UFO Videos Officially Confirmed by US Government

[Galloism]

You say you can't make ships invisible...

No, I've said that doing so would necessarily blind the vessel.

Ok, I love truisms as much as the next guy (after all, if ALL the light passes around/through the vessel, it is necessarily blind as you say), but you could make vessels effectively invisible even if not in the absolutist sense invisible.

Imagine a vessel that is made up unobtainium, which passes light around the skin and causes it to bend in such a way that it continues on in its exact original direction before striking the unobtainium. We'll also assume unobtainium does the same with radio waves, xrays, etc.

And you have very small cameras to see where you're going where the light necessarily doesn't pass around the vessel.

Now, those cameras would necessarily be visible, but the visibility of the ship would be the size of a few peas, or smaller. It's not necessarily invisible in the absolute sense, but it can see where it's going, and the chances of it being detected are pretty slim, as their visible signature/radar signature/x ray signature is the size of a few peas. In space. Floating among the space dust and giant rocks out there.

[Andsed]

Lets humor Lumen for a minute. If aliens who were so advanced they could defy known laws of physics why would they bother with us? If they can do these near impossible things we would be nothing to them. Why would they spend resources covertly watching us? It makes no real sense and it seems quite arrogant they would waste time with us.

[San Lumen]

Lets humor Lumen for a minute. If aliens who were so advanced they could defy known laws of physics why would they bother with us? If they can do these near impossible things we would be nothing to them. Why would they spend resources covertly watching us? It makes no real sense.

Maybe they are curious about other civilizations and like to explore the galaxy? Maybe there is a Galactic Republic of sorts and they scout out planets to see if they are ready to join?

[Galloism]

Lets humor Lumen for a minute. If aliens who were so advanced they could defy known laws of physics why would they bother with us? If they can do these near impossible things we would be nothing to them. Why would they spend resources covertly watching us? It makes no real sense.

Do you really think aliens don't have drunk college students going on spring break and messing with the locals?

[Andsed]

Lets humor Lumen for a minute. If aliens who were so advanced they could defy known laws of physics why would they bother with us? If they can do these near impossible things we would be nothing to them. Why would they spend resources covertly watching us? It makes no real sense.

Maybe they are curious about other civilizations and like to explore the galaxy? Maybe there is a Galactic Republic of sorts and they scout out planets to see if they are ready to join?

Such arrogance Lumen. Assuming there would be anything interesting about us to them.

[San Lumen]

Maybe they are curious about other civilizations and like to explore the galaxy? Maybe there is a Galactic Republic of sorts and they scout out planets to see if they are ready to join?

Such arrogance Lumen. Assuming there would be anything interesting about us to them.

what makes you think there wouldnt be?

[Galloism]

Maybe they are curious about other civilizations and like to explore the galaxy? Maybe there is a Galactic Republic of sorts and they scout out planets to see if they are ready to join?

Such arrogance Lumen. Assuming there would be anything interesting about us to them.

Aliens, probably:

[Alvecia]

Lets humor Lumen for a minute. If aliens who were so advanced they could defy known laws of physics why would they bother with us? If they can do these near impossible things we would be nothing to them. Why would they spend resources covertly watching us? It makes no real sense.

Borrow from sci-fi, maybe they have their own version of Star Trek's Prime Directive.
Or hell, maybe they're just super curious.

If they're so advanced they can defy the known laws of physics, they might have reasons for observation that we cannot comprehend.
Problem is, when your premise throws out logic, then you can't really come up with a logical answer

[Andsed]

Such arrogance Lumen. Assuming there would be anything interesting about us to them.

what makes you think there wouldnt be?

Because if Aliens were this advanced we would be simple primitives to them. We would have nothing all that new or interesting for them to spend money and resources on. Like if they can defy the laws of physics as we know what could we have that they would find interesting? Some new plants or animals maybe but not much that would warrant covert operations to observe us.

[Ethel mermania]

Maybe they are curious about other civilizations and like to explore the galaxy? Maybe there is a Galactic Republic of sorts and they scout out planets to see if they are ready to join?

Such arrogance Lumen. Assuming there would be anything interesting about us to them.

Maybe they wish to protect mosquitoes as an endangered species.

[Ifreann]

Such a civilisation may well exist, but must be very far away from us or we'd have noticed.


Not really.

It isn't arrogant to recognise that we have learned some thing about how the universe works and that those things must be more or less accurate.


No, I've said that doing so would necessarily blind the vessel.

You are aware with our current technology we cannot directly observe the surface of exosolar planets?

You are aware that an INTERSTELLAR civilisation would necessarily be operating BETWEEN STARS not just on the surface of a single planet? And even so, we don't need to see the surface of a planet to notice a civilisation. We ourselves are beaming all manner of signals into space and have been ever since we invented the radio.

Just because we understand how something works now doesnt mean it won't be challenged in the future. Like I said before it was once that moons couldnt be geologically active.

And as I said, and apparently am going to have to repeat many times before you understand it, if the things we know about the universe were seriously wrong then our technology wouldn't work. If we are so very wrong about the universe then why are you trusting the word of theoretical physicists who say that we could develop invisibility cloaks?

And just because we think if would blind the vessel doesnt mean it would.

If the cloaking technology, whatever it is, stops light from reaching the vessel then light cannot reach the vessel and therefore the vessel cannot pick up the light that isn't reaching it.

[Ethel mermania]

what makes you think there wouldnt be?

Because if Aliens were this advanced we would be simple primitives to them. We would have nothing all that new or interesting for them to spend money and resources on. Like if they can defy the laws of physics as we know what could we have that they would find interesting? Some new plants or animals maybe but not much that would warrant covert operations to observe us.

-- it is known, except by 3/4 's of this website

[Andsed]

Because if Aliens were this advanced we would be simple primitives to them. We would have nothing all that new or interesting for them to spend money and resources on. Like if they can defy the laws of physics as we know what could we have that they would find interesting? Some new plants or animals maybe but not much that would warrant covert operations to observe us.

-- it is known, except by 3/4 's of this website

Well I can respect a race for overcoming the massive barriers of interstellar travel just to get some action. It is some real chad energy.

[Ifreann]

what makes you think there wouldnt be?

Because if Aliens were this advanced we would be simple primitives to them. We would have nothing all that new or interesting for them to spend money and resources on. Like if they can defy the laws of physics as we know what could we have that they would find interesting? Some new plants or animals maybe but not much that would warrant covert operations to observe us.

If we're throwing out the limitations of physics then this imaginary civilisation would surely be able to observe us from the safety and comfort of their homeworld, using their light manipulating technology to make the surface of Earth visible without having to go anywhere near us.

[Valrifell]

Lets humor Lumen for a minute. If aliens who were so advanced they could defy known laws of physics why would they bother with us? If they can do these near impossible things we would be nothing to them. Why would they spend resources covertly watching us? It makes no real sense.

Borrow from sci-fi, maybe they have their own version of Star Trek's Prime Directive.
Or hell, maybe they're just super curious.

If they're so advanced they can defy the known laws of physics, they might have reasons for observation that we cannot comprehend.
Problem is, when your premise throws out logic, then you can't really come up with a logical answer

Exactly, Lumen's aliens are build on premises so far afield from matching up with our known concepts of reality as to be completely unfalsifiable. Personally I've always considered it good form to avoid arguing about unfalsifiable claims and presuming them to be false.

[Vivolkha]

Of course UFOs are real. If something flies and you don't know what it is, that is the literal definition of a UFO. It doesn't imply that flying saucers or [insert conspirative trash here] exist.

[Alvecia]

Borrow from sci-fi, maybe they have their own version of Star Trek's Prime Directive.
Or hell, maybe they're just super curious.

If they're so advanced they can defy the known laws of physics, they might have reasons for observation that we cannot comprehend.
Problem is, when your premise throws out logic, then you can't really come up with a logical answer

Exactly, Lumen's aliens are build on premises so far afield from matching up with our known concepts of reality as to be completely unfalsifiable. Personally I've always considered it good form to avoid arguing about unfalsifiable claims and presuming them to be false.

Pretty much my position as well. If the premise of our question is "anything can happen", then the answer is always going to be yes, so why bother discussing.

[Ifreann]

In fact, if we're saying that UFOs are actually invisible aliens then how in the fuck did anyone see anything?

[The Black Dog Association]

It may be a distraction from something else.

[Vivolkha]

In fact, if we're saying that UFOs are actually invisible aliens then how in the fuck did anyone see anything?

Conspiracy theories are not supposed to make sense.

[Alvecia]

It may be a distraction from something else.

We were too busy trying to I the FO that we didn't think to question the chemtrails it left behind

[Ohkhos]

https://tecake.in/british-x-files-of-ufo-sightings-is-going-public
HOLY CRAP GUYS

I JUST SAW A FREAKING UFOOO!

[Thepeopl]

Well, at least the us government didn't start a armed conflict to deflect the attention of the crappy pandemic response. Anyone seen "Wag the dog",?

[Northern Davincia]

Lets humor Lumen for a minute. If aliens who were so advanced they could defy known laws of physics why would they bother with us? If they can do these near impossible things we would be nothing to them. Why would they spend resources covertly watching us? It makes no real sense.

Borrow from sci-fi, maybe they have their own version of Star Trek's Prime Directive.
Or hell, maybe they're just super curious.

If they're so advanced they can defy the known laws of physics, they might have reasons for observation that we cannot comprehend.
Problem is, when your premise throws out logic, then you can't really come up with a logical answer

I like to imagine aliens as passive observers, researching the development of intelligent life on other planets.

[San Lumen]

You are aware with our current technology we cannot directly observe the surface of exosolar planets?

You are aware that an INTERSTELLAR civilisation would necessarily be operating BETWEEN STARS not just on the surface of a single planet? And even so, we don't need to see the surface of a planet to notice a civilisation. We ourselves are beaming all manner of signals into space and have been ever since we invented the radio.

Just because we understand how something works now doesnt mean it won't be challenged in the future. Like I said before it was once that moons couldnt be geologically active.

And as I said, and apparently am going to have to repeat many times before you understand it, if the things we know about the universe were seriously wrong then our technology wouldn't work. If we are so very wrong about the universe then why are you trusting the word of theoretical physicists who say that we could develop invisibility cloaks?

And just because we think if would blind the vessel doesnt mean it would.

If the cloaking technology, whatever it is, stops light from reaching the vessel then light cannot reach the vessel and therefore the vessel cannot pick up the light that isn't reaching it.

and how are we going to observe their ships traveling between the stars?

I am not saying its wrong but perhaps aliens have learned things about the universe we don't know and therefore can do things we can't even conceive of yet.

You seem like you'd be one of those people who back in the day said hot air ballon would never fly or flight was impossible.

So our science says. An alien race might be thousands of years ahead of us but no only our understanding of the universe is the right one. Only the conditions in our solar system can lead to life. There can't possibility be things we will learn in the future that will make Star Trek a reality.