Are Religion and Science Compatible? 2.0

[Geneviev]

I am against the Bible-thumping of evangelicals whom use charity as an excuse to proselytize.

Yes, people who do this should get their own special little hell.

At least they're still trying to help people. There are others who do nothing at all.

[Bombadil]

Okay, when my region was affected by a natural disaster, I didn't remember most of the resources being handed out by medical organizations. I'm not sure why you think this is such a humiliating put down to me or somehow detracts from my point about the contribution of religion to human betterment. Unless your goal is to simply make fun of me in the hope that I'll go away and you don't have to actually address my point...

I did address your point, you said medical communities don't tend to organise to help, I gave examples where they do. And nowhere in my original point did I say, or even imply, that religious people can't, or indeed don't often, do good things. I also did not liken anyone to drug dealers.

This current pandemic alone, who's of more value here, pastors.. some of whom are openly defying common sense and putting their flocks in danger, or the medical community.

In fact I did have a thought, what if there is a god, what is he saying with this virus? Is it a punishment, for what? It's pretty random in its victims though certainly hitting the poor harder, when did God side with the rich?

Or.. is he saying 'I didn't create you to sit around pandering to me, judging others, I have given you all the tools required to become gods of your own domain. Make use of your medical knowledge rather than pointlessly sitting on your knees asking for my assistance. Stop relying on me to do everything and go out and do it yourselves, that is why I made you'.

That would make more sense to me

[Ayytaly]

Science under secular rule killed a lot of people.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

Science under secular rule killed a lot of people.

[Bombadil]

Science under secular rule killed a lot of people.

Science doesn't kill people, people do.. or something like that, science merely helps.

[Valrifell]

Science under secular rule killed a lot of people.

There weren't inquisitions rooting out folks for going against scientific orthodoxy, though.

[Ayytaly]

Science under secular rule killed a lot of people.

Science doesn't kill people, people do.. or something like that, science merely helps.

Science blew Japan to the moon. Religion... uhh... tells us murder is a sin, but it's all bunk, so science did nothing wrong

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

Science doesn't kill people, people do.. or something like that, science merely helps.

Science blew Japan to the moon. Religion... uhh... tells us murder is a sin, but it's all bunk, so science did nothing wrong

No, the American government used science to blow up Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There's a key difference.

[Valrifell]

Science doesn't kill people, people do.. or something like that, science merely helps.

Science blew Japan to the moon. Religion... uhh... tells us murder is a sin, but it's all bunk, so science did nothing wrong

Nobody has been killed in the name of Newton or Darwin, science as the natural progression of technology just lets us develop new, fun, and exciting tools for mass slaughter. This is a point against the existence of war and not an excuse to call science as bad or whatever.

[Bombadil]

Science doesn't kill people, people do.. or something like that, science merely helps.

Science blew Japan to the moon. Religion... uhh... tells us murder is a sin, but it's all bunk, so science did nothing wrong

God flooded the entire planet aside from a drunk, his family and a menagerie of animals. Near every religion has a flood story with some supreme being or another getting angry that people were having fun instead of devoting their lives to them.

[Valrifell]

Science blew Japan to the moon. Religion... uhh... tells us murder is a sin, but it's all bunk, so science did nothing wrong

No, the American government used science to blow up Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There's a key difference.

Atomic fission is also one of the greatest sources of clean energy known to man, so it's not as if atomic research is bad. Further, several atomic researchers advocate for nuclear disarmament.

[The Cosmic Mainframe]

No, the American government used science to blow up Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There's a key difference.

Atomic fission is also one of the greatest sources of clean energy known to man, so it's not as if atomic research is bad. Further, several atomic researchers advocate for nuclear disarmament.

I absolutely agree.

[Neanderthaland]

No, the American government used science to blow up Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There's a key difference.

Atomic fission is also one of the greatest sources of clean energy known to man, so it's not as if atomic research is bad. Further, several atomic researchers advocate for nuclear disarmament.

Meanwhile in Japan, religious devotion was flying people into ships.

[Ayytaly]

Science blew Japan to the moon. Religion... uhh... tells us murder is a sin, but it's all bunk, so science did nothing wrong

No, the American government used science to blow up Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There's a key difference.

Science blew Japan to the moon. Religion... uhh... tells us murder is a sin, but it's all bunk, so science did nothing wrong

Nobody has been killed in the name of Newton or Darwin, science as the natural progression of technology just lets us develop new, fun, and exciting tools for mass slaughter. This is a point against the existence of war and not an excuse to call science as bad or whatever.

Ed Teller (creator of the H-bomb) said that politics should decide what's right or wrong, not science.

[Valrifell]

No, the American government used science to blow up Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There's a key difference.

Nobody has been killed in the name of Newton or Darwin, science as the natural progression of technology just lets us develop new, fun, and exciting tools for mass slaughter. This is a point against the existence of war and not an excuse to call science as bad or whatever.

Ed Teller (creator of the H-bomb) said that politics should decide what's right or wrong, not science.

Oookay so you'll admit that you can't apply morality to science and your original statement was goofy?

[Ayytaly]

Ed Teller (creator of the H-bomb) said that politics should decide what's right or wrong, not science.

Oookay so you'll admit that you can't apply morality to science and your original statement was goofy?

What?

[Bombadil]

Meanwhile god has unleashed a virus that has killed at least as many as the atomic bombs, put millions more out of work and provided no real reason for it. Fine, AIDS was because of the gays, noted dude, but this one?

Again it's up to the scientific community to try and put a stop to another of gods whimsies.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Science blew Japan to the moon. Religion... uhh... tells us murder is a sin, but it's all bunk, so science did nothing wrong

God flooded the entire planet aside from a drunk, his family and a menagerie of animals. Near every religion has a flood story with some supreme being or another getting angry that people were having fun instead of devoting their lives to them.

I wouldn't really say that's true. Maybe ones derived from the middle east have a common story like that, but there's a LOT of religions out there.

[Unluckistan]

On one hand, Religion, at least Christianity is not supposed to be taken literally. Religion is supposed to be a philosophy of thinking and a moral code and it has had a tremendous impact on society and science. Our society’s laws and what we think is right or wrong (in the west) is heavily influenced by Christianity (10 commandments for example).

On the other hand, science is supposed to describe the physical world to the best of our knowledge, being constantly updated as more information is available. Science is supposed to be objective and taken literally.

They are different in methodology and pursue different purposes and as such are compatible. It’s not surprising that religious scientists exist (for the sake of argument… some might actually be closed atheists but it’s not reasonable that they all are):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C ... %80%932100)

To summerise, just think for yourselves and be decent to people.
EDIT: and yes! People kill people. Both religious or secular societies have their fair share of atrocities.

[Bombadil]

God flooded the entire planet aside from a drunk, his family and a menagerie of animals. Near every religion has a flood story with some supreme being or another getting angry that people were having fun instead of devoting their lives to them.

I wouldn't really say that's true. Maybe ones derived from the middle east have a common story like that, but there's a LOT of religions out there.

Nah..

[Washington Resistance Army]

I wouldn't really say that's true. Maybe ones derived from the middle east have a common story like that, but there's a LOT of religions out there.

Nah..

Given most estimates in the field put us over 4,000 individual religions I feel this actually proves my point. Yeah, flood myths do exist around the world, but to claim nearly all of those 4,000+ religions has them as a theme is a bit of a stretch.

[Bombadil]

Nah..

Given most estimates in the field put us over 4,000 individual religions I feel this actually proves my point. Yeah, flood myths do exist around the world, but to claim nearly all of those 4,000+ religions has them as a theme is a bit of a stretch.

Perhaps, I mean given most early civilisations would be near major rivers that are prone to great flooding it's not unlikely there'd be flood origination stories in most cultures but, by the by..

[Ayytaly]

Meanwhile god has unleashed a virus that has killed at least as many as the atomic bombs, put millions more out of work and provided no real reason for it. Fine, AIDS was because of the gays, noted dude, but this one?

Again it's up to the scientific community to try and put a stop to another of gods whimsies.

The virus originated from an atheist state. Goodness, this "blame God" canard spouted ad nauseam sounds like a conspiracy theory from fringe groups!

[Neanderthaland]

Meanwhile god has unleashed a virus that has killed at least as many as the atomic bombs, put millions more out of work and provided no real reason for it. Fine, AIDS was because of the gays, noted dude, but this one?

Again it's up to the scientific community to try and put a stop to another of gods whimsies.

The virus originated from an atheist state. Goodness, this "blame God" canard spouted ad nauseam sounds like a conspiracy theory from fringe groups!

Surely God knew the virus would spread? I mean, I did. So it seems like it's something a god could have realized...

[Albrenia]

Science under secular rule killed a lot of people.

A number of people have been killed with 'Science' as the direct motivator, admittedly. Those subjected to Nazi's hideous experiments and the like would be in that number. However, I'm not aware of modern-type secularism (religion has no political power but is protected as a freedom of the individual) having a body count at all.

Those who have been killed in the direct name of religion though, is vast and stretches back to long before the birth of Christ. I wouldn't hold it up as the moral example, to be honest.

Not that this has much to do with the topic, once again.