerton is strong, I'm going to hang back and plan my moves. You're on your own girl.


It's supremely ironic that she finds my posts so offensive. I've had her on ignore ever since my feud with her over the site's coronavirus misinformation rule. The feeling is mutual. Also, I'm not the strongest debater. Novus, NGR, Hirota, Liri, Iffy, and yours truly are way better IMHO. But Vass isn't the topic here.


Nice. I suggest that you're giving your opponents an easy way out, when you post a short essay.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:09 am

Nakena wrote:The whole developments have become long disconnected from the original cause, and hijacked by professional activist groups.

Mount Rushmore should be blown up?

Trump (or rather his speech writer) has a point when he says that this is morphing into a marxist cultural revolution aimed at the destruction of the United States and that children are teached to hate their country, amongst other things such as cancel culture etc.

It was good and necessary that those things were said because now finally the enemy has been clearly named.


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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:13 am

Nakena wrote:Trump (or rather his speech writer) has a point when he says that this is morphing into a marxist cultural revolution aimed at the destruction of the United States and that children are teached to hate their country, amongst other things such as cancel culture etc.


You mean what spokespersons like Trevor Noah said weeks ago ?
Well. At least people are starting to somewhat listen.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:15 am

Nakena wrote:The whole developments have become long disconnected from the original cause, and hijacked by professional activist groups.


Professional implies they're doing it for money. So tell us who is being paid. Tell us who is paying them.


Mount Rushmore should be blown up?


I'm sure some lunatic on the internet has said that. Tell me who?

Trump (or rather his speech writer) has a point when he says that this is morphing into a marxist cultural revolution aimed at the destruction of the United States and that children are teached to hate their country, amongst other things such as cancel culture etc.


Well really. None of your buzzwords overcomes the impediment of using the Bushism "teached".

Sure, adults might be deluded about this or that. But stay away from the children.

It was good and necessary that those things were said because now finally the enemy has been clearly named.


"Cultural revolutionaries" is the lurid, propagandistic name you have chosen. But it is no more clear than a handful of shit thrown by a chimp.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:21 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Professional implies they're doing it for money. So tell us who is being paid. Tell us who is paying them.


No. Profession means that it is their main profession.

Theres various NGO's and such. Bussing people somewhere etc across the country requires organization and dedication and financial resources.

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:I'm sure some lunatic on the internet has said that. Tell me who?


USA Today.

usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/30/mount-rushmore-cheyenne-sioux-river-tribe-removal-harold-frazier/5350231002/

"Cultural revolutionaries" is the lurid, propagandistic name you have chosen. But it is no more clear than a handful of shit thrown by a chimp.


No its a clearly evident and emergent trend.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:22 am

Nakena wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Professional implies they're doing it for money. So tell us who is being paid. Tell us who is paying them.


No. Profession means that it is their main profession.

Theres various NGO's and such. Bussing people somewhere etc across the country requires organization and dedication and financial resources.

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:I'm sure some lunatic on the internet has said that. Tell me who?


USA Today.

usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/30/mount-rushmore-cheyenne-sioux-river-tribe-removal-harold-frazier/5350231002/

"Cultural revolutionaries" is the lurid, propagandistic name you have chosen. But it is no more clear than a handful of shit thrown by a chimp.


No its a clearly evident and emergent trend.


So it's "cultural revolution" for an indigenous nation to have a problem with Americans blowing the top off a sacred site to effectively vandalise it like that?
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:23 am

Vassenor wrote:-snip-


FYI: I have foelisted you months ago. So chances I reply to your posts are rather low. Just saying this here.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:30 am

Nakena wrote:USA Today.

usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/30/mount-rushmore-cheyenne-sioux-river-tribe-removal-harold-frazier/5350231002/


So the rightful owners want to undo the defacing (or "facing") of their sacred landmark ?
And the problem with this is.... ?
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:02 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Nakena wrote:USA Today.

usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/30/mount-rushmore-cheyenne-sioux-river-tribe-removal-harold-frazier/5350231002/


So the rightful owners want to undo the defacing (or "facing") of their sacred landmark ?
And the problem with this is.... ?


So you admit theres no problem with this from your perspective? Yes?

Respond to my telegram first. Before I am considering to respond further to you here or elsewhere and take a look at what you said here, the implications of it, the issues with it and the historical and cultural signficance of Mount Rushmore. Which go far beyond the US for specific reasons.

Because right now it feels like wasted effort.
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The Alma Mater wrote:
Nakena wrote:USA Today.

usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/30/mount-rushmore-cheyenne-sioux-river-tribe-removal-harold-frazier/5350231002/


So the rightful owners want to undo the defacing (or "facing") of their sacred landmark ?
And the problem with this is.... ?

Well for one thing it's not even on that tribes traditional territory, but that of the lakota sioux.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:16 am

Nakena wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
So the rightful owners want to undo the defacing (or "facing") of their sacred landmark ?
And the problem with this is.... ?


So you admit theres no problem with this from your perspective? Yes?

I have no problem with undoing the damage done by vandals, yes. Even if said work looks magnificent.
If Banksy defaces my front door tomorrow I would still be well in my right to paint over it.

Respond to my telegram first.

I do not use the telegram system. Questions can be asked in the open.
(also, I have no telegrams from you)

Before I am considering to respond further to you here or elsewhere and take a look at what you said here, the implications of it, the issues with it and the historical and cultural signficance of Mount Rushmore. Which go far beyond the US for specific reasons.


Then do so. Because educating people and making them think is always a good thing. Even if I were to utterly ignore it, there is always a chance someone else will read it.

So never let such considerations hold you back.

Aclion wrote:Well for one thing it's not even on that tribes traditional territory, but that of the lakota sioux.


That is a fair point. What is the opinion of the lokata sioux then ?
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:32 am

The Alma Mater wrote:I have no problem with undoing the damage done by vandals, yes. Even if said work looks magnificent.
If Banksy defaces my front door tomorrow I would still be well in my right to paint over it.


Fine. You consider the USA and western civilization to be vandals? I mean you could make an argument with it. I know you hate christianity. So I do. But for a different reason probably. But alas I am not a liberal or a communist. So how about you, what makes you consider them vandals?

I hope it isn't european snobbery upon those americans, i am also european partially you know. As most americans. Funny thing that. So I can claim right to snob and bitch. Highly and proudly. *insert some hitler or degaulle rant about speciality of EVROPA* blub blub

But hey, you gotta give me some more.

Respond to my telegram first.
I do not use the telegram system. Questions can be asked in the open.
(also, I have no telegrams from you)


49 Days ago. No less. So decide, either you dont use TG or dont want to or feel unconfortable.

I mean come, you got the University of Planet flag. I mean i know where this is from. What does it means to you? Do you believe in mankind yes? Because this is where it gets relevant in the next post.

Then do so. Because educating people and making them think is always a good thing. Even if I were to utterly ignore it, there is always a chance someone else will read it.

So never let such considerations hold you back.


Because Mount Rushmore is going to be there for a very long time unless its destroyed by other, potentially even lesser cultured vandals in the name of some outburst. Like countless other monuments and places in history of man have been destroyed in similiar fashion. Like the Buddha statues in Afghanistan.

Always wondered who those people were?

They are in the streets of America, on Twitter and being featured in USA Today.

Yes indeed the absolute today's state of the USA. No less

Do you would say "cancel culture" is a higher culture than, for all its flaws and issues, than the one that created Mount Rushmore?
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:43 am

Nakena wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Professional implies they're doing it for money. So tell us who is being paid. Tell us who is paying them.


No. Profession means that it is their main profession.

Theres various NGO's and such. Bussing people somewhere etc across the country requires organization and dedication and financial resources.


Yeah, no. If you really must classify "activists" then a more appropriate label would be "volunteers". They spend their time and effort for no pay, to advance a cause.

Wouldn't you describe yourself the same way? I would. Advancing a cause is my hobby, not my profession.


Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:I'm sure some lunatic on the internet has said that. Tell me who?


USA Today.

usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/30/mount-rushmore-cheyenne-sioux-river-tribe-removal-harold-frazier/5350231002/


Some Sioux called for it to blown up, and one threatened to do it with his own hands.

But you said BLM called for it, didn't you?

"Cultural revolutionaries" is the lurid, propagandistic name you have chosen. But it is no more clear than a handful of shit thrown by a chimp.


No its a clearly evident and emergent trend.


Yeah right. The Cultural Revolution was instigated by (the Chinese Communist) government, it obviously never exceeded the powers of the government to rein it in. The idea that an uprising happening now has the power of government behind it is absurd ... except to Deep State lunatics.

Are you one of them?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:47 am

The Alma Mater wrote:So who or what exactly is this "radical left" Trump keeps claiming he will defeat ? The centrists ?


I laugh when Trump calls Joe Biden a puppet of the radical left. I guess in Trump world, radical left means:

•Wants to cut social security
•Supports mandatory drug sentencing and tough on crime laws
•Bombing the middle east for its oil and to please Israel and Saudi Arabia
•Saying he knew some white supremacists and they were good guys, "they never called me boy."
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:47 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Nakena wrote:
So you admit theres no problem with this from your perspective? Yes?

I have no problem with undoing the damage done by vandals, yes. Even if said work looks magnificent.
If Banksy defaces my front door tomorrow I would still be well in my right to paint over it.


Within your rights, yes, and I acknowledge your point.

It would however be a foolish thing to do. Unhinge the door, install a new one, and keep the Banksy as an investment!
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:48 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Some Sioux called for it to blown up, and one threatened to do it with his own hands.

But you said BLM called for it, didn't you?


LOL. I didn even mentioned BLM.

And you know that. And you know that I know. ;^)


Yeah right. The Cultural Revolution was instigated by (the Chinese Communist) government, it obviously never exceeded the powers of the government to rein it in. The idea that an uprising happening now has the power of government behind it is absurd ... except to Deep State lunatics.

Are you one of them?


hahaha no. Trump said, culture wars, culture revolution. It doesnt means necessarily the chinese one by Mao. You know that. I am Nak. Not Bremerton. Theres different posters. And there is different cultural revolutions. Like the counterculture of the 1960s was one, or the reagan revolution. Maybe. But you get the idea. Its a general term ya know?
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Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Nakena wrote:
No. Profession means that it is their main profession.

Theres various NGO's and such. Bussing people somewhere etc across the country requires organization and dedication and financial resources.


Yeah, no. If you really must classify "activists" then a more appropriate label would be "volunteers". They spend their time and effort for no pay, to advance a cause.

Wouldn't you describe yourself the same way? I would. Advancing a cause is my hobby, not my profession.




USA Today.

usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/30/mount-rushmore-cheyenne-sioux-river-tribe-removal-harold-frazier/5350231002/


Some Sioux called for it to blown up, and one threatened to do it with his own hands.

But you said BLM called for it, didn't you?



No its a clearly evident and emergent trend.


Yeah right. The Cultural Revolution was instigated by (the Chinese Communist) government, it obviously never exceeded the powers of the government to rein it in. The idea that an uprising happening now has the power of government behind it is absurd ... except to Deep State lunatics.

Are you one of them?


People who are more scared of Antifa than they are of Trump, his crazy fanbase and our government in general got it all twisted. Antifa can break your windows while the government can send you to prison or worse for having the wrong ideas.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:50 am

Aclion wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
So the rightful owners want to undo the defacing (or "facing") of their sacred landmark ?
And the problem with this is.... ?

Well for one thing it's not even on that tribes traditional territory, but that of the lakota sioux.


The Cheyenne and Sioux have long been allies and share many similar culture heritage sites and religious beliefs. I'm pretty sure the Lakota aren't fond of Mount Rushmore either.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:51 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Yeah, no. If you really must classify "activists" then a more appropriate label would be "volunteers". They spend their time and effort for no pay, to advance a cause.

Wouldn't you describe yourself the same way? I would. Advancing a cause is my hobby, not my profession.



Some Sioux called for it to blown up, and one threatened to do it with his own hands.

But you said BLM called for it, didn't you?



Yeah right. The Cultural Revolution was instigated by (the Chinese Communist) government, it obviously never exceeded the powers of the government to rein it in. The idea that an uprising happening now has the power of government behind it is absurd ... except to Deep State lunatics.

Are you one of them?


People who are more scared of Antifa than they are of Trump, his crazy fanbase and our government in general got it all twisted. Antifa can break your windows while the government can send you to prison or worse for having the wrong ideas.

I mean... I don't see antifa beating/gassing/shooting innocent citizens in broad daylight do you?

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