MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Cannot think of a name]

Let the kids go.

The US government must release migrant children held in the country's three family detention centers by mid-July due to the coronavirus pandemic, a federal judge ruled Friday.

The ruling is part of an ongoing effort to release immigrants held in detention who are particularly susceptible to the coronavirus given the confined settings at facilities and the potential for spread.

In her order, Judge Dolly M. Gee of the US District Court for the Central District of California called for the swift removal of migrant children who are at one of the three family detention centers, which are run by Immigration and Customs Enforcement and located in Texas and Pennsylvania.

The children must be released with their parents or to "available suitable sponsors or other available COVID-free non-congregate settings" with the consent of their parents or guardians, Judge Gee said.

As of June 8, there were 124 children in ICE custody, according to the ruling. The ruling, which calls for children to be let go by July 17, applies to children who have resided at the three facilities for more than 20 days.

The efforts, Gee wrote, must be made with "deliberate speed."

He's still tweeting about the ACA and complaining that Biden isn't getting ripped for saying 'dead from Covid' instead of 'infected by Covid' during an appearance.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Russian is paying Islamic radicals bounties to kill American troops in Afghanistan. Trump has known about the russians targeting American troops for months and but has so far not even condemn Russia diplomatically.

NY Times article breaking the story:
Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.

Second non-paywalled source:

US intelligence officials assessed that Russia's military intelligence agency paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill NATO troops in Afghanistan — which include American forces, according to a New York Times report on Friday.

US officials discovered information about the bounties earlier this year. Some of the bounty money was collected by either Islamist militants or those associated with them, The Times reported.

In 2019, 17 US troops were killed in combat in Afghanistan, according to the Defense Department.

Is this treason? *thinking*

[Gravlen]

Russian is paying Islamic radicals bounties to kill American troops in Afghanistan. Trump has known about the russians targeting American troops for months and but has so far not even condemn Russia diplomatically.

NY Times article breaking the story:
Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.

Second non-paywalled source:

US intelligence officials assessed that Russia's military intelligence agency paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill NATO troops in Afghanistan — which include American forces, according to a New York Times report on Friday.

US officials discovered information about the bounties earlier this year. Some of the bounty money was collected by either Islamist militants or those associated with them, The Times reported.

In 2019, 17 US troops were killed in combat in Afghanistan, according to the Defense Department.

Is this treason? *thinking*

IN all seriousness, no. But it is yet another sign of failed leadership and subservience to Russia.

[Ifreann]

That reminds me, under Trump migrant detention centres are being disinfected so often that detainees are being seriously injured.

[Vassenor]

Russian is paying Islamic radicals bounties to kill American troops in Afghanistan. Trump has known about the russians targeting American troops for months and but has so far not even condemn Russia diplomatically.

NY Times article breaking the story:
Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.

Second non-paywalled source:

US intelligence officials assessed that Russia's military intelligence agency paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill NATO troops in Afghanistan — which include American forces, according to a New York Times report on Friday.

US officials discovered information about the bounties earlier this year. Some of the bounty money was collected by either Islamist militants or those associated with them, The Times reported.

In 2019, 17 US troops were killed in combat in Afghanistan, according to the Defense Department.

If you listen, you can hear the crickets from the Benghazi crowd.

[The Emerald Legion]

Russian is paying Islamic radicals bounties to kill American troops in Afghanistan. Trump has known about the russians targeting American troops for months and but has so far not even condemn Russia diplomatically.

NY Times article breaking the story:
Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.

Second non-paywalled source:

US intelligence officials assessed that Russia's military intelligence agency paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill NATO troops in Afghanistan — which include American forces, according to a New York Times report on Friday.

US officials discovered information about the bounties earlier this year. Some of the bounty money was collected by either Islamist militants or those associated with them, The Times reported.

In 2019, 17 US troops were killed in combat in Afghanistan, according to the Defense Department.

If you listen, you can hear the crickets from the Benghazi crowd.

.... Yes, because this is totally comparable to deliberately under-manning a facility. Shaking an angry finger at Russia is totally going to accomplish something.

[Ifreann]

If you listen, you can hear the crickets from the Benghazi crowd.

.... Yes, because this is totally comparable to deliberately under-manning a facility. Shaking an angry finger at Russia is totally going to accomplish something.

If the Commander In Chief won't even disapprove of Russians offering bounties on those under his command, what will that do to morale? How many people will volunteer to fight under a man who cares more about upsetting his friend Vladimir than about the lives of his soldiers?

[Vassenor]

If you listen, you can hear the crickets from the Benghazi crowd.

.... Yes, because this is totally comparable to deliberately under-manning a facility. Shaking an angry finger at Russia is totally going to accomplish something.

Inaction leading to the death of American service personnel is another case of IOKIYAR, it seems.

[The Emerald Legion]

.... Yes, because this is totally comparable to deliberately under-manning a facility. Shaking an angry finger at Russia is totally going to accomplish something.

Inaction leading to the death of American service personnel is another case of IOKIYAR, it seems.

Zooming out so far you can't tell the difference between two actions does not make those two actions the same.

In one, the State Department could directly do something.

In this, we could shake a finger at Russia, they make some words, and this continues as before. Nothing would actually change.

[Galloism]

Inaction leading to the death of American service personnel is another case of IOKIYAR, it seems.

Zooming out so far you can't tell the difference between two actions does not make those two actions the same.

In one, the State Department could directly do something.

In this, we could shake a finger at Russia, they make some words, and this continues as before. Nothing would actually change.

I mean, we probably could give up on using the military’s discretionary funds on the border wall and do the same back, then offer to stop if they stop.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Inaction leading to the death of American service personnel is another case of IOKIYAR, it seems.

Zooming out so far you can't tell the difference between two actions does not make those two actions the same.

In one, the State Department could directly do something.

In this, we could shake a finger at Russia, they make some words, and this continues as before. Nothing would actually change.

Better than doing absolutely nothing which will be seen as apathy towards our own troops.

[The Emerald Legion]

Zooming out so far you can't tell the difference between two actions does not make those two actions the same.

In one, the State Department could directly do something.

In this, we could shake a finger at Russia, they make some words, and this continues as before. Nothing would actually change.

I mean, we probably could give up on using the military’s discretionary funds on the border wall and do the same back, then offer to stop if they stop.

.... Honestly not a bad idea.

[The Emerald Legion]

Zooming out so far you can't tell the difference between two actions does not make those two actions the same.

In one, the State Department could directly do something.

In this, we could shake a finger at Russia, they make some words, and this continues as before. Nothing would actually change.

Better than doing absolutely nothing which will be seen as apathy towards our own troops.

To be fair, it would be better if the media wasn't blasting the information out TO the troops.

[Ifreann]

Better than doing absolutely nothing which will be seen as apathy towards our own troops.

To be fair, it would be better if the media wasn't blasting the information out TO the troops.

Can't have the troops knowing they're in danger.

[Zapato]

Zooming out so far you can't tell the difference between two actions does not make those two actions the same.

In one, the State Department could directly do something.

In this, we could shake a finger at Russia, they make some words, and this continues as before. Nothing would actually change.

Better than doing absolutely nothing which will be seen as apathy towards our own troops.

As Trump recently said: “if our people are threatened, we will never ever hesitate to act.”

And he didn’t hesitate, he invited Russia back into the G7. That’s doing.... something....

[Outer Sparta]

Russian is paying Islamic radicals bounties to kill American troops in Afghanistan. Trump has known about the russians targeting American troops for months and but has so far not even condemn Russia diplomatically.

NY Times article breaking the story:
Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.

Second non-paywalled source:

US intelligence officials assessed that Russia's military intelligence agency paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill NATO troops in Afghanistan — which include American forces, according to a New York Times report on Friday.

US officials discovered information about the bounties earlier this year. Some of the bounty money was collected by either Islamist militants or those associated with them, The Times reported.

In 2019, 17 US troops were killed in combat in Afghanistan, according to the Defense Department.

Couldn't they at the very least pull troops out of there? Or just simply not have Russia be readmitted into the G7?

[Northern Davincia]

Do you honestly believe America's place in the world is contingent on babysitting a desert and spilling American blood for locals that will turn against us in ten years?

Not just America, but the western world as a whole.

That is deranged logic. The people of the Middle East have no desire for US interference, and the local body count is far too great to ever justify.
If the Russians or Europeans want to embroil themselves in a conflict with no end, be my guest. I simply wish for Americans to stay out of it.

[Galloism]

Not just America, but the western world as a whole.

That is deranged logic. The people of the Middle East have no desire for US interference, and the local body count is far too great to ever justify.
If the Russians or Europeans want to embroil themselves in a conflict with no end, be my guest. I simply wish for Americans to stay out of it.

This is actually all the more reason to pursue green energy as public policy. Then the Middle East won’t be near so important to the rest of the world and be meddled with all the time.

[Valrifell]

That is deranged logic. The people of the Middle East have no desire for US interference, and the local body count is far too great to ever justify.
If the Russians or Europeans want to embroil themselves in a conflict with no end, be my guest. I simply wish for Americans to stay out of it.

This is actually all the more reason to pursue green energy as public policy. Then the Middle East won’t be near so important to the rest of the world and be meddled with all the time.

The US is already a huge oil producer in its own right, though, and what it does import is from the Western hemisphere (because it's cheaper).

[Galloism]

This is actually all the more reason to pursue green energy as public policy. Then the Middle East won’t be near so important to the rest of the world and be meddled with all the time.

The US is already a huge oil producer in its own right, though, and what it does import is from the Western hemisphere (because it's cheaper).

Exactly, but Europe still relies on middle eastern oil, and we rely on Europe for trade.

If we didn’t need oil (hyperbolically, of course - what I mean is much less) we could supply Europe and our allies in East Asia, and they wouldn’t need the middle eastern oil anymore.

[Valrifell]

The US is already a huge oil producer in its own right, though, and what it does import is from the Western hemisphere (because it's cheaper).

Exactly, but Europe still relies on middle eastern oil, and we rely on Europe for trade.

If we didn’t need oil (hyperbolically, of course - what I mean is much less) we could supply Europe and our allies in East Asia, and they wouldn’t need the middle eastern oil anymore.

The problem is either we'd have to make American oil producers sell it at something close to a loss (or an outright loss), since the cost of shipping would make Russia or the Middle East a cheaper alternative because of the lack of boats that would be involved.

If we're going to invest in green anyway then it would make more sense to try and make other nation's green, too.

[Galloism]

Exactly, but Europe still relies on middle eastern oil, and we rely on Europe for trade.

If we didn’t need oil (hyperbolically, of course - what I mean is much less) we could supply Europe and our allies in East Asia, and they wouldn’t need the middle eastern oil anymore.

The problem is either we'd have to make American oil producers sell it at something close to a loss (or an outright loss), since the cost of shipping would make Russia or the Middle East a cheaper alternative because of the lack of boats that would be involved.

If we're going to invest in green anyway then it would make more sense to try and make other nation's green, too.

A fantastic idea.

[Northern Davincia]

Nuclear energy will save lives is what I am gathering here.

[Valrifell]

Nuclear energy will save lives is what I am gathering here.

Also wind and thermal and solar.

Musn't be single-minded and picky when it comes to alternatives.

[Tombradyonia]

Inaction leading to the death of American service personnel is another case of IOKIYAR, it seems.

Zooming out so far you can't tell the difference between two actions does not make those two actions the same.

In one, the State Department could directly do something.

In this, we could shake a finger at Russia, they make some words, and this continues as before. Nothing would actually change.

Reagan could have pulled out the Beirut personnel, but he decided to ignore the threat and got 250+ of them killed.

GOP response: wag the dog vs mighty Grenada. And stating they thought it would be unfair to investigate the whole thing.