Are Religion and Science Compatible? 2.0

[Godular]

Prove it. Independently verifiable and reproducible evidence, please.



The Centipoids of the Unimaginable Benevolent Empire of Skzzz find your views misinformed and would like to challenge you to a bout of battle-debate. Make sure you get plenty of practice in before the bout, as their chosen speaker has over 700 confirmed kills.

I'm going to start off with Judaism.

Let's say it WAS made up, which it wasn't, but fine.

Now whoever made this up needs to have people, right?

SKITTY SKIT TIME!

Hello? Uh, G-d spoke to me and told me this. Ya interested?

Suppose the guy doesn't slam the door in your face.

Ok, what does it say?

Well it says you need to keep kosher, close your business on Saturda-

You crazy? You want me to close my business every Saturday?

WAIT UP! Give 10% of your money to charity, give 12% of your produce to the priests, don't cut off your beard and leave the sides of your hair complete. You also need to give your male child a circumcision on the 8th day! If you area farmer, every seventh eyar you cannot work on your field.

A-lot of people in those days were farmers, so that was horrifying to hear!

OH WAIT! When you plant a fruit tree, you can't eat from its fruit for the next three years! OH WAIT, the 4th year you need to bring it to Jerusalem to eat!

If the guy didn't slam the door in your face yet, oh boy!

No one would accept something that tells you to allow poor people to collect funny-looking bundles of grapes in your field, or that you can't ware wool and linen together, that you cannot mix fruit, or that you can't have 2 of the same animals plowing your field!

It msut be the Jews saw something, heard something, and had something, as no one would accept this without experience!

you were taken out of Egyp-

Wait, no i wasn't!

Right now is the Jewish Sephira, a time that you cannot make weddings (you can't do that anyway now!), get new clothing, or listen to music! Would you be fine with that?

So, no evidence then. Right, claim dismissed.

[La Xinga]

I'm going to start off with Judaism.

Let's say it WAS made up, which it wasn't, but fine.

Now whoever made this up needs to have people, right?

SKITTY SKIT TIME!

Hello? Uh, G-d spoke to me and told me this. Ya interested?

Suppose the guy doesn't slam the door in your face.

Ok, what does it say?

Well it says you need to keep kosher, close your business on Saturda-

You crazy? You want me to close my business every Saturday?

WAIT UP! Give 10% of your money to charity, give 12% of your produce to the priests, don't cut off your beard and leave the sides of your hair complete. You also need to give your male child a circumcision on the 8th day! If you area farmer, every seventh eyar you cannot work on your field.

A-lot of people in those days were farmers, so that was horrifying to hear!

OH WAIT! When you plant a fruit tree, you can't eat from its fruit for the next three years! OH WAIT, the 4th year you need to bring it to Jerusalem to eat!

If the guy didn't slam the door in your face yet, oh boy!

No one would accept something that tells you to allow poor people to collect funny-looking bundles of grapes in your field, or that you can't ware wool and linen together, that you cannot mix fruit, or that you can't have 2 of the same animals plowing your field!

It msut be the Jews saw something, heard something, and had something, as no one would accept this without experience!

you were taken out of Egyp-

Wait, no i wasn't!

Right now is the Jewish Sephira, a time that you cannot make weddings (you can't do that anyway now!), get new clothing, or listen to music! Would you be fine with that?

So, no evidence then. Right, claim dismissed.

I told you something, and you answered something strange. I told you my evidence, right here!

[Godular]

So, no evidence then. Right, claim dismissed.

I told you something, and you answered something strange. I told you my evidence, right here!

I asked for evidence and you responded with word salad. You have not met the standard that I explicitly stated. Your claim is dismissed.

[Menassa]

Prove it. Independently verifiable and reproducible evidence, please.



The Centipoids of the Unimaginable Benevolent Empire of Skzzz find your views misinformed and would like to challenge you to a bout of battle-debate. Make sure you get plenty of practice in before the bout, as their chosen speaker has over 700 confirmed kills.

I'm going to start off with Judaism.

Let's say it WAS made up, which it wasn't, but fine.

Now whoever made this up needs to have people, right?

SKITTY SKIT TIME!

Hello? Uh, G-d spoke to me and told me this. Ya interested?

Suppose the guy doesn't slam the door in your face.

Ok, what does it say?

Well it says you need to keep kosher, close your business on Saturda-

You crazy? You want me to close my business every Saturday?

WAIT UP! Give 10% of your money to charity, give 12% of your produce to the priests, don't cut off your beard and leave the sides of your hair complete. You also need to give your male child a circumcision on the 8th day! If you area farmer, every seventh eyar you cannot work on your field.

A-lot of people in those days were farmers, so that was horrifying to hear!

OH WAIT! When you plant a fruit tree, you can't eat from its fruit for the next three years! OH WAIT, the 4th year you need to bring it to Jerusalem to eat!

If the guy didn't slam the door in your face yet, oh boy!

No one would accept something that tells you to allow poor people to collect funny-looking bundles of grapes in your field, or that you can't ware wool and linen together, that you cannot mix fruit, or that you can't have 2 of the same animals plowing your field!

It msut be the Jews saw something, heard something, and had something, as no one would accept this without experience!

you were taken out of Egyp-

Wait, no i wasn't!

Right now is the Jewish Sephira, a time that you cannot make weddings (you can't do that anyway now!), get new clothing, or listen to music! Would you be fine with that?

וְאַתֶּם, הַדְּבֵקִים, בַּיהוָה, אֱלֹהֵיכֶם--חַיִּים כֻּלְּכֶם, הַיּוֹם.

[Last Breath]

Prove it. Independently verifiable and reproducible evidence, please.



The Centipoids of the Unimaginable Benevolent Empire of Skzzz find your views misinformed and would like to challenge you to a bout of battle-debate. Make sure you get plenty of practice in before the bout, as their chosen speaker has over 700 confirmed kills.

I'm going to start off with Judaism.

Let's say it WAS made up, which it wasn't, but fine.

Now whoever made this up needs to have people, right?

SKITTY SKIT TIME!

Hello? Uh, G-d spoke to me and told me this. Ya interested?

Suppose the guy doesn't slam the door in your face.

Ok, what does it say?

Well it says you need to keep kosher, close your business on Saturda-

You crazy? You want me to close my business every Saturday?

WAIT UP! Give 10% of your money to charity, give 12% of your produce to the priests, don't cut off your beard and leave the sides of your hair complete. You also need to give your male child a circumcision on the 8th day! If you area farmer, every seventh eyar you cannot work on your field.

A-lot of people in those days were farmers, so that was horrifying to hear!

OH WAIT! When you plant a fruit tree, you can't eat from its fruit for the next three years! OH WAIT, the 4th year you need to bring it to Jerusalem to eat!

If the guy didn't slam the door in your face yet, oh boy!

No one would accept something that tells you to allow poor people to collect funny-looking bundles of grapes in your field, or that you can't ware wool and linen together, that you cannot mix fruit, or that you can't have 2 of the same animals plowing your field!

It msut be the Jews saw something, heard something, and had something, as no one would accept this without experience!

you were taken out of Egyp-

Wait, no i wasn't!

Right now is the Jewish Sephira, a time that you cannot make weddings (you can't do that anyway now!), get new clothing, or listen to music! Would you be fine with that?

What a novel proof. To rebut, the reason they obeyed these dictates was because they were afraid of divine retribution. This argument is like saying that because people perpetuate those chain letters that threaten bad luck if you don't send them to everybody you know, there must be something to them.

[Menassa]

I'm going to start off with Judaism.

Let's say it WAS made up, which it wasn't, but fine.

Now whoever made this up needs to have people, right?

SKITTY SKIT TIME!

Hello? Uh, G-d spoke to me and told me this. Ya interested?

Suppose the guy doesn't slam the door in your face.

Ok, what does it say?

Well it says you need to keep kosher, close your business on Saturda-

You crazy? You want me to close my business every Saturday?

WAIT UP! Give 10% of your money to charity, give 12% of your produce to the priests, don't cut off your beard and leave the sides of your hair complete. You also need to give your male child a circumcision on the 8th day! If you area farmer, every seventh eyar you cannot work on your field.

A-lot of people in those days were farmers, so that was horrifying to hear!

OH WAIT! When you plant a fruit tree, you can't eat from its fruit for the next three years! OH WAIT, the 4th year you need to bring it to Jerusalem to eat!

If the guy didn't slam the door in your face yet, oh boy!

No one would accept something that tells you to allow poor people to collect funny-looking bundles of grapes in your field, or that you can't ware wool and linen together, that you cannot mix fruit, or that you can't have 2 of the same animals plowing your field!

It msut be the Jews saw something, heard something, and had something, as no one would accept this without experience!

you were taken out of Egyp-

Wait, no i wasn't!

Right now is the Jewish Sephira, a time that you cannot make weddings (you can't do that anyway now!), get new clothing, or listen to music! Would you be fine with that?

What a novel proof. To rebut, the reason they obeyed these dictates was because they were afraid of divine retribution. This argument is like saying that because people perpetuate those chain letters that threaten bad luck if you don't send them to everybody you know, there must be something to them.

I think it's the martyrs make poor liars claim.

[Godular]

וְאַתֶּם, הַדְּבֵקִים, בַּיהוָה, אֱלֹהֵיכֶם--חַיִּים כֻּלְּכֶם, הַיּוֹם.

I find myself amused that my computer actually highlighted this text differently than english text.

[La Xinga]

I'm going to start off with Judaism.

Let's say it WAS made up, which it wasn't, but fine.

Now whoever made this up needs to have people, right?

SKITTY SKIT TIME!

Hello? Uh, G-d spoke to me and told me this. Ya interested?

Suppose the guy doesn't slam the door in your face.

Ok, what does it say?

Well it says you need to keep kosher, close your business on Saturda-

You crazy? You want me to close my business every Saturday?

WAIT UP! Give 10% of your money to charity, give 12% of your produce to the priests, don't cut off your beard and leave the sides of your hair complete. You also need to give your male child a circumcision on the 8th day! If you area farmer, every seventh eyar you cannot work on your field.

A-lot of people in those days were farmers, so that was horrifying to hear!

OH WAIT! When you plant a fruit tree, you can't eat from its fruit for the next three years! OH WAIT, the 4th year you need to bring it to Jerusalem to eat!

If the guy didn't slam the door in your face yet, oh boy!

No one would accept something that tells you to allow poor people to collect funny-looking bundles of grapes in your field, or that you can't ware wool and linen together, that you cannot mix fruit, or that you can't have 2 of the same animals plowing your field!

It msut be the Jews saw something, heard something, and had something, as no one would accept this without experience!

you were taken out of Egyp-

Wait, no i wasn't!

Right now is the Jewish Sephira, a time that you cannot make weddings (you can't do that anyway now!), get new clothing, or listen to music! Would you be fine with that?

What a novel proof. To rebut, the reason they obeyed these dictates was because they were afraid of divine retribution. This argument is like saying that because people perpetuate those chain letters that threaten bad luck if you don't send them to everybody you know, there must be something to them.

Divine retribution? That must mean they knew a G-d exists! If not, how did it start?

I told you something, and you answered something strange. I told you my evidence, right here!

I asked for evidence and you responded with word salad. You have not met the standard that I explicitly stated. Your claim is dismissed.

It's my proof. What's your "standards?"

[Menassa]

וְאַתֶּם, הַדְּבֵקִים, בַּיהוָה, אֱלֹהֵיכֶם--חַיִּים כֻּלְּכֶם, הַיּוֹם.

I find myself amused that my computer actually highlighted this text differently than english text.

Right to left is sooo unscientific.

[Last Breath]

Divine retribution? That must mean they knew a G-d exists! If not, how did it start?

People are perfectly capable of having unrealistic fears, fear of flying for example.

[Godular]

It's my proof. What's your "standards?"

I specifically stated what they were. I'm not going to accept some random attempt at crappy logic, SPECIFICALLY an appeal to popularity. Not gonna fly, friendo.

[Godular]

I find myself amused that my computer actually highlighted this text differently than english text.

Right to left is sooo unscientific.

I just thought it was cool that the computer did that automatically.

[La Xinga]

It's my proof. What's your "standards?"

I specifically stated what they were. I'm not going to accept some random attempt at crappy logic, SPECIFICALLY an appeal to popularity. Not gonna fly, friendo.

If you want that...

Then let me say I didn't understand you. What do you mean by Independently verifiable and reproducible evidence?

[Neutraligon]

I specifically stated what they were. I'm not going to accept some random attempt at crappy logic, SPECIFICALLY an appeal to popularity. Not gonna fly, friendo.

If you want that...

Then let me say I didn't understand you. What do you mean by Independently verifiable and reproducible evidence?

What exactly is your issue with understanding those terms?

[The Alma Mater]

I specifically stated what they were. I'm not going to accept some random attempt at crappy logic, SPECIFICALLY an appeal to popularity. Not gonna fly, friendo.

If you want that...

Then let me say I didn't understand you. What do you mean by Independently verifiable and reproducible evidence?

You have never had any science classes ?

[La Xinga]

If you want that...

Then let me say I didn't understand you. What do you mean by Independently verifiable and reproducible evidence?

What exactly is your issue with understanding those terms?

I don't understand him. Can he state the definitions so I can answer him?

If you want that...

Then let me say I didn't understand you. What do you mean by Independently verifiable and reproducible evidence?

You have never had any science classes ?

What do these words have to do with science?!

[Bromagia]

Depends on what you mean by religion and what you mean by science.

[The Holy Mercurian Empire]

If you want that...

Then let me say I didn't understand you. What do you mean by Independently verifiable and reproducible evidence?

What exactly is your issue with understanding those terms?

The fact that they seem to be using scientific standards (ie, can I get the same results in a different lab with different technicians using different tools?) in a question of history - which is, by its nature, unrepeatable - might be throwing La xinga for a loop.

[Godular]

I specifically stated what they were. I'm not going to accept some random attempt at crappy logic, SPECIFICALLY an appeal to popularity. Not gonna fly, friendo.

If you want that...

Then let me say I didn't understand you. What do you mean by Independently verifiable and reproducible evidence?

Give me an experiment that will allow me to directly measure the presence of your specific God.

The point here being that you contested my position saying that Religious has some kind of tangible effect that non-religious materials and processes cannot reproduce. While I've little issue with whatever your personal conviction might be, it is specifically when one attempts to intrude upon the other side that conflict occurs. You've been trying to dictate the nature of science itself, among other arguments, in order to defend your position.

If your worldview requires you to make attempts at reformatting how science works, then very apparently your religion is not compatible with science.

[Godular]

What exactly is your issue with understanding those terms?

The fact that they seem to be using scientific standards (ie, can I get the same results in a different lab with different technicians using different tools?) in a question of history - which is, by its nature, unrepeatable - might be throwing La xinga for a loop.

Now that's just silly. History is constantly repeating itself.

[Neutraligon]

What exactly is your issue with understanding those terms?

I don't understand him. Can he state the definitions so I can answer him?

You have never had any science classes ?

What do these words have to do with science?!

Independently verifiable means that someone other then the initial person making the claim/discovery/doing the experiment is able to also determine that what was said did happen as it was said to have happened. An example I can claim that I have a dog in my basement. This is a claim that can be independently verified by someone completely unconnected to me coming over and seeing said dog in the basement, seeing the food and water available to that dog, etc. On the other than if I said I had a giant invisible dinosaur living in my basement that is completely undetectable by any means, never eats, never poops, etc then that is not independently verifiable, because no one else has the means to confirm that this does in fact exist.

Reproducible means that I am able to repeat the experiment or action under the same conditions and see the same or similar result. Example if I am standing on land on the earth and lift a pen and release it, the result will be the pen drops to the ground. I or others can repeat this over and over and over again with the same or similar results.

[The Holy Mercurian Empire]

If you want that...

Then let me say I didn't understand you. What do you mean by Independently verifiable and reproducible evidence?

Give me an experiment that will allow me to directly measure the presence of your specific God.

Now you're the one talking word salad. If God exists, then "measuring God" is a bit like "eating a verb." The existence of a test such as the one you demand would constitute falsification of the "God Hypothesis" (if you insist on speaking in such a crude manner).

[The Holy Mercurian Empire]

The fact that they seem to be using scientific standards (ie, can I get the same results in a different lab with different technicians using different tools?) in a question of history - which is, by its nature, unrepeatable - might be throwing La xinga for a loop.

Now that's just silly. History is constantly repeating itself.

Really? So Julius Caesar was assassinated multiple times?

[La Xinga]

I don't understand him. Can he state the definitions so I can answer him?
What do these words have to do with science?!

Independently verifiable means that someone other then the initial person making the claim/discovery/doing the experiment is able to also determine that what was said did happen as it was said to have happened. An example I can claim that I have a dog in my basement. This is a claim that can be independently verified by someone completely unconnected to me coming over and seeing said dog in the basement, seeing the food and water available to that dog, etc. On the other than if I said I had a giant invisible dinosaur living in my basement that is completely undetectable by any means, never eats, never poops, etc then that is not independently verifiable, because no one else has the means to confirm that this does in fact exist.

Reproducible means that I am able to repeat the experiment or action under the same conditions and see the same or similar result. Example if I am standing on land on the earth and lift a pen and release it, the result will be the pen drops to the ground. I or others can repeat this over and over and over again with the same or similar results.

Well than I cannot help him. Religion is spiritual, you cannot feel it and do experiments with it, the bible isn't a toy.

Science, that can be used however you feel like! Mix this, mix that, it's a toy! You can have fun with it with the proper gear.

If you would ask me 2 weeks ago what science means, I would say it means just having fun with chemicals, learning about the systems of plants and stuff, and generally having a good time. I would never dream that science could dare be the opposite of my faith! Before this, I watched a guy doing experiments, and it was actually amusing to me! And he's a religious guy! Why are we using Science, not Athiesm?

[Godular]

Give me an experiment that will allow me to directly measure the presence of your specific God.

Now you're the one talking word salad. If God exists, then "measuring God" is a bit like "eating a verb."

Not at all.

The existence of a test such as the one you demand would constitute falsification of the "God Hypothesis" (if you insist on speaking in such a crude manner).

Such doesn't strike me as much of a hypothesis then... how apropos.