The Future of China

[Tenzinyaz]

Taiwan is in a dangerous condition of being invaded and the 2020 elections were proof of Taiwan's independence. The DPP Of Taiwan is the key for independence.

[Major-Tom]

Taiwan is in a dangerous condition of being invaded and the 2020 elections were proof of Taiwan's independence. The DPP Of Taiwan is the key for independence.

Taiwan isn't going to be invaded. Taiwan's current administration is savvy and admirable in a great deal of ways, but even they understand that the threat is a stranglehold of Chinese influence in the region (thereby undermining their sovereignty), not a full-scale invasion anytime soon. Particularly because the PRC understands the implications of fully invading any country.

It's precisely why they prefer a "softer" form of expanding their influence, via buying out developing countries and engaging in intellectual copyright, malicious trade bargaining and cyber-warfare. Softer, comparable to warfare, really.

[Infected Mushroom]

Taiwan is in a dangerous condition of being invaded and the 2020 elections were proof of Taiwan's independence. The DPP Of Taiwan is the key for independence.

Taiwan isn't going to be invaded. Taiwan's current administration is savvy and admirable in a great deal of ways, but even they understand that the threat is a stranglehold of Chinese influence in the region (thereby undermining their sovereignty), not a full-scale invasion anytime soon. Particularly because the PRC understands the implications of fully invading any country.

It's precisely why they prefer a "softer" form of expanding their influence, via buying out developing countries and engaging in intellectual copyright, malicious trade bargaining and cyber-warfare. Softer, comparable to warfare, really.

They prefer to be partners with other countries and help them get rich while themselves getting rich, creating lasting international partnerships and win win scenarios.

Unlike other countries, they have stayed away from colonialism. Instead, they want to engage in friendly business and build goodwill that way. This is what I like about China.

I think in the future, we can expect all Chinese business partnerships to further expand.

[Heloin]

Taiwan is in a dangerous condition of being invaded and the 2020 elections were proof of Taiwan's independence. The DPP Of Taiwan is the key for independence.

Taiwan isn't going to be invaded. Taiwan's current administration is savvy and admirable in a great deal of ways, but even they understand that the threat is a stranglehold of Chinese influence in the region (thereby undermining their sovereignty), not a full-scale invasion anytime soon. Particularly because the PRC understands the implications of fully invading any country.

It's precisely why they prefer a "softer" form of expanding their influence, via buying out developing countries and engaging in intellectual copyright, malicious trade bargaining and cyber-warfare. Softer, comparable to warfare, really.

The closest thing to a harder touch recently in regards to overseas influence is their support for the coup in Zimbabwe and that went... well it went.

Taiwan isn't going to be invaded. Taiwan's current administration is savvy and admirable in a great deal of ways, but even they understand that the threat is a stranglehold of Chinese influence in the region (thereby undermining their sovereignty), not a full-scale invasion anytime soon. Particularly because the PRC understands the implications of fully invading any country.

It's precisely why they prefer a "softer" form of expanding their influence, via buying out developing countries and engaging in intellectual copyright, malicious trade bargaining and cyber-warfare. Softer, comparable to warfare, really.

They prefer to be partners with other countries and help them get rich while themselves getting rich, creating lasting international partnerships and win win scenarios.

Unlike other countries, they have stayed away from colonialism. Instead, they want to engage in friendly business and build goodwill that way. This is what I like about China.

Nothing but lies IM. Nothing but lies.

I think in the future, we can expect all Chinese business partnerships to further expand.

China just shot itself in the foot with Africa over covid. The people already didn't like China but now the governments have to recognise that they their citizens want nothing to do with the New Imperialist power in the world.

[Shiv loka]

I hate the U.S., stop doing Imperialism.

I'm not American. You've failed at 50 cent armying

CCP is in danger. Recently they claimed while amount Everest as their own though half of it belongs to them. They came inside Indian territory and tried to fight with Indian Army . They fund Pakistan which funds terrorists worldwide. 1000 companies including Apple are planning to exit China. Experts predict that by 2030, 4 million Chinese will be jobless. They are interfering in Nepal’s politics. They have many times come inside Japan and Philippine’s seaways. They once tried to invade Andaman and Nicobar Islands but it failed.So majority of it’s neighbors are very angry on China
Let’s see what happens

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Taiwan isn't going to be invaded. Taiwan's current administration is savvy and admirable in a great deal of ways, but even they understand that the threat is a stranglehold of Chinese influence in the region (thereby undermining their sovereignty), not a full-scale invasion anytime soon. Particularly because the PRC understands the implications of fully invading any country.

It's precisely why they prefer a "softer" form of expanding their influence, via buying out developing countries and engaging in intellectual copyright, malicious trade bargaining and cyber-warfare. Softer, comparable to warfare, really.

They prefer to be partners with other countries and help them get rich while themselves getting rich, creating lasting international partnerships and win win scenarios.

Unlike other countries, they have stayed away from colonialism. Instead, they want to engage in friendly business and build goodwill that way. This is what I like about China.

I think in the future, we can expect all Chinese business partnerships to further expand.

Yeah, no. It's blatantly obvious that the PRC is using manipulation to get what they want through the guises of deals, but these deals most likely will end up as debt traps, which makes the government rather subservient when China needs it. The PRC may be helping other countries, but there is always a hidden condition when dealing with the PRC.

[Infected Mushroom]

They prefer to be partners with other countries and help them get rich while themselves getting rich, creating lasting international partnerships and win win scenarios.

Unlike other countries, they have stayed away from colonialism. Instead, they want to engage in friendly business and build goodwill that way. This is what I like about China.

I think in the future, we can expect all Chinese business partnerships to further expand.

Yeah, no. It's blatantly obvious that the PRC is using manipulation to get what they want through the guises of deals, but these deals most likely will end up as debt traps, which makes the government rather subservient when China needs it. The PRC may be helping other countries, but there is always a hidden condition when dealing with the PRC.

There are no debt traps. All countries are required to pay back all debts if they incur them. The debts are legitimate.

The business deals with China are fair it’s just that debts must be repaid. This makes sense.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

They prefer to be partners with other countries and help them get rich while themselves getting rich, creating lasting international partnerships and win win scenarios.

Unlike other countries, they have stayed away from colonialism. Instead, they want to engage in friendly business and build goodwill that way. This is what I like about China.

I think in the future, we can expect all Chinese business partnerships to further expand.

Yeah, no. It's blatantly obvious that the PRC is using manipulation to get what they want through the guises of deals, but these deals most likely will end up as debt traps, which makes the government rather subservient when China needs it. The PRC may be helping other countries, but there is always a hidden condition when dealing with the PRC.

Don't they like to buy land? It's hard to conceal that.

[Asherahan]

What kind of person thinks the CCPs days are numbered when they have absolute control of all means of violence?

[Region of Dwipantara]

Ya’ll need to accept Chinese hegemony, their mode of governance is superior, yours is inferior, accept it, get over it.

As someone whose IRL nation is drifting right into this 'Chinese Hegemony', I'd say 1) nope and 2) fuck that.

[Region of Dwipantara]

What kind of person thinks the CCPs days are numbered when they have absolute control of all means of violence?

China is already an Orwellian state by 2020 and will continue to be more tyrannical as time progresses. You'll be surprised on how resilient can authoritarian institutions lasts.

[Asherahan]

What kind of person thinks the CCPs days are numbered when they have absolute control of all means of violence?

China is already an Orwellian state by 2020 and will continue to be more tyrannical as time progresses. You'll be surprised on how resilient can authoritarian institutions lasts.

So we are in agreement that the CCP ain't going nowhere?

[Albrenia]

Taiwan isn't going to be invaded. Taiwan's current administration is savvy and admirable in a great deal of ways, but even they understand that the threat is a stranglehold of Chinese influence in the region (thereby undermining their sovereignty), not a full-scale invasion anytime soon. Particularly because the PRC understands the implications of fully invading any country.

It's precisely why they prefer a "softer" form of expanding their influence, via buying out developing countries and engaging in intellectual copyright, malicious trade bargaining and cyber-warfare. Softer, comparable to warfare, really.

They prefer to be partners with other countries and help them get rich while themselves getting rich, creating lasting international partnerships and win win scenarios.

Unlike other countries, they have stayed away from colonialism. Instead, they want to engage in friendly business and build goodwill that way. This is what I like about China.

I think in the future, we can expect all Chinese business partnerships to further expand.

Do you really believe this? It's hard to think someone can look at the atrocity-laden recent history of China and say 'these guys are good friend material'.

I may crap on the US a lot, but I'd take them over the CCP any day of the week.

[Region of Dwipantara]

China is already an Orwellian state by 2020 and will continue to be more tyrannical as time progresses. You'll be surprised on how resilient can authoritarian institutions lasts.

So we are in agreement that the CCP ain't going nowhere?

Obviously not forever, but yeah. In the future, it seems that the world will be polarized not between different ideologies, but simply between 'authoritarians' vs neoliberals in a shifting web of coalitions.

Well, shit. If the world hated a planet policed by the US, it will absolutely fucking loathe a planet policed by the Chinese.

[Region of Dwipantara]

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."

The only way China can feasibly and realistically see regime change is when the Chinese people rise up and destroy it. Tiananmen proved that peaceful protest wasn't going to work. China's nuclear arsenal prevents liberation via invasion without risking total annihilation. Chinese industry dominating global trade through monopolies on manufacturing strengthens it's position as an economic power.

The only way the PRC falls is if the people topple it. Bad as COVID-19 is, I don't think China's mishandling of it has what it takes to push the Chinese people to take action. This is a state that isn't afraid of gunning down it's own people in cold blood. Any rebellion will need wide-spread popular support and heightened resolve.

I think this^ fits with the history and geopolitical realites of China, where the mandate of heaven united the state under an iron hand. Empire too long united, must divide; too long divided, must unite. The only way for the CCP to go is through a violent uprising that breaks China, which I don't really know if that's something we want either.

*China is whole again*
*And it broke again*

[Region of Dwipantara]

We'll have to wait for a political crisis to develop. Which is not that unfeasible – Xi has named himself eternal supreme leader in a highly competitive government, and when things goes south, a secret cabal might want to move and get rid of him.

[Infected Mushroom]

They prefer to be partners with other countries and help them get rich while themselves getting rich, creating lasting international partnerships and win win scenarios.

Unlike other countries, they have stayed away from colonialism. Instead, they want to engage in friendly business and build goodwill that way. This is what I like about China.

I think in the future, we can expect all Chinese business partnerships to further expand.

Do you really believe this? It's hard to think someone can look at the atrocity-laden recent history of China and say 'these guys are good friend material'.

I may crap on the US a lot, but I'd take them over the CCP any day of the week.

When China does business with other countries, they create win wins to help each other’s economies. Sometimes it doesn’t work out as well as both parties hope, but there is always risk in business.

[Region of Dwipantara]

Do you really believe this? It's hard to think someone can look at the atrocity-laden recent history of China and say 'these guys are good friend material'.

I may crap on the US a lot, but I'd take them over the CCP any day of the week.

When China does business with other countries, they create win wins to help each other’s economies. Sometimes it doesn’t work out as well as both parties hope, but there is always risk in business.

China is a geopolitical entity with geopolitical interests, not a corporation.

[Infected Mushroom]

When China does business with other countries, they create win wins to help each other’s economies. Sometimes it doesn’t work out as well as both parties hope, but there is always risk in business.

China is a geopolitical entity with geopolitical interests, not a corporation.

This is true

[Vistulange]

What kind of person thinks the CCPs days are numbered when they have absolute control of all means of violence?

China is already an Orwellian state by 2020 and will continue to be more tyrannical as time progresses. You'll be surprised on how resilient can authoritarian institutions lasts.

Alternatively, one can be surprised at how fragile and brittle authoritarian regimes can be. There really isn't a hard law on this stuff, but rather, somewhat generalisable conclusions drawn from particular cases.

[Infected Mushroom]

China is already an Orwellian state by 2020 and will continue to be more tyrannical as time progresses. You'll be surprised on how resilient can authoritarian institutions lasts.

Alternatively, one can be surprised at how fragile and brittle authoritarian regimes can be. There really isn't a hard law on this stuff, but rather, somewhat generalisable conclusions drawn from particular cases.

It just depends on the loyalty of the citizens and the economic conditions of the day

[Region of Dwipantara]

China is already an Orwellian state by 2020 and will continue to be more tyrannical as time progresses. You'll be surprised on how resilient can authoritarian institutions lasts.

Alternatively, one can be surprised at how fragile and brittle authoritarian regimes can be. There really isn't a hard law on this stuff, but rather, somewhat generalisable conclusions drawn from particular cases.

Regime as a whole is yeah, but the differing authoritarian factions within it are pretty agile.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

China is already an Orwellian state by 2020 and will continue to be more tyrannical as time progresses. You'll be surprised on how resilient can authoritarian institutions lasts.

Alternatively, one can be surprised at how fragile and brittle authoritarian regimes can be. There really isn't a hard law on this stuff, but rather, somewhat generalisable conclusions drawn from particular cases.

Yep,it's very fragile, fragile like china.

[Albrenia]

Alternatively, one can be surprised at how fragile and brittle authoritarian regimes can be. There really isn't a hard law on this stuff, but rather, somewhat generalisable conclusions drawn from particular cases.

Yep,it's very fragile, fragile like china.

Baa-dum-tish.

[Vistulange]

Alternatively, one can be surprised at how fragile and brittle authoritarian regimes can be. There really isn't a hard law on this stuff, but rather, somewhat generalisable conclusions drawn from particular cases.

It just depends on the loyalty of the citizens and the economic conditions of the day

In a very crude manner of speaking, yes, but "loyalty of citizens" depends on so many factors and is split into so many variables that as a categorical term, it's useless. Scholars barely, if ever, use the term, to my knowledge - and I've read a fair bit of the literature on democratisation and authoritarian regimes.

Economic conditions, sure. For instance, in their 1997 article "Modernization: Theories and facts", Przeworski and Limongi put forth a specific criterion for the survival of authoritarian regimes: Per capita GDP of $6,055. Regimes that were above this threshold [practically] never collapse, while regimes below this threshold have varying degrees of survival and continuity. There are counter-arguments to this, and I believe Przeworski and Limongi themselves elaborate further on this theory in future articles, but it's just one example of how "economic situation" can be interpreted and operationalised in various different ways.