MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Vassenor]

So you disagree with opposing Fascism?

So you disagree with opposing communism?

So explain to me what is actually bad about classless society if you think opposing it is a moral imperative.

[Juristonia]

This seems fitting.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

What about people who like to punch communists in the face?

Nice whataboutism there, I guess we can toss it in the trash with your other garbage arguments.

So is opposition to unchecked capitalism.

Communism is fundamentally immoral, and rooted in oppression and violence, and it cannot be separated from such.

Therefore, violence against communists is justified because it is fighting oppression.

This is the exact language you people use against anyone you deem "fascist". Although communism's blood-soaked kill count and inherent oppression indicates that violence against communists is more justified than violence against followers of any other ideology.

Decry’s authoritarian communism’s “blood-soaked kill count and inherent oppression” as justification for violence against communists yet conveniently ignores the fact that fascism directly caused the deadliest conflict in human history and genocided millions and that many adherents of it and it’s different strains to this day still openly advocate for totalitarian oppression of political enemies and genocide or deportation of many millions of racial, sexual and religious minorities could just as easily justify violence against fascists, possibly moreso than communism since fascism is inherently more oppressive of an ideology than communism is.

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandras ... ite-house/

I remember reading in one tell all book from a former white house official that Trump is jealous of Barron for being taller than him and I saw a recent photo of him and all I can say is well damn.

Keep in mind, objects that are farther away from the viewer should appear smaller than closer objects, so when the farther away object still looks larger...

[Nobel Hobos 2]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/06/17/teens-on-tiktok-are-trying-to-save-barron-trump-from-the-white-house/

I remember reading in one tell all book from a former white house official that Trump is jealous of Barron for being taller than him and I saw a recent photo of him and all I can say is well damn.

Keep in mind, objects that are farther away from the viewer should appear smaller than closer objects, so when the farther away object still looks larger...

Barron is taller, but the perspective effect is lessened by a telephoto lens. It think a telephoto was used because objects in the far distance are only a bit out of focus.

14, he'll grow some more too.

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/06/17/teens-on-tiktok-are-trying-to-save-barron-trump-from-the-white-house/

I remember reading in one tell all book from a former white house official that Trump is jealous of Barron for being taller than him and I saw a recent photo of him and all I can say is well damn.

Keep in mind, objects that are farther away from the viewer should appear smaller than closer objects, so when the farther away object still looks larger...

Barron is taller, but the perspective effect is lessened by a telephoto lens. It think a telephoto was used because objects in the far distance are only a bit out of focus.

14, he'll grow some more too.

Barron is like those teenage protagonists you see from Japanese animes who are like 17 and are ripped as hell and stand well over six feet tall. They're saying free Barron but if he keeps growing, he'll probably just be like "you know what dad? I'm done, fuck this place," before kicking the door to the Whitehouse down and walking out. And when Trump says "stop him," the secret service will just stand there. Honestly whose genes made him that tall, Melania or Trump's?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Barron is taller, but the perspective effect is lessened by a telephoto lens. It think a telephoto was used because objects in the far distance are only a bit out of focus.

14, he'll grow some more too.

Barron is like those teenage protagonists you see from Japanese animes who are like 17 and are ripped as hell and stand well over six feet tall. They're saying free Barron but if he keeps growing, he'll probably just be like "you know what dad? I'm done, fuck this place," before kicking the door to the Whitehouse down and walking out. And when Trump says "stop him," the secret service will just stand there. Honestly whose genes made him that tall, Melania or Trump's?

Melania is quite tall for a woman, I guess it's mainly from her side.

[The Emerald Legion]

Right, but they're totally not communists right?

Some are. Some are anarchists. Some just like to punch nazis in the face.

But let us be fair - the most efficient resistance to facism was offered by the violent communists. It makes sense to be inspired by the best.

I would say the most efficient resistance to fascism was offered by the USA. Y'know that whole invasion thing? Meanwhile, The communists cut deals with Hitler to carve up Poland.

Decry’s authoritarian communism’s “blood-soaked kill count and inherent oppression” as justification for violence against communists yet conveniently ignores the fact that fascism directly caused the deadliest conflict in human history and genocided millions and that many adherents of it and it’s different strains to this day still openly advocate for totalitarian oppression of political enemies and genocide or deportation of many millions of racial, sexual and religious minorities could just as easily justify violence against fascists, possibly moreso than communism since fascism is inherently more oppressive of an ideology than communism is.

... No it's not. At all. And that's the terrifying thing. That's what worries me.

Communism and Fascism are equally terrible ideas. But one is in the gutter, adhered to only by a few dregs of society while the other is increasingly given center stage.

Every attempted communist society in history has descended into despotism and Tyranny. Every single one.

And? Communism has cost millions more lives had it's own genocides both intentional and unintentional.

Communism is inherently evil. And those who adhere to it are at best misguided, and at worst evil.

[Ifreann]

Oh, I don't think there's anything dog-whistly about it. Trump has never tried to be subtle about his fascist leanings before, so why would he start now?

Honestly, I don't think he even knows what fascism is or cares. But he knows what will win over certain far right groups. However, officially saying he's on their side would end his career. I think there's a lot more Trump supporters giving him benefit of the doubt thinking it was misinterpreted or fake news than there are those that actually approve of such things.

Supposedly he keeps, or kept, a book of Hitler's speeches beside the bed.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Honestly, I don't think he even knows what fascism is or cares. But he knows what will win over certain far right groups. However, officially saying he's on their side would end his career. I think there's a lot more Trump supporters giving him benefit of the doubt thinking it was misinterpreted or fake news than there are those that actually approve of such things.

Supposedly he keeps, or kept, a book of Hitler's speeches beside the bed.

If Bolton's right Donald is fine with chucking people in concentration camps because of the lolz. Which is kinda alarming for a US president.

[Rojava Free State]

Some are. Some are anarchists. Some just like to punch nazis in the face.

But let us be fair - the most efficient resistance to facism was offered by the violent communists. It makes sense to be inspired by the best.

I would say the most efficient resistance to fascism was offered by the USA. Y'know that whole invasion thing? Meanwhile, The communists cut deals with Hitler to carve up Poland.

Decry’s authoritarian communism’s “blood-soaked kill count and inherent oppression” as justification for violence against communists yet conveniently ignores the fact that fascism directly caused the deadliest conflict in human history and genocided millions and that many adherents of it and it’s different strains to this day still openly advocate for totalitarian oppression of political enemies and genocide or deportation of many millions of racial, sexual and religious minorities could just as easily justify violence against fascists, possibly moreso than communism since fascism is inherently more oppressive of an ideology than communism is.

... No it's not. At all. And that's the terrifying thing. That's what worries me.

Communism and Fascism are equally terrible ideas. But one is in the gutter, adhered to only by a few dregs of society while the other is increasingly given center stage.

Every attempted communist society in history has descended into despotism and Tyranny. Every single one.

And? Communism has cost millions more lives had it's own genocides both intentional and unintentional.

Communism is inherently evil. And those who adhere to it are at best misguided, and at worst evil.

Fascism is definitely not just relegated to the gutter and is imo experiencing as much of an uptick in support as communism is.

[The Emerald Legion]

I would say the most efficient resistance to fascism was offered by the USA. Y'know that whole invasion thing? Meanwhile, The communists cut deals with Hitler to carve up Poland.



... No it's not. At all. And that's the terrifying thing. That's what worries me.

Communism and Fascism are equally terrible ideas. But one is in the gutter, adhered to only by a few dregs of society while the other is increasingly given center stage.

Every attempted communist society in history has descended into despotism and Tyranny. Every single one.

And? Communism has cost millions more lives had it's own genocides both intentional and unintentional.

Communism is inherently evil. And those who adhere to it are at best misguided, and at worst evil.

Fascism is definitely not just relegated to the gutter and is imo experiencing as much of an uptick in support as communism is.

It's seriously not.

[Gormwood]

Decry’s authoritarian communism’s “blood-soaked kill count and inherent oppression” as justification for violence against communists yet conveniently ignores the fact that fascism directly caused the deadliest conflict in human history and genocided millions and that many adherents of it and it’s different strains to this day still openly advocate for totalitarian oppression of political enemies and genocide or deportation of many millions of racial, sexual and religious minorities could just as easily justify violence against fascists, possibly moreso than communism since fascism is inherently more oppressive of an ideology than communism is.

... No it's not. At all. And that's the terrifying thing. That's what worries me.

Communism and Fascism are equally terrible ideas. But one is in the gutter, adhered to only by a few dregs of society while the other is increasingly given center stage.

Every attempted communist society in history has descended into despotism and Tyranny. Every single one.

And? Communism has cost millions more lives had it's own genocides both intentional and unintentional.

Communism is inherently evil. And those who adhere to it are at best misguided, and at worst evil.

So that makes hippy communes and Israeli kibbutzes inherently evil. Can't have communism without communes. It also says a lot about you that you consider a political theory born from the frustration of class disparity not too different from today "inherently evil".

[Jack Thomas Lang]

So that makes hippy communes and Israeli kibbutzes inherently evil. Can't have communism without communes. It also says a lot about you that you consider a political theory born from the frustration of class disparity not too different from today "inherently evil".

Commune=/=Communism

[Ifreann]

Fascism is definitely not just relegated to the gutter and is imo experiencing as much of an uptick in support as communism is.

It's seriously not.

Any ideas why the Trump campaign included an inverted red triangle with their now-deleted Facebook posts, if not as a reference to the Nazis?

[Tirmon]

Every attempted communist society in history has descended into despotism and Tyranny. Every single one.

The Paris Commune?
The Free Territory of Ukraine?
The Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal?
Revolutionary Catalonia?
The Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (Rojava)?
The People's Revolutionary Government of Granada?
The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia?

More to Socialism than just the USSR and China. And of course, the crimes of these nations are greatly exaggerated upon by the CIA, but nonetheless, there are plenty of examples of states that didnt "descend into despotism and tyranny".

[Jack Thomas Lang]

The Paris Commune?
The Free Territory of Ukraine?
The Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal?
Revolutionary Catalonia?
The Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (Rojava)?
The People's Revolutionary Government of Granada?
The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia?

More to Socialism than just the USSR and China. And of course, the crimes of these nations are greatly exaggerated upon by the CIA, but nonetheless, there are plenty of examples of states that didnt "descend into despotism and tyranny".

Lol, so many "good" examples. Both the Free Territory and Revolutionary Catalonia applied repression and tyranny against "undesirables" (Makhno against the Mennonites, Catalonia against priests and nuns, among others). Yugoslavia descended into civil war and genocide not long after Tito.

[Myrensis]

It's seriously not.

Any ideas why the Trump campaign included an inverted red triangle with their now-deleted Facebook posts, if not as a reference to the Nazis?

It's super simple, don't you see? It's just pure coincidence that they chose an inverted red triangle, on top of pure coincidence that they bought exactly 88 ads, on top of pure coincidence that they randomly hyphenated 'far-left' to make the first line 14 words.

Clearly probability itself is part of the deep state conspiracy to unfairly frame them as white nationalists.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's seriously not.

Any ideas why the Trump campaign included an inverted red triangle with their now-deleted Facebook posts, if not as a reference to the Nazis?

Have antifa groups ever used it as a symbol themselves? They like to associate themselves with the wartime resistance movements. If the people seeking to outlaw it had picked it up as a symbol in circulation that would be the most innocent explanation.

[Tirmon]

The Paris Commune?
The Free Territory of Ukraine?
The Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal?
Revolutionary Catalonia?
The Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (Rojava)?
The People's Revolutionary Government of Granada?
The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia?

More to Socialism than just the USSR and China. And of course, the crimes of these nations are greatly exaggerated upon by the CIA, but nonetheless, there are plenty of examples of states that didnt "descend into despotism and tyranny".

Lol, so many "good" examples. Both the Free Territory and Revolutionary Catalonia applied repression and tyranny against "undesirables" (Makhno against the Mennonites, Catalonia against priests and nuns, among others). Yugoslavia descended into civil war and genocide not long after Tito.

Interesting, I had some idea about the Catalan repression of the Catholic Church but I'd never heard of the Ukrainian crimes against the Mennonites.
As far as Yugoslavia, the cause of the civil war and genocide was, right-wing nationalism, so I hardly think it can be counted as a crime/failure of socialism.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Yugoslavia descended into civil war and genocide not long after Tito.

That the artificial creation known as Yugoslavia collapsed into civil war and genocide not long after Tito died, releasing the pressure he kept on the religious fanatics and ethnonationalists is no fault of Tito really. Rather it's the fault of the Western powers permitting the creation of Yugoslavia under the stewardship of the Serb nationalists in the first place.

[The Emerald Legion]

Every attempted communist society in history has descended into despotism and Tyranny. Every single one.

The Paris Commune?
The Free Territory of Ukraine?
The Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal?
Revolutionary Catalonia?
The Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (Rojava)?
The People's Revolutionary Government of Granada?
The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia?

More to Socialism than just the USSR and China. And of course, the crimes of these nations are greatly exaggerated upon by the CIA, but nonetheless, there are plenty of examples of states that didnt "descend into despotism and tyranny".

Existed for three months before crumbling. A failed state.
Killed by other communists, also a failed state.
Is a Chinese puppet and only recently embraced communism in 2006.
It's interesting how many of your examples are these temporary little pooling points. Where order has broken down due to war and communists rush in to fill the void up until an actual government removes them.
Granada suspended elections and ruled as a dictatorship, until the USA liberated them.
Yes, Yugoslavia enjoyed communism so much that it's the only modern nation to revert to Monarchy.

[Ifreann]

Any ideas why the Trump campaign included an inverted red triangle with their now-deleted Facebook posts, if not as a reference to the Nazis?

Have antifa groups ever used it as a symbol themselves? They like to associate themselves with the wartime resistance movements. If the people seeking to outlaw it had picked it up as a symbol in circulation that would be the most innocent explanation.

Well if they were trying to include an antifa symbol with their anti-antifa posts then you'd think they'd go for the more common black and red flags symbol. But even that's kind of weird, isn't it? Like, if this had been posts about the spectre of communism, would they have included a hammer and sickle image, unmodified and uncommented upon?

[Tirmon]

The Paris Commune?
The Free Territory of Ukraine?
The Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal?
Revolutionary Catalonia?
The Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (Rojava)?
The People's Revolutionary Government of Granada?
The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia?

More to Socialism than just the USSR and China. And of course, the crimes of these nations are greatly exaggerated upon by the CIA, but nonetheless, there are plenty of examples of states that didnt "descend into despotism and tyranny".

Existed for three months before crumbling. A failed state.
Killed by other communists, also a failed state.
Is a Chinese puppet and only recently embraced communism in 2006.
It's interesting how many of your examples are these temporary little pooling points. Where order has broken down due to war and communists rush in to fill the void up until an actual government removes them. If you wanna debate another topic sure, but I addressed the one you stated.

Granada suspended elections and ruled as a dictatorship, until the USA liberated them.
Yes, Yugoslavia enjoyed communism so much that it's the only modern nation to revert to Monarchy.

That wasn't what you claimed though. You claimed every communist nation descended into nepotism and tyranny.
Nepal embraced Communism in 2006, sure.. That was.. 14 years ago. That's, quite a long time tbqh.
The American invasion of Grenada was such a blatant act of imperialism that it disgusted even Thatcher, of all people.
Also not.. a single one of the post Yugoslav republics reverted to monarchy. That's just blatantly false.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Yes, Yugoslavia enjoyed communism so much that it's the only modern nation to revert to Monarchy.

Funny you should denigrate the only time when Yugoslavia was remotely stable, i.e. the only time it had another national religion other than Islam, Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism... and the period before Tito was marked by Roman Catholic genociders.