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Are Religion and Science Compatible? 2.0

Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:11 am

The last one got locked because it died.
But have at it, is religion and science compatible at all? Somewhat? What religions or views are compatible?
Here is the link to the original thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=475180
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:13 am

They are absolutely compatible unless a believer follows things that are objectively false, like the planet being a few thousand years old or being descended from only two people or whatever.
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Postby Nemohsis » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:16 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:The last one got locked because it died.
But have at it, is religion and science compatible at all? Somewhat? What religions or views are compatible?


Islam is an interesting case. Since I'm not to well read on the topic, I'll say no more.

It's just I think Christianity in this topic is a bit too argued over and is a bit stale, so Islam is next number-wise.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:16 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:They are absolutely compatible unless a believer follows things that are objectively false, like the planet being a few thousand years old or being descended from only two people or whatever.

Can you prove that evolution is objective or disprove that the planet is a few thousand years old?
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Postby Heloin » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:17 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:The last one got locked because it died.
But have at it, is religion and science compatible at all? Somewhat? What religions or views are compatible?

You're still going to have to beef up that OP a bit. What's your opinion?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:They are absolutely compatible unless a believer follows things that are objectively false, like the planet being a few thousand years old or being descended from only two people or whatever.

We all know that we all exist on the back of a giant turtle.

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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:17 am

Nemohsis wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:The last one got locked because it died.
But have at it, is religion and science compatible at all? Somewhat? What religions or views are compatible?


Islam is an interesting case. Since I'm not to well read on the topic, I'll say no more.

Fair enough.
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"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!"- Romans 1: 21-25

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:18 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:The last one got locked because it died.
But have at it, is religion and science compatible at all? Somewhat? What religions or views are compatible?

I would suggest you copy or link the OP of the last one. As it is, your OP is kinda thin.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:18 am

Heloin wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:The last one got locked because it died.
But have at it, is religion and science compatible at all? Somewhat? What religions or views are compatible?

You're still going to have to beef up that OP a bit. What's your opinion?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:They are absolutely compatible unless a believer follows things that are objectively false, like the planet being a few thousand years old or being descended from only two people or whatever.

We all know that we all exist on the back of a giant turtle.

Alright, I'll add my own opinion and case.
Also, Christianity does not support a flat Earth, flat Earthers come to such a conclusion based on misinterpretations.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:19 am

Farnhamia wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:The last one got locked because it died.
But have at it, is religion and science compatible at all? Somewhat? What religions or views are compatible?

I would suggest you copy of link the OP of the last one. As it is, your OP is kinda thin.

Alright.
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"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!"- Romans 1: 21-25

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Postby Last Breath » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:19 am

There is no reason a religious person couldn't have scientific beliefs, but the epistemological concepts behind the two institutions are fundamentally incompatible. Religion demands belief regardless of evidence, whilst Science requires a state of continual inquiry.
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Postby Godular » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:19 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:They are absolutely compatible unless a believer follows things that are objectively false, like the planet being a few thousand years old or being descended from only two people or whatever.

1. Can you prove that evolution is objective or 2. disprove that the planet is a few thousand years old?


1. While nothing is objective, evolution does have significant amounts of evidence to support it as the best explanation of natural phenomena.

2. Radiometric dating says the 6000 year thingie is ubermax bullshit.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:20 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:They are absolutely compatible unless a believer follows things that are objectively false, like the planet being a few thousand years old or being descended from only two people or whatever.

Can you prove that evolution is objective or disprove that the planet is a few thousand years old?


Yeah, lab experiments with flies under controlled conditions have shown evolution to be objective fact. With enough time and money you can watch it play out in real time on successive generations of things like flies.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:21 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Can you prove that evolution is objective or disprove that the planet is a few thousand years old?


Yeah, lab experiments with flies under controlled conditions have shown evolution to be objective fact. With enough time and money you can watch it play out in real time on successive generations of things like flies.

Have flies ever become anything other than flies? Not that we've seen.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:21 am

Christianity/Islam/Judaism cannot coexist with science, because science is all about proving things through experiments or observations and conclusive data while religion is about faith.

The fact of the matter is we do not know if there is a God or not. There is no conclusive proof that any religion is the right religion and religion would not survive under peer review. Religious people will beg to differ, but I can easily call their claims into question. Where is the conclusive solid evidence that your God exists? The universe existing isn't even conclusive proof of a God, let alone your God. Where is your proof that Jesus rose from the dead? Where is your proof that God has a plan? You have none. But I have some circumstantial evidence that you're wrong. I won't call it conclusive because it hasn't gone through rigorous experimentation, but I can't see how children could starve and die when there is an all knowing, all loving and all powerful God. He clearly would know they're starving, would want to help them cause he loves them and would help them because he can. Instead people constantly beg God for help to no avail. They die pleading for their lives. Clearly either there is no God or God isn't all knowing, all powerful or all loving. Evolution is a fact proven by science. Creationism is not, nor is anything else in religion apart from certain historic events.
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Postby Godular » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:22 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah, lab experiments with flies under controlled conditions have shown evolution to be objective fact. With enough time and money you can watch it play out in real time on successive generations of things like flies.

Have flies ever become anything other than flies? Not that we've seen.


We've seen it in birds, and we can particularly see it happen in bacteria.
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The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah, lab experiments with flies under controlled conditions have shown evolution to be objective fact. With enough time and money you can watch it play out in real time on successive generations of things like flies.

Have flies ever become anything other than flies? Not that we've seen.


There's no difference between micro and macro evolution. If you accept one, which has been proven under lab conditions to exist, you have to accept the other.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:22 am

Godular wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:1. Can you prove that evolution is objective or 2. disprove that the planet is a few thousand years old?


1. While nothing is objective, evolution does have significant amounts of evidence to support it as the best explanation of natural phenomena.

2. Radiometric dating says the 6000 year thingie is ubermax bullshit.


1. I agree, which is why many people agree with it.

2. If fossils are millions of years old, and Carbon-14 takes only 60,000 years to decay, why is there Carbon-14 found in fossils?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:23 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:They are absolutely compatible unless a believer follows things that are objectively false, like the planet being a few thousand years old or being descended from only two people or whatever.

Can you prove that evolution is objective or disprove that the planet is a few thousand years old?


The scientists have proven through carbon dating that life existing on this planet long before 3000 years ago and that it has evolved since then. Some lifeforms evolve during the course of human lives, such as bacteria or viruses. This has been directly observed. Can you prove the Bible is accurate without citing the bible?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:23 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Godular wrote:
1. While nothing is objective, evolution does have significant amounts of evidence to support it as the best explanation of natural phenomena.

2. Radiometric dating says the 6000 year thingie is ubermax bullshit.


1. I agree, which is why many people agree with it.

2. If fossils are millions of years old, and Carbon-14 takes only 60,000 years to decay, why is there Carbon-14 found in fossils?


Carbon dating isn't very commonly used for fossils.
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Postby Last Breath » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:23 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah, lab experiments with flies under controlled conditions have shown evolution to be objective fact. With enough time and money you can watch it play out in real time on successive generations of things like flies.

Have flies ever become anything other than flies? Not that we've seen.

No, but they have demonstrated the ability to undergo small genetic changes overtime, which over millions of years, results in the creation of a new species.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:24 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah, lab experiments with flies under controlled conditions have shown evolution to be objective fact. With enough time and money you can watch it play out in real time on successive generations of things like flies.

Have flies ever become anything other than flies? Not that we've seen.


If they keep changing than eventually they will be something other than a fly.
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The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Heloin wrote:We all know that we all exist on the back of a giant turtle.

Also, Christianity does not support a flat Earth, flat Earthers come to such a conclusion based on misinterpretations.

I don't know, I've heard some good things about this gigantic turtle.

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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:24 am

I would love to answer (or at least try to) all of your questions, however, I need to go now. I've spent way too much time on NS Forums today XD

I'll get to all of you at some point.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:24 am

Potassium-40 has a half life of 1.25 billion years and is commonly found in rocks. The young earth vs old earth debate is settled, the former lost.
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