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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:25 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:It has potential.

Has less than 100 personnel, tiny budget and has the exact same function and duties as the US Air Force Space Command did. So why did this need to be a separate branch again?

Not to mention ripping off its logo from Star Trek like a Chinese company, and was probably sparked by Trump binge-watching a Stargate SG-1 marathon one night.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:27 pm

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Has less than 100 personnel, tiny budget and has the exact same function and duties as the US Air Force Space Command did. So why did this need to be a separate branch again?

Not to mention ripping off its logo from Star Trek like a Chinese company, and was probably sparked by Trump binge-watching a Stargate SG-1 marathon one night.


And "space command" sounds too similar to "star command."

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:32 pm

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Has less than 100 personnel, tiny budget and has the exact same function and duties as the US Air Force Space Command did. So why did this need to be a separate branch again?


Trump thought it sounded cool. That isn't a joke, this was what initially led to the space force being created.

I'd rather we unite as a species and form the IRL Starfleet or at the very least the Systems Alliance than have this ego stroking of a farce.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:35 pm

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Rojava Free State wrote:
Trump thought it sounded cool. That isn't a joke, this was what initially led to the space force being created.

I'd rather we unite as a species and form the IRL Starfleet or at the very least the Systems Alliance than have this ego stroking of a farce.

The Federation is also a post-scarcity economy so the look on all the libertarians and ancaps' faces would be worth it.
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Postby Crockerland » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:44 pm

Fahran wrote:The simple solution to Trump is to vote him out of office and to steal away the support bases that allowed him to get into office by addressing their concrete concerns and grievances. Defacing statues, declaring communes, and acting like bratty children, if anything, empowers Trump by ensuring that his supporters in those areas aren't going to vote for the people who keep proclaiming that they want to destroy things they value - like the Founding of America.

This is true and insightful.

Unfortunately for them, the Democrats as a party seem to be incapable of introspection. If the last four years are any indication, they will not acknowledge their wrongdoing or faults and seek to improve them, but instead lash out and blame others. That's the intent they've shown by creating conspiracy theories of "Russian Bots" and Collusion, calling voters racists because Democrat candidates failed to earn their votes, trying to impeach the president to avoid facing him in another election, etc.
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:45 pm

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Fahran wrote:The simple solution to Trump is to vote him out of office and to steal away the support bases that allowed him to get into office by addressing their concrete concerns and grievances. Defacing statues, declaring communes, and acting like bratty children, if anything, empowers Trump by ensuring that his supporters in those areas aren't going to vote for the people who keep proclaiming that they want to destroy things they value - like the Founding of America.

This is true and insightful.

Unfortunately for them, the Democrats as a party seem to be incapable of introspection. If the last four years are any indication, they will not acknowledge their wrongdoing or faults and seek to improve them, but instead lash out and blame others. That's the intent they've shown by creating conspiracy theories of "Russian Bots" and Collusion, calling voters racists because Democrat candidates failed to earn their votes, trying to impeach the president to avoid facing him in another election, etc.


You know, I can't even remember the last time Russian collusion made headlines (well, I do, it simmered a bit as of early December with the impeachment trial). In fact, the only one I see talking about it with any regularity is you.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:10 pm


What's the point that you're trying to get at here?
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:22 pm

Proctopeo wrote:

What's the point that you're trying to get at here?

So you don't mind the Trump administration acting like China and punishing anyone who shatters the fantasy that coronavirus was under control.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:23 pm

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Proctopeo wrote:What's the point that you're trying to get at here?

So you don't mind the Trump administration acting like China and punishing anyone who shatters the fantasy that coronavirus was under control.

Oh, that's the point you were trying to get at. I see.
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Postby Rusozak » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:32 pm

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Has less than 100 personnel, tiny budget and has the exact same function and duties as the US Air Force Space Command did. So why did this need to be a separate branch again?

Not to mention ripping off its logo from Star Trek like a Chinese company, and was probably sparked by Trump binge-watching a Stargate SG-1 marathon one night.


Actually, The logo comes from the Air Force Space Command that preceded it, so you can blame any similarities on the Reagan administration. As for motive, he just wants to put his name on as many things as possible. Be it ugly skyscrapers or historical events.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:35 pm

"I believe if there is ever a time to ask for help it is now regardless of the impact on my career," Crozier wrote in his email, the contents of which a US official directly familiar with the message confirmed to CNN.

The email was addressed to Crozier's immediate superior Baker and several other senior Navy officials in the region.

The investigation did not fault Crozier for sending the email and attached memo but faulted him for not having all the facts in hand, leaving off people that needed to see it, and not warning Baker in advance that he was sending It.


Apparently sending email to an Admiral on the same ship isn't reliable enough to be done without warning/confirmation by some other means. Or the Admiral doesn't know how to work email ...
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:44 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
"I believe if there is ever a time to ask for help it is now regardless of the impact on my career," Crozier wrote in his email, the contents of which a US official directly familiar with the message confirmed to CNN.

The email was addressed to Crozier's immediate superior Baker and several other senior Navy officials in the region.

The investigation did not fault Crozier for sending the email and attached memo but faulted him for not having all the facts in hand, leaving off people that needed to see it, and not warning Baker in advance that he was sending It.


Apparently sending email to an Admiral on the same ship isn't reliable enough to be done without warning/confirmation by some other means. Or the Admiral doesn't know how to work email ...

It's about avoiding the Baby Tantrum of Trump and the resulting dismissals.
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Postby Centai Mal » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:52 pm

“Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.”

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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:55 pm


Probably doing it as a favor for one of his strongman idols.
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Postby Fahran » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:02 pm

Cisairse wrote:Again, there is no "core group" of antifa.

There's no "core group" of the KKK or white supremacy either. That doesn't mean that organization is completely absent, that violence is completely unrelated to the self-ascribed label, or that we cannot infiltrate the means by which individuals purpoting to be Antifa organize themselves. You don't get functional riot and mob tactics without some level of structure. It's patent nonsense that this just occurs spontaneously.

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Postby Fahran » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:05 pm


I'm aware of Steve Miller. He doesn't really change the fact that a lot of the other officials are simply more crooked versions of what we would have had under any other neocon president. White nationalism is definitely a threat and Trump's administration is adjacent to and influenced by white nationalist ideologues but they're not the driving force behind much of his domestic policies and the solution to Trump himself is to apply political pressure to obtain concessions on key issues or to vote him out of office, not to LARP as revolutionaries.

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Postby Fahran » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:08 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Just like Hispanic, Jewish, Black, Slavic, Asian, Gay and physically and mentally handicapped Nazis.

Gay men have almost always occupied some role at the inception of fascist movements. The SA LARPed as the Sacred Band of Thebes half the time. There were plenty of Jewish fascists as well, especially in Italy. There's a decent and growing number of Hispanic white nationalists at the moment and Russia has a serious problem with Neo-Nazis as well. So meh.

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Postby Centai Mal » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:18 pm

Gormwood wrote:

Probably doing it as a favor for one of his strongman idols.

The new CEO of Voice of America literally has a documentary called “Campus Culture Wars: Five Stories About Political Correctness” where he whines about how the really oppressed people are Christians and how campuses are too gay-friendly
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:55 pm

Centai Mal wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Probably doing it as a favor for one of his strongman idols.

The new CEO of Voice of America literally has a documentary called “Campus Culture Wars: Five Stories About Political Correctness” where he whines about how the really oppressed people are Christians and how campuses are too gay-friendly

So he wants to remake it into The Voice of Gilead. Lovely.
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Postby Centai Mal » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:56 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Centai Mal wrote:The new CEO of Voice of America literally has a documentary called “Campus Culture Wars: Five Stories About Political Correctness” where he whines about how the really oppressed people are Christians and how campuses are too gay-friendly

So he wants to remake it into The Voice of Gilead. Lovely.

But no, we’re not dangerously creeping towards behavior that looks suspiciously like Nazi Germany. Noooooo
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Postby Tirmon » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:00 pm


I mean, American Propaganda stations should be shut down instead of US government revenue being spent on spreading baseless lies about China and other nations.
So, whatever, they should be abolished if anything. And they're already politicised..
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:01 pm

Tirmon wrote:

I mean, American Propaganda stations should be shut down instead of US government revenue being spent on spreading baseless lies about China and other nations.
So, whatever, they should be abolished if anything. And they're already politicised..


People call it propaganda but I've never heard it so I don't know.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:04 pm

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Tirmon wrote:I mean, American Propaganda stations should be shut down instead of US government revenue being spent on spreading baseless lies about China and other nations.
So, whatever, they should be abolished if anything. And they're already politicised..


People call it propaganda but I've never heard it so I don't know.

Delivering world news to the people living in countries where information is strictly controlled is now propaganda.
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Postby Tirmon » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:05 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Tirmon wrote:I mean, American Propaganda stations should be shut down instead of US government revenue being spent on spreading baseless lies about China and other nations.
So, whatever, they should be abolished if anything. And they're already politicised..


People call it propaganda but I've never heard it so I don't know.

I guess specifically regarding Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe and Middle East Broadcasting, they're used to spread US influence and propaganda and cause dissent in adversaries. Can't really speak on the others since I know little about them.
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