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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:11 pm

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Izandai wrote:Oh, I don't think there's anything dog-whistly about it. Trump has never tried to be subtle about his fascist leanings before, so why would he start now?

He's not usually this obvious. It's too bad to be what it seems.

What makes you think Trump actually looks at and approves those ads, personally?
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Postby Rusozak » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:17 pm

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An extremely obscure reference if so. It's the first I'm hearing of Antifa using it themselves, and I used to be associated with them. The fact he chose that particular image out of all of the way more popular symbols has to be deliberate. But why? Is he dog-whistle trying to win over the neo-Nazis by using images that have double meaning?

Oh, I don't think there's anything dog-whistly about it. Trump has never tried to be subtle about his fascist leanings before, so why would he start now?


Honestly, I don't think he even knows what fascism is or cares. But he knows what will win over certain far right groups. However, officially saying he's on their side would end his career. I think there's a lot more Trump supporters giving him benefit of the doubt thinking it was misinterpreted or fake news than there are those that actually approve of such things.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:50 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
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What even was the context? I know the ad was about declaring antifa terrorists, but what the hell was the intent? I'm legitimately having trouble grasping this. There has to be some other reason. Not even Trump would deliberately try to associate himself with the Nazis.

Antifa uses the symbol as a badge of honour, associating themself with the communist resistance of world war 2.


Right, but they're totally not communists right?
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:52 pm

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The Alma Mater wrote:Antifa uses the symbol as a badge of honour, associating themself with the communist resistance of world war 2.


Right, but they're totally not communists right?

And if they were?
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:53 pm

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The Alma Mater wrote:Antifa uses the symbol as a badge of honour, associating themself with the communist resistance of world war 2.


Right, but they're totally not communists right?

Leftists, yes, communists, no.
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Postby Izandai » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:56 pm

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The Alma Mater wrote:Antifa uses the symbol as a badge of honour, associating themself with the communist resistance of world war 2.


Right, but they're totally not communists right?

I think it's more about the opposition of fascism than the preference in economic philosophies.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:58 pm

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Right, but they're totally not communists right?

And if they were?


Opposition to communism is a moral right.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:58 pm

Izandai wrote:
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Right, but they're totally not communists right?

I think it's more about the opposition of fascism than the preference in economic philosophies.


"it's just an economic philosophy guys"
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:59 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And if they were?


Opposition to communism is a moral right.

So is opposition to unchecked capitalism.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:20 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Antifa uses the symbol as a badge of honour, associating themself with the communist resistance of world war 2.


Right, but they're totally not communists right?


Some are. Some are anarchists. Some just like to punch nazis in the face.

But let us be fair - the most efficient resistance to facism was offered by the violent communists. It makes sense to be inspired by the best.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:25 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And if they were?


Opposition to communism is a moral right.

Why ? On paper it is paradise.
That in practice it turns to horror is unfortunate, but as the religious folks on this site keep telling me you are not allowed to judge philosophies by the behaviour of its adherents in real life.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:43 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Right, but they're totally not communists right?


Some are. Some are anarchists. Some just like to punch nazis in the face.

But let us be fair - the most efficient resistance to facism was offered by the violent communists. It makes sense to be inspired by the best.

Might depend on location. In Germany, they actively fed into the rise of the Nazis, in no small part because the social democrats were also under attack by the communists.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:31 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And if they were?


Opposition to communism Fascism is a moral right.



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Postby The Grims » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:34 pm

Trump has stated he has not watched the video of Floyds killing because it is over 8 minutes..

“I couldn’t really watch it for that long a period of time, it was over eight minutes, and who could watch that?"

Did he mean to express horror at watching a man dying for 8 minutes or that he has the attention span of a toddler ?

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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:36 pm

The Grims wrote:Trump has stated he has not watched the video of Floyds killing because it is over 8 minutes..

“I couldn’t really watch it for that long a period of time, it was over eight minutes, and who could watch that?"

Did he mean to express horror at watching a man dying for 8 minutes or that he has the attention span of a toddler ?

The latter. George Floyd would have had to have been gasping "Help me Donald Trump!" for him to hold any interest.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:37 pm

The Grims wrote:Trump has stated he has not watched the video of Floyds killing because it is over 8 minutes..

“I couldn’t really watch it for that long a period of time, it was over eight minutes, and who could watch that?"

Did he mean to express horror at watching a man dying for 8 minutes or that he has the attention span of a toddler ?

I couldn't watch the full video because it was so horrific. We could assume that Trump had a similar problem.
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Postby Zapato » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:01 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
What even was the context? I know the ad was about declaring antifa terrorists, but what the hell was the intent? I'm legitimately having trouble grasping this. There has to be some other reason. Not even Trump would deliberately try to associate himself with the Nazis.

Antifa uses the symbol as a badge of honour, associating themself with the communist resistance of world war 2.

I've never seen that happening, and I'd be interested to learn more about it but Google didn't help me. Do you have a source?


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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:05 am

Vassenor wrote:
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Opposition to communism Fascism is a moral right.



FTFY


of course you're a communist sympathizer
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:07 am

Farnhamia wrote:
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Opposition to communism is a moral right.

So is opposition to unchecked capitalism.


Communism is fundamentally immoral, and rooted in oppression and violence, and it cannot be separated from such.

Therefore, violence against communists is justified because it is fighting oppression.

This is the exact language you people use against anyone you deem "fascist". Although communism's blood-soaked kill count and inherent oppression indicates that violence against communists is more justified than violence against followers of any other ideology.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:08 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Right, but they're totally not communists right?


Some are. Some are anarchists. Some just like to punch nazis in the face.


What about people who like to punch communists in the face?

The Alma Mater wrote:But let us be fair - the most efficient resistance to facism was offered by the violent communists. It makes sense to be inspired by the best.


You mean terrorists?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:09 am

Proctopeo wrote:
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Some are. Some are anarchists. Some just like to punch nazis in the face.

But let us be fair - the most efficient resistance to facism was offered by the violent communists. It makes sense to be inspired by the best.

Might depend on location. In Germany, they actively fed into the rise of the Nazis, in no small part because the social democrats were also under attack by the communists.


I mean this should be obvious. Of course the communists attacked social democrats. They were violent, authoritarian terrorists who thought everyone who disagreed with them should be killed. Much like modern communists.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:12 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
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FTFY


of course you're a communist sympathizer


So you disagree with opposing Fascism?
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:13 am

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I mean this should be obvious. Of course the communists attacked social democrats. They were violent, authoritarian terrorists who thought everyone who disagreed with them should be killed. Much like modern communists.

And the German social democrats weren't?

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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:20 am

Vassenor wrote:
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of course you're a communist sympathizer


So you disagree with opposing Fascism?


So you disagree with opposing communism?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:22 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I mean this should be obvious. Of course the communists attacked social democrats. They were violent, authoritarian terrorists who thought everyone who disagreed with them should be killed. Much like modern communists.

And the German social democrats weren't?


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