MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Bear Stearns]

Trump deems Houses of Worship as "essential" facilities, says Governors should immediately open them up; threatens to override Governors that refuse to do so. Trump went on to say that it was an "injustice" that places like liquor stores and abortion clinics were allowed to remain opened.

I might be bias towards this given I'm an atheist but I do not view places of worship as essential, especially when one can literally pray at home (or listen in from afar, we're in the fucking 21st Century after all). Also, him forcing States to re-open up things, doesn't that go against their respect for State Rights or something?

States' Rights only matter when a Democrat is overstepping the bounds of Federal government. When Republicans do it, it's called maga or something.

If state's rights don't matter then let's get rid of sanctuary states, which is essentially where a state can impose an immigration policy on the rest of the country.

[Thermodolia]

Again you are missing the point. Which is that those who think trivial matters are a threat to Christianity are those who oppose all of this and think it’s a plot to end Christianity.

That’s the point you refuse to see. For what reason I have no idea

Widespread acceptance of homosexuality is not trivial. We can argue if it is good, but homosexuality is an issue and, in any scenario, when there is an issue of contention and one opinion is being spread, the opposing side is going to respond by attempting to counter that acceptance.

*bangs head on concrete*

[Katganistan]

Legally yes

Legally no. Donations aren't profit.

Non-profit corporations, maybe.

[Thermodolia]

Legally yes

They are?
Seems like they should be paying taxes then....

Non-profit Corporations. Which don’t have to pay taxes. Not every corporation has to pay taxes

[Bear Stearns]

Legally yes

They are?
Seems like they should be paying taxes then....

Not all types of corporations are required to pay taxes.

[Solomons Land]

Legally yes

They are?
Seems like they should be paying taxes then....

As I said above, churches are non-profit corporations not taxed. Whether non-profits should be taxed is a topic for a different thread.

[Galloism]

You don’t have to have a profit to be a business. Churches are legal corporations just like any other non-profit

A non-profit is not a corporation. That's not how it works.

Non profits are typically a particular sub-class of corporation. Although it is possible to have a non profit LLC that's treated as a corporation for almost every conceivable way, these are not the norm.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

A non-profit is not a corporation. That's not how it works.

Yes they are. A legal corporation yes. Not exactly the same as regular parlance but they are a corporation technically

My mistake. Technically they are, yes. I was confusing it with the term 'business' as they are often used interchangeably.

[Idzequitch]

States' Rights only matter when a Democrat is overstepping the bounds of Federal government. When Republicans do it, it's called maga or something.

If state's rights don't matter then let's get rid of sanctuary states, which is essentially where a state can impose an immigration policy on the rest of the country.

I do believe you've entirely missed what I was saying.

[Thermodolia]

You don’t have to have a profit to be a business. Churches are legal corporations just like any other non-profit

Churches are indeed corporations, but that was not the question. The question was whether or not they are businesses, which they are not. While, in a generic sense, I think churches should be allowed to open roughly around the same time as businesses, I think it is too early to open either.

Corporation = business. They are one in the same.

Or do you want to split hairs again because you can’t accept that your might be wrong?

[Diopolis]

You don’t have to have a profit to be a business. Churches are legal corporations just like any other non-profit

Churches are indeed corporations, but that was not the question. The question was whether or not they are businesses, which they are not. While, in a generic sense, I think churches should be allowed to open roughly around the same time as businesses, I think it is too early to open either.

This is, at the very least, a consistent position.
My own view is that as long as we keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, the law of diminishing returns applies to further measures quite strongly(because it's impossible to do a good enough job with the lockdowns to really make a big difference). So churches should be allowed to open, with social distancing restrictions in place.

[Katganistan]

They are?
Seems like they should be paying taxes then....

Not all types of corporations are required to pay taxes.

I didn't say non-profits should.... but businesses do.

[Bear Stearns]

If state's rights don't matter then let's get rid of sanctuary states, which is essentially where a state can impose an immigration policy on the rest of the country.

I do believe you've entirely missed what I was saying.

I'm saying your stance on state's rights is dependent on which party is in control of a state, in spite of your strawman example.

[Gormwood]

That's not something he can enforce, nor is it something that he should be able to.

Separation of Church and State works both ways or not at all.

Oh my God he's about to tear down the wall of church and state now that the election is coming.

No Donald no.

You should already know by now. "No, Donald, No!" just makes him more eager to do it.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Churches are indeed corporations, but that was not the question. The question was whether or not they are businesses, which they are not. While, in a generic sense, I think churches should be allowed to open roughly around the same time as businesses, I think it is too early to open either.

Corporation = business. They are one in the same.

Or do you want to split hairs again because you can’t accept that your might be wrong?

No, businesses are specifically about profit. Corporation has a broader meaning.

[Bear Stearns]

Not all types of corporations are required to pay taxes.

I didn't say corporations should.... but businesses do.

Corporation =/= business

[Galloism]

Churches are indeed corporations, but that was not the question. The question was whether or not they are businesses, which they are not. While, in a generic sense, I think churches should be allowed to open roughly around the same time as businesses, I think it is too early to open either.

Corporation = business. They are one in the same.

Or do you want to split hairs again because you can’t accept that your might be wrong?

Um, actually, corporation does not equal business.

There are corporations that are not businesses (like investment holding companies) and businesses that are not corporations (like the self-employed).

Most corporations are businesses, but most businesses are actually not corporations. There's a hell of a lot of sole proprietors, partnerships, and LLCs out there that are NOT corporations. They probably outnumber business corporations, although I'm not sure.

[Thermodolia]

Yes they are. A legal corporation yes. Not exactly the same as regular parlance but they are a corporation technically

My mistake. Technically they are, yes. I was confusing it with the term 'business' as they are often used interchangeably.

No harm done. The tax code is a messy thing, only those who have mastered the dark arts understand it

[Katganistan]

I didn't say corporations should.... but businesses do.

Corporation =/= business

I am not the one who originally called it a business. That was the whole point of ASKING them if it was a business.

[Bear Stearns]

If you want to talk about taxing non-profits that horde money, let's go after universities. The Ivy League schools are basically glorified hedge funds that happen to also provide educational services.

[Thermodolia]

Corporation = business. They are one in the same.

Or do you want to split hairs again because you can’t accept that your might be wrong?

Um, actually, corporation does not equal business.

There are corporations that are not businesses (like investment holding companies) and businesses that are not corporations (like the self-employed).

Most corporations are businesses, but most businesses are actually not corporations. There's a hell of a lot of sole proprietors, partnerships, and LLCs out there that are NOT corporations. They probably outnumber business corporations, although I'm not sure.

Well then

[Bear Stearns]

Corporation =/= business

I am not the one who originally called it a business. That was the whole point of ASKING them if it was a business.

Business doesn't really have a precise definition here.

[Gormwood]

Guess the televangelists suffered from money withdrawal much sooner than expected.

[Azlaake]

My whole life I have been catholic. I was baptized and went through the other sacraments. While I am the least religious in my family I still believe. We watched our local priest do church two times already. However, I do not think that going to church is essential, everybody can worship from home and you do not need to go to Church just because

I wish that at the beginning Trump has forcibly shut down the churches because some pastors were dismissing Covid-19 and a lot people were in close quarters

[Thermodolia]

If you want to talk about taxing non-profits that horde money, let's go after universities. The Ivy League schools are basically glorified hedge funds that happen to also provide educational services.

I’m all for mandating that non-profits pay a 1% income tax