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We call them HERETICS.


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Postby Petravia » Wed May 06, 2020 10:42 pm

Religion and science are compatible. it just depends on how you view religion and science together. if you take the bible, or any religious text at face value, you will be disappointed. however, there are many reasons god can exist within the scientific principles we know. believing there is 100% no god is just as much a faith based decision as believing there is one. I personally identify as catholic and love both science and history, because i understand the bible (at least parts of it) were written to tell a story, not a history. if you can make the distinction between historical books of the bible and metaphorical books of the bible, you can have both religion and science in your life.

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Postby Godular » Wed May 06, 2020 10:59 pm

Petravia wrote:Believing there is 100% no god is just as much a faith based decision as believing there is one.


Not true.
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Postby La Xinga » Thu May 07, 2020 6:35 am

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La xinga wrote:Wait wait wait, what do you mean by the first thing? It doesn't mean but it could be.

And.....did I say medicine?


Religion is not in itself a cure. While a religious person might use it as a motivation to give up a bad habit or some other such thing, it is not an exclusive accomplishment.

That is just your belief. The sun healed Abraham after he mad a circumcision ON HIMSELF, one of the biggest tests of all time! The sun does not equal religion of course! Science cannot either, Bcuz tell me the definition of science! G-d heals the person.

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Postby Godular » Thu May 07, 2020 7:01 am

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Religion is not in itself a cure. While a religious person might use it as a motivation to give up a bad habit or some other such thing, it is not an exclusive accomplishment.

That is just your belief.


No, it is my evidence based opinion. Trying to claim it is a ‘belief’ implies a lack of evidence, and this is not so.

The sun healed Abraham after he mad a circumcision ON HIMSELF, one of the biggest tests of all time!


Cool irrelevant story. I seem to recall other folks saying we don’t use religious texts as medical textbooks. That story is one example of why.

Science cannot either, Bcuz tell me the definition of science!


Here is one of many, but if you’re gonna start yowling about linguistic minutiae within that definition you’re barking up the wrong tree.

G-d heals the person.


Inasmuch as belief in a fairy tale can have a measurable physiological effect. I generally identify it as the ’placebo effect’ though.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 07, 2020 7:09 am

Petravia wrote:Religion and science are compatible. it just depends on how you view religion and science together. if you take the bible, or any religious text at face value, you will be disappointed. however, there are many reasons god can exist within the scientific principles we know. believing there is 100% no god is just as much a faith based decision as believing there is one. I personally identify as catholic and love both science and history, because i understand the bible (at least parts of it) were written to tell a story, not a history. if you can make the distinction between historical books of the bible and metaphorical books of the bible, you can have both religion and science in your life.

Believing there is no God and believing there is a God both don't have to be based on faith.
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Postby Godular » Thu May 07, 2020 7:17 am

Geneviev wrote:
Petravia wrote:Religion and science are compatible. it just depends on how you view religion and science together. if you take the bible, or any religious text at face value, you will be disappointed. however, there are many reasons god can exist within the scientific principles we know. believing there is 100% no god is just as much a faith based decision as believing there is one. I personally identify as catholic and love both science and history, because i understand the bible (at least parts of it) were written to tell a story, not a history. if you can make the distinction between historical books of the bible and metaphorical books of the bible, you can have both religion and science in your life.

Believing there is no God and believing there is a God both don't have to be based on faith.


‘There is no God’ might well be grounded in faith for certain folks, but it also happens to be the logical default.
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Petravia wrote:Religion and science are compatible. it just depends on how you view religion and science together. if you take the bible, or any religious text at face value, you will be disappointed. however, there are many reasons god can exist within the scientific principles we know. believing there is 100% no god is just as much a faith based decision as believing there is one. I personally identify as catholic and love both science and history, because i understand the bible (at least parts of it) were written to tell a story, not a history. if you can make the distinction between historical books of the bible and metaphorical books of the bible, you can have both religion and science in your life.


Disbelief is not a type of faith.

Do you believe there is a pink horse standing inside your bathroom right now? There could be, it's not impossible, but you don't have a reason to believe it, so you don't. That isn't faith, that's just lack of belief.
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Postby Bolindia » Thu May 07, 2020 7:22 am

Heloin wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Also, Christianity does not support a flat Earth, flat Earthers come to such a conclusion based on misinterpretations.

I don't know, I've heard some good things about this gigantic turtle.


Where the fuck did you get a giant turtle, damn you so ignorant, do you think people who have a religion are all idiots if so, than I feel sorry for you. And yes Science and Christianity can be compatible because I go to a Christian school and my biology teacher who is also Christian teaches about evolution and the Big Bang theory. And our science department is pretty huge as we have a DECA program, and a thousand dollar telescope on the campus and we regularly send experiments up to the International Space Station.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 07, 2020 7:34 am

Godular wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Believing there is no God and believing there is a God both don't have to be based on faith.


‘There is no God’ might well be grounded in faith for certain folks, but it also happens to be the logical default.

For certain people, yes.

Bolindia wrote:
Heloin wrote:I don't know, I've heard some good things about this gigantic turtle.


Where the fuck did you get a giant turtle, damn you so ignorant, do you think people who have a religion are all idiots if so, than I feel sorry for you.

Here's the giant turtle. It's a real belief, so you don't have to feel sorry for anyone. :)
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Postby Godular » Thu May 07, 2020 7:57 am

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Petravia wrote:Religion and science are compatible. it just depends on how you view religion and science together. if you take the bible, or any religious text at face value, you will be disappointed. however, there are many reasons god can exist within the scientific principles we know. believing there is 100% no god is just as much a faith based decision as believing there is one. I personally identify as catholic and love both science and history, because i understand the bible (at least parts of it) were written to tell a story, not a history. if you can make the distinction between historical books of the bible and metaphorical books of the bible, you can have both religion and science in your life.


Disbelief is not a type of faith.

Do you believe there is a pink horse standing inside your bathroom right now? There could be, it's not impossible, but you don't have a reason to believe it, so you don't. That isn't faith, that's just lack of belief.


It's an invisible pink unicorn and its name is Larry. We generally exchange jokes while I'm using the restroom, but it always turns into toilet humor.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu May 07, 2020 8:02 am

Bolindia wrote:...Christianity can be compatible because I go to a Christian school and my biology teacher who is also Christian teaches about evolution and the Big Bang theory...


Rather depends on what they teach about evolution and the Big Bang theory.
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Postby Godular » Thu May 07, 2020 8:04 am

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Bolindia wrote:...Christianity can be compatible because I go to a Christian school and my biology teacher who is also Christian teaches about evolution and the Big Bang theory...


Rather depends on what they teach about evolution and the Big Bang theory.


Aye, this is true.
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Postby La Xinga » Thu May 07, 2020 8:12 am

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La xinga wrote:That is just your belief.


No, it is my evidence based opinion. Trying to claim it is a ‘belief’ implies a lack of evidence, and this is not so.

The sun healed Abraham after he mad a circumcision ON HIMSELF, one of the biggest tests of all time!


Cool irrelevant story. I seem to recall other folks saying we don’t use religious texts as medical textbooks. That story is one example of why.

Science cannot either, Bcuz tell me the definition of science!


Here is one of many, but if you’re gonna start yowling about linguistic minutiae within that definition you’re barking up the wrong tree.

G-d heals the person.


Inasmuch as belief in a fairy tale can have a measurable physiological effect. I generally identify it as the ’placebo effect’ though.

Sir/maam, please tell me your evidence then.
And no, everything is in religion for me, which includes medicine. Every subject is in it.
Science does not mean medicine, so how can that heal you?
Wait wait wait......it's not a fairy tale, it's reality! MAJOR DIFFERENCE!

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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 07, 2020 8:15 am

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Bolindia wrote:...Christianity can be compatible because I go to a Christian school and my biology teacher who is also Christian teaches about evolution and the Big Bang theory...


Rather depends on what they teach about evolution and the Big Bang theory.

I'd assume it's correct.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu May 07, 2020 8:22 am

Bolindia wrote:
Heloin wrote:I don't know, I've heard some good things about this gigantic turtle.


Where the fuck did you get a giant turtle, damn you so ignorant, do you think people who have a religion are all idiots if so, than I feel sorry for you.


Avatar Kurma (which means turtle) is part of the worlds oldest still practiced and third largest religion.
How can you not know about it ?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu May 07, 2020 8:24 am

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Petravia wrote:Religion and science are compatible. it just depends on how you view religion and science together. if you take the bible, or any religious text at face value, you will be disappointed. however, there are many reasons god can exist within the scientific principles we know. believing there is 100% no god is just as much a faith based decision as believing there is one. I personally identify as catholic and love both science and history, because i understand the bible (at least parts of it) were written to tell a story, not a history. if you can make the distinction between historical books of the bible and metaphorical books of the bible, you can have both religion and science in your life.


Disbelief is not a type of faith.

Do you believe there is a pink horse standing inside your bathroom right now? There could be, it's not impossible, but you don't have a reason to believe it, so you don't. That isn't faith, that's just lack of belief.

You could just use Russels teapot. It exists for this reason.
Or does not exist. It is all a matter of faith.
Very quantum. Very sciencey.
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Postby Poskistan » Thu May 07, 2020 8:27 am

Id say no since a good number of people I’ve meet in my life have used religion to disprove science even though the science in question was an established fact.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu May 07, 2020 8:32 am

Geneviev wrote:
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Rather depends on what they teach about evolution and the Big Bang theory.

I'd assume it's correct.


I tend not to, particularly when people pair them together like that.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 07, 2020 8:46 am

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Geneviev wrote:I'd assume it's correct.


I tend not to, particularly when people pair them together like that.

I am confused by the Big Bang theory being biology. But maybe they just teach controversial science all at once.
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Postby Godular » Thu May 07, 2020 8:47 am

La xinga wrote:
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No, it is my evidence based opinion. Trying to claim it is a ‘belief’ implies a lack of evidence, and this is not so.



Cool irrelevant story. I seem to recall other folks saying we don’t use religious texts as medical textbooks. That story is one example of why.



Here is one of many, but if you’re gonna start yowling about linguistic minutiae within that definition you’re barking up the wrong tree.



Inasmuch as belief in a fairy tale can have a measurable physiological effect. I generally identify it as the ’placebo effect’ though.

Sir/maam, please tell me your evidence then.


The fact that atheists can accomplish the same result. There is no functional difference between using religion as a source of motivation and using one's family/friends/having-read-a-decent-book.

And no, everything is in religion for me, which includes medicine. Every subject is in it.


That is just your 'belief'.

Science does not mean medicine, so how can that heal you?


Somehow, I knew you were going to try to argue semantics. I even tried to cut you off, but you pushed on anyway. Props for determination, I suppose.

Science produces medicine, which heals you. Religion produces wishful thinking, which when used in lieu of medicine typically results in coffins.

Wait wait wait......it's not a fairy tale, it's reality!


No, it is not.
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Postby Godular » Thu May 07, 2020 8:49 am

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Where the fuck did you get a giant turtle, damn you so ignorant, do you think people who have a religion are all idiots if so, than I feel sorry for you.


Avatar Kurma (which means turtle) is part of the worlds oldest still practiced and third largest religion.
How can you not know about it ?


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Postby Alvecia » Thu May 07, 2020 8:49 am

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I tend not to, particularly when people pair them together like that.

I am confused by the Big Bang theory being biology. But maybe they just teach controversial science all at once.

There's no controversy surrounding the big bang or evolution. That's just something made up by the minority that reject them to make their side of it sound more "equal", when it's anything but.

It's like calling "round earth" a controversial subject.

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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 07, 2020 8:51 am

Alvecia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I am confused by the Big Bang theory being biology. But maybe they just teach controversial science all at once.

There's no controversy surrounding the big bang or evolution. That's just something made up by the minority that reject them to make their side of it sound more "equal", when it's anything but.

It's like calling "round earth" a controversial subject.

It shouldn't be controversial, but realistically, it is. The minority made it controversial.
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