MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Vassenor]

I have heard this argument before on yt comments.

I can disprove it with a bit of conversation theory I call the strawberry example. It goes as follows:

If you and I where in a conversation about fruit and I said that I like strawberries and you respond with "Oh yeah I love fruit.". To anyone listening on the conversation they would think "By fruit he ment a wide range of fruit including but not limited to strawberries. Otherwise he would have explicitly stated that he doesn't like strawberries.".

When you talk about bleach as a disinfectant and then hear the responce "inject disinfectant as a test to see if it would cure the virus." yeah you are talking about bleach.

This argument of "He didn't say bleach by name so it doesn't count." is pure beating around the bush to make it seem like Trump didn't say something very stupid.

Lysol is now anti Trump apparently.

This is a common trump supporter tactic to try and deny that Trump said something really stupid or did something really evil, because otherwise they would have to admit that they made this chaos possible.

I'm fairly convinced that a majority of Trumpsters secretly know that Trump is a dickhead.

There's a lot of "he didn't use those exact words" going around. The fact is that Trump's speech is riddled with "I could say X, but..." just so he can't be held responsible for anything later.

[Ifreann]

Trump claims he's taking hydroxychloroquine.

[Gormwood]

Reminder that the president never recommended injecting bleach and the idea that people would do so based on what he did say is a fear manufactured by his critics.
Also reminder of the maxim "every fear hides a wish"


The 2.2 million is an extreme example, but it was given a lot of weight back in march, as were a lot of studies predicting a failure. That's my point. Now that our actual death toll is much lower then the predictions the narrative has switched from, "Donald Trump is understating the crisis, hundreds of thousands, even millions will die" to "Donald Trump has bungled this the reason our death rates have been lower then predicted by studies is because trump made the studies exaggerate the threat so his bungle would look good by comparison"

Of course he never said inject bleach. He said "maybe we can inject disinfectant," and then tried to backpeddle and claim it was a joke.

Trump never actually said "bleach" so clearly he's the victim of liberal smear. The Scooby Doo Villain Defense.

[Gormwood]

Trump claims he's taking hydroxychloroquine.

He also said Mexico is paying for The Wall and coronavirus would disappear in warm April air.

[Aclion]

Reminder that the president never recommended injecting bleach and the idea that people would do so based on what he did say is a fear manufactured by his critics.
Also reminder of the maxim "every fear hides a wish"

About that.

Yep, that would be the part about the wish coming true. Take what Trump said Miscariterize it as a suggestion, then blaim him when people see your reports and follow his "suggestion".
Ask yourself, how many people tried this because they were watching him spit-balling and how many did it because they saw the week of coverage, or people on the internet repeating the hoax?

The 2.2 million is an extreme example, but it was given a lot of weight back in march, as were a lot of studies predicting a failure.

Your point is bad because it relies on not understanding how the studies were calculated.

It doesn't. How the studies were calculated isn't relevant to my point since my point is that people have selected studies without regard for what they measure in order to play a narrative; and more importantly, that this narrative isn't even consistent with their narrative from a month ago.
I'm not accusing the researchers of being dishonest. I'm accusing media outlets of being inconsistent.

That's my point. Now that our actual death toll is much lower then the predictions the narrative has switched from, "Donald Trump is understating the crisis, hundreds of thousands, even millions will die" to "Donald Trump has bungled this the reason our death rates have been lower then predicted by studies is because trump made the studies exaggerate the threat so his bungle would look good by comparison"

I’ve seen this from literally nobody.

It's quoted in your own post

[Rojava Free State]

Trump claims he's taking hydroxychloroquine.

This means one of two things.

#1. Either the drug should be used for sick people but the president is hording it for himself.

#2. It isn't safe to use on patients and Trump is slowly poisoning himself in a desperate attempt to flee the monster he created.

So regardless of whether you think the drug is safe or not, Trump is still a dumbass either way.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Trump claims he's taking hydroxychloroquine.

This means one of two things.

#1. Either the drug should be used for sick people but the president is hording it for himself.

#2. It isn't safe to use on patients and Trump is slowly poisoning himself in a desperate attempt to flee the monster he created.

So regardless of whether you think the drug is safe or not, Trump is still a dumbass either way.

#3. He's lying. Which isn't really a better option, it's just more likely.

[Rojava Free State]

About that.

Yep, that would be the part about the wish coming true. Take what Trump said Miscariterize it as a suggestion, then blaim him when people see your reports and follow his "suggestion".
Ask yourself, how many people tried this because they were watching him spit-balling and how many did it because they saw the week of coverage, or people on the internet repeating the hoax?

And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

-Something Trump didn't say...in an alternate universe where he isn't a retard

[Rojava Free State]

This means one of two things.

#1. Either the drug should be used for sick people but the president is hording it for himself.

#2. It isn't safe to use on patients and Trump is slowly poisoning himself in a desperate attempt to flee the monster he created.

So regardless of whether you think the drug is safe or not, Trump is still a dumbass either way.

#3. He's lying. Which isn't really a better option, it's just more likely.

He's still a dumbass then. There is no way to spin this that is remotely good.

[Aclion]

Yep, that would be the part about the wish coming true. Take what Trump said Miscariterize it as a suggestion, then blaim him when people see your reports and follow his "suggestion".
Ask yourself, how many people tried this because they were watching him spit-balling and how many did it because they saw the week of coverage, or people on the internet repeating the hoax?

And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

-Something Trump didn't say...in an alternate universe where he isn't a retard

"Is there a way we can do something like that... we should look into it" =/= "You should do that"

This means one of two things.

#1. Either the drug should be used for sick people but the president is hording it for himself.

#2. It isn't safe to use on patients and Trump is slowly poisoning himself in a desperate attempt to flee the monster he created.

So regardless of whether you think the drug is safe or not, Trump is still a dumbass either way.

#3. He's lying. Which isn't really a better option, it's just more likely.

#4. maybe it's lupus

[Gormwood]

-Something Trump didn't say...in an alternate universe where he isn't a retard

"Is there a way we can do something like that... we should look into it" =/= "You should do that"

You would make an awesome organized crime prosecutor.

[Rojava Free State]

At an April 23 press briefing, President Donald Trump mused about the possibility of using “very powerful light” and injecting disinfectant into the body to kill COVID-19 – a suggestion that, in the case of disinfectant, was roundly criticized by experts as dangerous. A day later, he said he was being “sarcastic.”

It's funny how Trump's fans try and claim he didn't suggest injecting disinfectant even though he obviously did, and then they just look like liars when trump himself says "yeah I said it, but in my defense I was joking."

BTW even if we take Trump for his word and believe he was joking, all that means is the president is such an immature cunt, he cracks dark jokes during a crisis and ends up talking a bunch of people into accidental suicide. I'm starting to notice a recurring pattern here where no matter how you spin what Trump says, he comes across as stupid at best, and downright despicable at worst.

[Rojava Free State]

-Something Trump didn't say...in an alternate universe where he isn't a retard

"Is there a way we can do something like that... we should look into it" =/= "You should do that"

Anyone with common sense wouldn't even suggest it. So in other words, he's still dumb as dirt.

You don't need to look into whether disinfectants can be injected into people. Considering that this is a well known suicide method (ingesting bleach or lysol), a grown ass man ought to know better.

[Zurkerx]

Trump claims he's taking hydroxychloroquine.

Yep: https://www.axios.com/trump-hydroxychlo ... 421ea.html

This means one of two things.

#1. Either the drug should be used for sick people but the president is hording it for himself.

#2. It isn't safe to use on patients and Trump is slowly poisoning himself in a desperate attempt to flee the monster he created.

So regardless of whether you think the drug is safe or not, Trump is still a dumbass either way.

#3. He's lying. Which isn't really a better option, it's just more likely.

And also despite the fact there is no evidence the drug prevents infection. Which brings me to this point:

#2. It isn't safe to use on patients and Trump is slowly poisoning himself in a desperate attempt to flee the monster he created.

I find it hard to believe his doctor would have him take such drug for no reason. There are risks. So, I doubt he's taking it.

[Rojava Free State]

Trump claims he's taking hydroxychloroquine.

Yep: https://www.axios.com/trump-hydroxychlo ... 421ea.html

#3. He's lying. Which isn't really a better option, it's just more likely.

And also despite the fact there is no evidence the drug prevents infection. Which brings me to this point:

#2. It isn't safe to use on patients and Trump is slowly poisoning himself in a desperate attempt to flee the monster he created.

I find it hard to believe his doctor would have him take such drug for no reason. There are risks. So, I doubt he's taking it.

I mean his doctor could be that much of a yes man. This is Trump we're dealing with. He's kind of like a black hole. The closer you get to him, the less the laws of reality apply, and the crazier shit gets.

I really don't know if he is being honest or not. He could very well be lying. I'm just saying it is possible he really is overdosing on Hydroxychloroquin.

[Aclion]

"Is there a way we can do something like that... we should look into it" =/= "You should do that"

Anyone with common sense wouldn't even suggest it. So in other words, he's still dumb as dirt.

You don't need to look into whether disinfectants can be injected into people. Considering that this is a well known suicide method (ingesting bleach or lysol), a grown ass man ought to know better.

He's definatly dumb for suggesting it, and for spitballing at a press conference, and for claiming it was sarcasm and not just a dumb question.

[Diahon]

Trump claims he's taking hydroxychloroquine.

Oh, is he? And he's shitting on scientific trials just for kicks while he's at it? Is he now claiming he's better than the scientists too?

Very well.

Let's go to Wikipedia to find out... things!

Common side effects include vomiting, headache, changes in vision, and muscle weakness. Severe side effects may include allergic reactions, vision problems, and heart problems.

I see, I see. More!

The most common adverse effects are nausea, stomach cramps, and diarrhea. The most serious adverse effects affect the eye, with dose-related retinopathy as a concern even after hydroxychloroquine use is discontinued.

More! More!

For short-term treatment of acute malaria, adverse effects can include abdominal cramps, diarrhea, heart problems, reduced appetite, headache, nausea and vomiting.

MORE! MOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ---

For prolonged treatment of lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, adverse effects include the acute symptoms, plus altered eye pigmentation, acne, anemia, bleaching of hair, blisters in mouth and eyes, blood disorders, convulsions, vision difficulties, diminished reflexes, emotional changes, excessive coloring of the skin, hearing loss, hives, itching, liver problems or liver failure, loss of hair, muscle paralysis, weakness or atrophy, nightmares, psoriasis, reading difficulties, tinnitus, skin inflammation and scaling, skin rash, vertigo, weight loss, and occasionally urinary incontinence.

YES! MORE! MORE! MORE!

One of the most serious side effects is retinopathy (generally with chronic use).People taking 400 mg of hydroxychloroquine or less per day generally have a negligible risk of macular toxicity, whereas the risk begins to go up when a person takes the medication over five years or has a cumulative dose of more than 1000 grams. The daily safe maximum dose for eye toxicity can be computed from a person's height and weight. Macular toxicity is related to the total cumulative dose rather than the daily dose.

The macular changes are potentially serious. Advanced retinopathy is characterized by reduction of visual acuity and a "bull's eye" macular lesion which is absent in early involvement.

MOR--oh? That's it?

Hmph. Well then, time to sit back and jump in joy as absolutely --

heart problems

-- nothing --

liver problems or liver failure

-- happens.

[Jedi Council]

Anyone with common sense wouldn't even suggest it. So in other words, he's still dumb as dirt.

You don't need to look into whether disinfectants can be injected into people. Considering that this is a well known suicide method (ingesting bleach or lysol), a grown ass man ought to know better.

He's definatly dumb for suggesting it, and for spitballing at a press conference, and for claiming it was sarcasm and not just a dumb question.

Shouldn't we expect the President to, you know, not be dumb?

If anyone else mused about ingesting/injecting disinfectants they would be institutionalized

[Baja California Autonoma]

My favorite statement was when he said "I'm not a doctor, I'm just a person with a good you-know-what." *points to head*

Classic idiocy.

[Jedi Council]

My favorite statement was when he said "I'm not a doctor, I'm just a person with a good you-know-what." *points to head*

Classic idiocy.

I enjoyed his recent revelation about the Pentagons new "super-duper" missile. It will go well with America's "tippy top" nuclear arsenal.

[Valrifell]

Anyone with common sense wouldn't even suggest it. So in other words, he's still dumb as dirt.

You don't need to look into whether disinfectants can be injected into people. Considering that this is a well known suicide method (ingesting bleach or lysol), a grown ass man ought to know better.

He's definatly dumb for suggesting it, and for spitballing at a press conference, and for claiming it was sarcasm and not just a dumb question.

So if you agree with the fact that he was stupid and possibly dangerous, why bother playing this game where you split hairs for ostensibly no reason? What do you get out of it?

[Ism]

#3. He's lying. Which isn't really a better option, it's just more likely.

#4. maybe it's lupus

[Gormwood]

He's definatly dumb for suggesting it, and for spitballing at a press conference, and for claiming it was sarcasm and not just a dumb question.

So if you agree with the fact that he was stupid and possibly dangerous, why bother playing this game where you split hairs for ostensibly no reason? What do you get out of it?

An attempt to Trumpologize and own the libs.

[Aclion]

He's definatly dumb for suggesting it, and for spitballing at a press conference, and for claiming it was sarcasm and not just a dumb question.

So if you agree with the fact that he was stupid and possibly dangerous, why bother playing this game where you split hairs for ostensibly no reason? What do you get out of it?

I get to call people out for spreading misinformation that has gotten people hospitalized.

[Valrifell]

So if you agree with the fact that he was stupid and possibly dangerous, why bother playing this game where you split hairs for ostensibly no reason? What do you get out of it?

I get to call people out for spreading misinformation that has gotten people hospitalized.

So you're blaming the people who're saying "Trump said to drink bleach" rather than Trump, or more or less said something similar or the people stubborn enough to try it?