UFO Videos Officially Confirmed by US Government

[San Lumen]

an alien race could know far more about physics then we do. Why do you keep assuming that our current understanding of physics is all there is to know?

Again, our fundamental models of physics are unlikely to be wrong, but incomplete. This is a very fundamental difference. There is nothing that Einstein has predicted that turned out to be false or unobserved, so it's likely he is correct, but that doesn't mean physics is "solved". At the breaking point of models, new physics exists, but new physics doesn't replace old physics, it builds on top of it.

It's unlikely that you can accelerate something FTL without infinite energy, I say with 99.99% certainty.

Only because we haven't figured out how.

And perhaps an alien race has figured it out and our assumptions and models are wrong and their ships can't be seen by our technology. Some UFO sightings involve maneuvers and technology that is simply impossible for any current level of tech we have.

[Senkaku]

Which is more likely:

1 - that there are earthly explanations for these things
2 - extraterrestrial beings with basically magical abilities exist and have decided to use those abilities to come all the way across interstellar space to our planet for the purpose of freaking out some human pilots

Dolphins and sea lions surf, the only logical explanation is the do it for fun. Orcas fuck with other creatures just because they can. If evolution proceeds on other planets the way it does on earth, why not?

Well, if a civilization existed that was so advanced that detecting us from however many light years away and then journeying to us was a trivial matter of fun, they would probably also be pretty fucking noticeable in the night sky.

Life and intelligent life are two different things, and like I said the factors that lead to selecting for intelligent life seem to not be common. Nevertheless, supposing that there exist intelligent lifeforms that are common as you imply, you still can't develop past the laws of physics.

Our understanding of the universe is infantile, In 1977 if you said moons could be hot, you would have been laughed out of any astronomical society, then in1978 we got a look at Io and so much for the only cold moon theory.

Also while biological creatures may not make the crossing here because of the length of time to get somewhere, what's to say silicon based AI cant?

Why would it want to, if it even knew we were here? Humanity's radio signals haven't gotten very far out into the galaxy and are pretty faint, and we've seen UFOs (more anachronistic ones) before radio even existed. They'd first have had to somehow detect us, and then decide that they had a reason to visit (but only in a very low-profile way, which is very challenging and suggests they'd be so incredibly advanced that there's really nothing imaginable here they could need or want).

[Valrifell]

Again, our fundamental models of physics are unlikely to be wrong, but incomplete. This is a very fundamental difference. There is nothing that Einstein has predicted that turned out to be false or unobserved, so it's likely he is correct, but that doesn't mean physics is "solved". At the breaking point of models, new physics exists, but new physics doesn't replace old physics, it builds on top of it.

It's unlikely that you can accelerate something FTL without infinite energy, I say with 99.99% certainty.

Only because we haven't figured out how.

And perhaps an alien race has figured it out and our assumptions and models are wrong and their ships can't be seen by our technology. Some UFO sightings involve maneuvers and technology that is simply impossible for any current level of tech we have.

Lumen, Einstein wasn't wrong in his theories of general and special relativity, rejecting them means you're rejecting the basis for physics as we currently understand it, in spite of the literally hundreds of experimental confirmations that say, yeah, it pretty much works that way. There are several mathematical proofs on why we can't do it. What you advocate for here isn't scientific, it's pseudo-religious for your alien-gods.

The more likely explanation for UFOs is always terrestrial in nature.

[Senkaku]

Again, our fundamental models of physics are unlikely to be wrong, but incomplete. This is a very fundamental difference. There is nothing that Einstein has predicted that turned out to be false or unobserved, so it's likely he is correct, but that doesn't mean physics is "solved". At the breaking point of models, new physics exists, but new physics doesn't replace old physics, it builds on top of it.

It's unlikely that you can accelerate something FTL without infinite energy, I say with 99.99% certainty.

Only because we haven't figured out how.

And perhaps an alien race has figured it out and our assumptions and models are wrong and their ships can't be seen by our technology. Some UFO sightings involve maneuvers and technology that is simply impossible for any current level of tech we have.

So either we're completely wrong about all of the fundamental physical principles of the universe and are being visited by alien beings so advanced that they're basically gods (who have some bizarre fascination with us that's led them here), or some pilots saw a weather balloon at a funny angle.

I guess I'll just uncritically accept your take that these two things are completely equally likely explanations!

[Albrenia]

What with the boundless supply of resources available in space, the only real reason I can think of aliens wanting to visit Earth is curiosity or study.

We've some pretty cool plants, animals and the like which I can see some nerdy xeno wanting to catalogue and examine.

[Rojava Free State]

Only because we haven't figured out how.

And perhaps an alien race has figured it out and our assumptions and models are wrong and their ships can't be seen by our technology. Some UFO sightings involve maneuvers and technology that is simply impossible for any current level of tech we have.

So either we're completely wrong about all of the fundamental physical principles of the universe and are being visited by alien beings so advanced that they're basically gods (who have some bizarre fascination with us that's led them here), or some pilots saw a weather balloon at a funny angle.

I guess I'll just uncritically accept your take that these two things are completely equally likely explanations!

Idk it's pretty unlikely the pilots ran into a weather balloon. The craft they described maneuvered in ways no normal human tech can, and I doubt a squadron of fighter pilots would mistake a weather balloon for a saucer.

Is it more likely a weather balloon? Well yeah, in the sense that it's 0.01% likely it's aliens, and 0.02% likely it's a weather balloon.

[Valrifell]

What with the boundless supply of resources available in space, the only real reason I can think of aliens wanting to visit Earth is curiosity or study.

We've some pretty cool plants, animals and the like which I can see some nerdy xeno wanting to catalogue and examine.

There are some things that can only be produced through a carbon-biosphere and/or a geologically active planet. The latter of which is uncommon and the former we have no evidence of existing elsewhere, but statistically seems probable to exist in a lot of places.

[Senkaku]

So either we're completely wrong about all of the fundamental physical principles of the universe and are being visited by alien beings so advanced that they're basically gods (who have some bizarre fascination with us that's led them here), or some pilots saw a weather balloon at a funny angle.

I guess I'll just uncritically accept your take that these two things are completely equally likely explanations!

Idk it's pretty unlikely the pilots ran into a weather balloon. The craft they described maneuvered in ways no normal human tech can, and I doubt a squadron of fighter pilots would mistake a weather balloon for a saucer.

Is it more likely a weather balloon? Well yeah, in the sense that it's 0.01% likely it's aliens, and 0.02% likely it's a weather balloon.

who would win: human eyeballs once again shitting the bed or vast extraterrestrial conspiracy

[Albrenia]

What with the boundless supply of resources available in space, the only real reason I can think of aliens wanting to visit Earth is curiosity or study.

We've some pretty cool plants, animals and the like which I can see some nerdy xeno wanting to catalogue and examine.

There are some things that can only be produced through a carbon-biosphere and/or a geologically active planet. The latter of which is uncommon and the former we have no evidence of existing elsewhere, but statistically seems probable to exist in a lot of places.

It would seem odd if aliens required something like fossil fuels or other biologically produced resources, but I guess it is possible.

[Rojava Free State]

Idk it's pretty unlikely the pilots ran into a weather balloon. The craft they described maneuvered in ways no normal human tech can, and I doubt a squadron of fighter pilots would mistake a weather balloon for a saucer.

Is it more likely a weather balloon? Well yeah, in the sense that it's 0.01% likely it's aliens, and 0.02% likely it's a weather balloon.

who would win: human eyeballs once again shitting the bed or vast extraterrestrial conspiracy

I just told you it isnt likely to be aliens. It just isn't likely to be a weather balloon either.

By the way, the human eyes you describe probably can tell a weather balloon when they see it. These are fighter pilots, not some random wing nut in a biplane.

[Senkaku]

There are some things that can only be produced through a carbon-biosphere and/or a geologically active planet. The latter of which is uncommon and the former we have no evidence of existing elsewhere, but statistically seems probable to exist in a lot of places.

It would seem odd if aliens required something like fossil fuels or other biologically produced resources, but I guess it is possible.

"hey boss, we need petrol and some hamburger meat for our unspecified and totally incomprehensible alien reasons"
"ok, so use our incredibly advanced technology to fabricate some out of raw elements or something"
"actually, I was thinking we find a planet with a civilization that still uses fossil fuels and raises livestock, fly all the way there on our incredibly advanced ships, and steal some from them"
"okay, sounds good"
"also, we have to keep it a secret from most of their people, except for a few pilots or drivers on random country roads, and we need to torture some of their livestock"
"you can't just... fabricate it?"
"no, this is the only way"

[Cameroi]

an actual link to the videos in question might be useful.
i like seeing these things, but without the hype that usually accompanies them.

i think the timing when most people wouldn't notice or make a bigger deal about it then it is was good and reasonable idea.

of course, if people looked at things sensibly, they idea that somebody from someplace else might want to have a look around,
wouldn't be really any of that big of a deal.

i think the one thing about it, is if any of these things were actually from worlds in other solar systems, even if just unoccupied probes,
is encouragement for the possibility that we might someday be able likewise to visit the planets of other solar systems.

and of course i'd love to see good clear close ups of alien technology, just because to me that would be something interesting to see.
of course i also realize we now have the capacity to create images that look like anything we want them to,
that being also a hobby i enjoy myself.

[Senkaku]

By the way, the human eyes you describe probably can tell a weather balloon when they see it. These are fighter pilots, not some random wing nut in a biplane.

You act like there's actually a GIGANTIC qualitative difference between those two things (they're still just human eyeballs), but not like there's much of one between "balloon or cloud or something" and "aliens decided to fly here from the next galaxy over, but just to vibe and make circles in the grass"

[Nimzonia]

Life and intelligent life are two different things, and like I said the factors that lead to selecting for intelligent life seem to not be common. Nevertheless, supposing that there exist intelligent lifeforms that are common as you imply, you still can't develop past the laws of physics.

an alien race could know far more about physics then we do. Why do you keep assuming that our current understanding of physics is all there is to know?

I think understanding physics is like doing a jigsaw. Even though we've only done some edge bits and maybe a corner, we can already see enough of the final picture to know that it's one of those stupid baked bean jigsaws and not, say, a picture of Spongebob Squarepants. FTL is a random piece of Spongebob that people keep hoping is going to somehow fit into our boring old baked bean universe.

[Sodoran Alesia]

It would seem odd if aliens required something like fossil fuels or other biologically produced resources, but I guess it is possible.

"hey boss, we need petrol and some hamburger meat for our unspecified and totally incomprehensible alien reasons"
"ok, so use our incredibly advanced technology to fabricate some out of raw elements or something"
"actually, I was thinking we find a planet with a civilization that still uses fossil fuels and raises livestock, fly all the way there on our incredibly advanced ships, and steal some from them"
"okay, sounds good"
"also, we have to keep it a secret from most of their people, except for a few pilots or drivers on random country roads, and we need to torture some of their livestock"
"you can't just... fabricate it?"
"no, this is the only way"

I'm getting flashbacks to the Jimmy Neutron movie about the aliens turning humans into alien chickens for their fast food franchise lol

[Rojava Free State]

By the way, the human eyes you describe probably can tell a weather balloon when they see it. These are fighter pilots, not some random wing nut in a biplane.

You act like there's actually a GIGANTIC qualitative difference between those two things (they're still just human eyeballs), but not like there's much of one between "balloon or cloud or something" and "aliens decided to fly here from the next galaxy over, but just to vibe and make circles in the grass"

That face when someone tells you it isn't a weather balloon, and you automatically assume they're saying it's aliens.

[Senkaku]

can we just circle back to the fact that we have currently observed zero evidence of any alien civilizations out in the stars, much less ones that are so massive and energy-intensive that they probably span the galaxy or many galaxies and would consider it trivial to fly over to harass some apes with radios? Because that means in addition to the likelihood of them existing, having the technology to come here, having a reason to come here, and having that reason be something that leads them to behave the way they do, we also need to consider that they would have had to undertake a galaxy-wide conspiracy to conceal large-scale evidence of their civilization from our view

[Ethel mermania]

Our understanding of the universe is infantile, In 1977 if you said moons could be hot, you would have been laughed out of any astronomical society, then in1978 we got a look at Io and so much for the only cold moon theory.

Also while biological creatures may not make the crossing here because of the length of time to get somewhere, what's to say silicon based AI cant?

See, the thing is it wouldn't be overturning something like "exoplanets exist", FTL travel would be overturning some of the most fundamental assumptions and models about our physical universe and would open up very strange possibilities, like infinite energy. It would be such a massive paradigm shift as to be unprecedented, considering not even Newtonian mechanics would've made such a wrong prediction.

Oh sure, silicon-based life (or an AI) might have increased durability to make such a long trek viable, or they could have figured out totally good and valid generation ships. Of course, they would be very noticeable.

If they figure out near light speed travel, they could figure out cloaking. A better question would be why would they use it coming to earth.

I would assume based on the energy needs of even near light travel they would use some sort of anti matter drive.

[Senkaku]

See, the thing is it wouldn't be overturning something like "exoplanets exist", FTL travel would be overturning some of the most fundamental assumptions and models about our physical universe and would open up very strange possibilities, like infinite energy. It would be such a massive paradigm shift as to be unprecedented, considering not even Newtonian mechanics would've made such a wrong prediction.

Oh sure, silicon-based life (or an AI) might have increased durability to make such a long trek viable, or they could have figured out totally good and valid generation ships. Of course, they would be very noticeable.

If they figure out near light speed travel, they could figure out cloaking.

...why? What about "cloaking" makes it a logical next step from developing gigantic super-powerful engines and ships that can cross between stars?

A better question would be why would they use it coming to earth.

I would assume based on the energy needs of even near light travel they would use some sort of anti matter drive.

...again, what? Maybe they're only a few hundred years ahead and using fusion! Or maybe they're like Lumen thinks and they're using some insane hyperdrive and are millions of years beyond what we could even imagine!

Why, having never encountered aliens, does anyone assume we know anything about what they might be like?

[Valrifell]

See, the thing is it wouldn't be overturning something like "exoplanets exist", FTL travel would be overturning some of the most fundamental assumptions and models about our physical universe and would open up very strange possibilities, like infinite energy. It would be such a massive paradigm shift as to be unprecedented, considering not even Newtonian mechanics would've made such a wrong prediction.

Oh sure, silicon-based life (or an AI) might have increased durability to make such a long trek viable, or they could have figured out totally good and valid generation ships. Of course, they would be very noticeable.

If they figure out near light speed travel, they could figure out cloaking. A better question would be why would they use it coming to earth.

I would assume based on the energy needs of even near light travel they would use some sort of anti matter drive.

Near-light travel isn't practical with the distances we're talking about. They could, hypothetically travel years and for what? Also, I don't understand why they would care to develop cloaking technology unless they were some kind of sociologists.

Nevertheless, perfect cloaking is near-impossible, and for a spacecraft I'd venture to say it would be impossible.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

When's the government gonna release footage of Sirenhead? Everybody is worried about COVID or UFOs, but you'll really be scared when the trees start speaking tornado siren.

After they finish injecting disinfectants.

[Albrenia]

can we just circle back to the fact that we have currently observed zero evidence of any alien civilizations out in the stars, much less ones that are so massive and energy-intensive that they probably span the galaxy or many galaxies and would consider it trivial to fly over to harass some apes with radios? Because that means in addition to the likelihood of them existing, having the technology to come here, having a reason to come here, and having that reason be something that leads them to behave the way they do, we also need to consider that they would have had to undertake a galaxy-wide conspiracy to conceal large-scale evidence of their civilization from our view

Short of the 'Wow! signal' and possibly one or two other blips, the entire absence of evidence of aliens is rather convincing. Although, of course, our ability to detect anything outside of our tiny little sliver of the universe means it's entirely possible that galaxy-spanning empires exist, or are even common.

It's just... y'know... not backed by any solid evidence.

[Valrifell]

If they figure out near light speed travel, they could figure out cloaking.

...why? What about "cloaking" makes it a logical next step from developing gigantic super-powerful engines and ships that can cross between stars?

A better question would be why would they use it coming to earth.

I would assume based on the energy needs of even near light travel they would use some sort of anti matter drive.

...again, what? Maybe they're only a few hundred years ahead and using fusion! Or maybe they're like Lumen thinks and they're using some insane hyperdrive and are millions of years beyond what we could even imagine!

Why, having never encountered aliens, does anyone assume we know anything about what they might be like?

Because we have to give them these properties to justify the possibility of UFOs being aliens, I guess.

[Albrenia]

My knowledge of Physics is not the greatest, but to my knowledge even an Anti-Matter drive would not enable something to travel at the speed of light, since it would require pretty much all of the energy in the universe to make something with mass go at that speed.

You'd need to cheese the rules to go FTL, which may well be possible, but we don't know how yet.

[Ethel mermania]

If they figure out near light speed travel, they could figure out cloaking.

...why? What about "cloaking" makes it a logical next step from developing gigantic super-powerful engines and ships that can cross between stars?

A better question would be why would they use it coming to earth.

I would assume based on the energy needs of even near light travel they would use some sort of anti matter drive.

...again, what? Maybe they're only a few hundred years ahead and using fusion! Or maybe they're like Lumen thinks and they're using some insane hyperdrive and are millions of years beyond what we could even imagine!

Why, having never encountered aliens, does anyone assume we know anything about what they might be like?

If you can go .9C and not blow the fuck up when hitting a piece of space dust, Cloaking would be a piece of cake. We can cloak planes now. I have no idea what an alien would be like, this is all something called speculation.