Are Religion and Science Compatible? 2.0

[Washington Resistance Army]

In regards to the biblical flood, it's pretty clearly just a holdover from other mythologies from the region. The Sumerians and Akkadians had tales about the gods flooding the earth and someone surviving by taking his family and beasts onto a boat thousands of years before the bible was compiled. It's a common theme for the area.

[Valrifell]

In regards to the biblical flood, it's pretty clearly just a holdover from other mythologies from the region. The Sumerians and Akkadians had tales about the gods flooding the earth and someone surviving by taking his family and beasts onto a boat thousands of years before the bible was compiled. It's a common theme for the area.

Probably related to a historical flood that occurred at some point in the past that was real bad.

[Salus Maior]

In regards to the biblical flood, it's pretty clearly just a holdover from other mythologies from the region. The Sumerians and Akkadians had tales about the gods flooding the earth and someone surviving by taking his family and beasts onto a boat thousands of years before the bible was compiled. It's a common theme for the area.

Probably related to a historical flood that occurred at some point in the past that was real bad.

IIRC the Tigris and Euphrates flood pretty bad annually. Or at least it did.

[Ayytaly]

Since science is based on evidence, logic, and facts, I'd say that religion is incompatible with science. Religion is something that can't necessarily be proved (at least, not when it matters the most, a.k.a when everyone isn't already dead), so if you're founded in science, maybe religion isn't something that's compatible for you.

However, you don't need faith to believe in and understand science. You can still believe in the theory of evolution without believing that humans evolved from apes (or similar). You can still believe in the Big Bang Theory while also believing in the divine. In this sense, science can be compatible with religion if you so choose. It all depends on what your beliefs are fundamentally rooted in: things that must be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, or things that at least seem believable.

I'll be honest, I lean more towards religion than I do science, but I don't discount science at all and believe that the two can coexist without stepping on each other. At least, ideally. Obviously, corruption exists that threatens such a coexistence, but I don't believe you have to subscribe to religion or science exclusively.

Most of this I don't necessarily take issue with, but like... humans are apes. Categorically.

We're just a less hairy and more slimmer version of them, but still just as primal. Apes, for example, trample every outsider to death. What goes for apes goes even more for human beings.

Oh, please. This entire thread is full of anti-religious guilt-by-association rhetorics, and you have a history of partaking in some of them.

You really did abandon any claim of moral superiority you may have had when you basically mocked another poster for having an ill family member who died. Thankfully you edited your post later, though.

You should probably apologise to them, to be honest.

I didn't mock his old man, I mocked his "blame God" tactic that reminded me of how early 2010s Reddit user hiveminds acted online.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

I didn't mock his old man, I mocked his "blame God" tactic that reminded me of how early 2010s Reddit user hiveminds acted online.

You claimed his father was responsible for his own Alzheimer's, which is insulting in addition to not understanding how Alzheimer's works. (Don't mock people about their personal losses.)

Also, it's called the Problem of Evil. He's not blaming God, he's saying that a benevolent god would not allow that kind of natural suffering.

[Albrenia]

You really did abandon any claim of moral superiority you may have had when you basically mocked another poster for having an ill family member who died. Thankfully you edited your post later, though.

You should probably apologise to them, to be honest.

I didn't mock his old man, I mocked his "blame God" tactic that reminded me of how early 2010s Reddit user hiveminds acted online.

That doesn't make it better. Don't mock people for losing a loved one.

[Salus Maior]

As someone who has to watch his father devolve further and further into early-onset alzheimer's by the day, if God exists, he's a fucking asshole.

Everyone goes through hardships, and egregious ones. I still remember to this day what my Papa looked like the last time I saw him, in the final stages of liver cancer, even though he did nothing to deserve that and lived a totally upright and health-focused life.

But that's only one part of life, something we hyper-focus on to the exclusion of others, and while there's understandable reasons for that there's a wider picture where's there's a great deal of good.

[Ayytaly]

I didn't mock his old man, I mocked his "blame God" tactic that reminded me of how early 2010s Reddit user hiveminds acted online.

You claimed his father was responsible for his own Alzheimer's, which is insulting in addition to not understanding how Alzheimer's works. (Don't mock people about their personal losses.)

Also, it's called the Problem of Evil. He's not blaming God, he's saying that a benevolent god would not allow that kind of natural suffering.

Blame Man, then. Or just accept the cruel experience that is life.

I didn't mock his old man, I mocked his "blame God" tactic that reminded me of how early 2010s Reddit user hiveminds acted online.

That doesn't make it better. Don't mock people for losing a loved one.

Are you positioning yourself on higher moral grounds now?

[Albrenia]

You claimed his father was responsible for his own Alzheimer's, which is insulting in addition to not understanding how Alzheimer's works. (Don't mock people about their personal losses.)

Also, it's called the Problem of Evil. He's not blaming God, he's saying that a benevolent god would not allow that kind of natural suffering.

Blame Man, then. Or just accept the cruel experience that is life.

That doesn't make it better. Don't mock people for losing a loved one.

Are you positioning yourself on higher moral grounds now?

I'm asking you not to mock people for having dead loved ones, or for taking the loss hard. My own morality has little bearing on it.

[La Xinga]

I really hope you don't expect your future spouse to have such prodigious stamina as you attest to Adam and Eve.

I mean this is coming from the same book where they allegedly lived to be 324 years old or something like that when most people would've died at like 50.

Uh...

one guy lived till 969.

It's not crazy. No one actually dies.

[Neutraligon]

I mean this is coming from the same book where they allegedly lived to be 324 years old or something like that when most people would've died at like 50.

Uh...

one guy lived till 969.

It's not crazy. No one actually dies.

Likely has to do with a strange way of counting.

[Ayytaly]

Blame Man, then. Or just accept the cruel experience that is life.



Are you positioning yourself on higher moral grounds now?

I'm asking you not to mock people for having dead loved ones, or for taking the loss hard. My own morality has little bearing on it.

Telling someone to apologize involves a sense of (one's personal perception of) morality.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

Blame Man, then.

What about natural disasters and disease? They aren't exactly the fault of Man.

Or just accept the cruel experience that is life.

I do. However, the fact that life is a cruel experience eliminates the possibility of an all-loving and all-powerful being, as such a being would not allow life to be a cruel experience.

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

I didn't mock his old man, I mocked his "blame God" tactic that reminded me of how early 2010s Reddit user hiveminds acted online.

You claimed his father was responsible for his own Alzheimer's, which is insulting in addition to not understanding how Alzheimer's works. (Don't mock people about their personal losses.)

Also, it's called the Problem of Evil. He's not blaming God, he's saying that a benevolent god would not allow that kind of natural suffering.

People who say that a loving god would not let suffering happen seem to not get the point of trials and tribulations. In my own faith, I believe that I had a pre-mortal life where I accepted the plan of salvation, to go from being a spirit child to living with our Heavenly Father again. We must be tried, and while some situations may seem unjust or abhorrent, that is not a ground to despise a creator. We humans have tendencies to not think with an eternal or future perspective, inclined to want to avoid suffering altogether. It's in our genetic code-- self-preservation. I feel like if I didn't have any trials, and if humans weren't trusted, we couldn't become more like Him, or follow the example of Jesus, who suffered and was tested with every sin. Jesus initially blamed god when he was about to die, but deep down, he knew what to do. Joseph Smith knew he was going to die, and martyred himself. The apostles gave up their lives to spread the word. I don't question God's motives, I question **our** pessimism.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

In certain religious denominations? No, they’re not compatible at all. In others? Probably.

[La Xinga]

Uh...

one guy lived till 969.

It's not crazy. No one actually dies.

Likely has to do with a strange way of counting.

Throws in......

Le question mark?

[Cameroi]

science and reality are compatible. not infallible, but compatible.
whether or not 'religion' chooses to be, is up to itself.

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

science and reality are compatible. not infallible, but compatible.
whether or not 'religion' chooses to be, is up to itself.

thank you, brother!

[Albrenia]

I'm asking you not to mock people for having dead loved ones, or for taking the loss hard. My own morality has little bearing on it.

Telling someone to apologize involves a sense of (one's personal perception of) morality.

True, but to assume I am 'more moral' than you would imply I've never done anything worth apologising for, which would be untrue. We all mess up sometimes.

[Neutraligon]

science and reality are compatible. not infallible, but compatible.
whether or not 'religion' chooses to be, is up to itself.

Using some other base, rather then base 10 as n example. I believe there where civilizations that used base 60.

[Jedi Council]

You claimed his father was responsible for his own Alzheimer's, which is insulting in addition to not understanding how Alzheimer's works. (Don't mock people about their personal losses.)

Also, it's called the Problem of Evil. He's not blaming God, he's saying that a benevolent god would not allow that kind of natural suffering.

People who say that a loving god would not let suffering happen seem to not get the point of trials and tribulations. In my own faith, I believe that I had a pre-mortal life where I accepted the plan of salvation, to go from being a spirit child to living with our Heavenly Father again. We must be tried, and while some situations may seem unjust or abhorrent, that is not a ground to despise a creator. We humans have tendencies to not think with an eternal or future perspective, inclined to want to avoid suffering altogether. It's in our genetic code-- self-preservation. I feel like if I didn't have any trials, and if humans weren't trusted, we couldn't become more like Him, or follow the example of Jesus, who suffered and was tested with every sin. Jesus initially blamed god when he was about to die, but deep down, he knew what to do. Joseph Smith knew he was going to die, and martyred himself. The apostles gave up their lives to spread the word. I don't question God's motives, I question **our** pessimism.

This is an excellent example of how religion and faith are absolutely disgusting to any rational person, or anyone who values human life.

The idea that a God we are supposed to love, and who is supposed to love us, would design a world which has the capacity for such injustice, and outright evil, is incredibly insulting. Claiming that intense suffering is a test, or a trial, from a higher power makes that higher power worthy of not only derision, but total and utter rejection. It should offend anyone who values life that a supposed God thinks that pain, torture, and suffering on untold thousands and million is justified by the fact that there "might" be an afterlife where we can live forever.

I honestly do not know how someone can look another human being in the eye, someone who has suffered a personal loss, like the poster several pages ago, or a larger tragedy like natural disasters, and say "This is a trial," or "God works in mysterious ways," or the many other utterly offensive platitudes offered up by the Faithful. It is an abhorrent way to view the world and an absolutely terrible thing to say to someone who is suffering.

If God is real, and allows these things to occur as a test of faith, he is an incredible narcissist, and a total psychopath, who is not worth a second thought from anyone.

[Albrenia]

*sigh*

I guess we're going with 'hostile' in this thread then.

I'mma just be here humming 'why can't we be friends?'.

[La Xinga]

*sigh*

I guess we're going with 'hostile' in this thread then.

I'mma just be here humming 'why can't we be friends?'.

I officially appoint you as...

BUMP IDI BUMP!

The nice person of the thread

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

*sigh*

I guess we're going with 'hostile' in this thread then.

I'mma just be here humming 'why can't we be friends?'.

Some people have strong beliefs, and it's not our job to mock or belittle them. I'm personally not upset by this, and am comfortable knowing things will be alright in the end. NS Forums are the absolute last place to get worked up over.

[Hanafuridake]

*sigh*

I guess we're going with 'hostile' in this thread then.

I'mma just be here humming 'why can't we be friends?'.

Everything seemed relatively mild until someone insulted another person's mentally disabled father.