The Future of China

[Phoenicaea]

important thing nowadays is the close foreign siblings of regime, which are regents of christian countries who sign to follow ‘asiatic rule’ model.

the affair-faction, such as present american russian turkish regents or presidents, is the main column of ease enrichment without balance.

main defense is not fall in their wished despotic form of government.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I hate the CCP too but I prefer the world non-irradiated

In the end, the world hasn't done pest control since 1991 and will be paying the price for it. Now we need somebody to step up and be the exterminator, save people from the misery they're in and put down the people that caused it.

The day everyone knows the truth of COVID is the day that the CCP will die.

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[Rusozak]

important thing nowadays is the close foreign siblings of regime, which are regents of christian countries who sign to follow ‘asiatic rule’ model.

the affair-faction, such as present american russian turkish regents or presidents, is the main column of ease enrichment without balance.

main defense is not fall in their wished despotic form of government.

There in lies part of the problem, if I understand your point correctly. China took lessons from Napoleon and Hitler. Violent conquest doesn't work. You just unite the world against you. They're currently following the Unrestricted Warfare model. By making as many nations as possible economically dependent on them, and by increasing their diplomatic strength and leverage in cases of international law, they have been able to subvert much of the world's authority without a single shot fired. And it's terrifying to see how many people are ignorant to this, or worse, embracing it. Lest minorities end up like the Uyghurs, freedom of information go the way of the Tiananmen Square massacre that "never happened," and animals be sadistically tortured to "make the meat taste better" like the Yulin dog festival, international action must be taken.

[Confessional Korea]

Honestly, I think we should just band together and kick the fuck out of the PRC's ass.

100%. We need to destroy the CCP and partition China as soon as possible, otherwise we'll reach the point of no return. Military intervention isn't my first option but there may come a time where we need boots on the ground in Beijing.

[Jakker]

In the end, the world hasn't done pest control since 1991 and will be paying the price for it. Now we need somebody to step up and be the exterminator, save people from the misery they're in and put down the people that caused it.

The day everyone knows the truth of COVID is the day that the CCP will die.

Honestly, I think we should just band together and kick the fuck out of the PRC's ass.

March onto Beijing like it's the Boxer Rebellion, but this time with B-52's, M1A2's, F-35's, B-2's, and millions of troops. Remove every member of the CCP from being covered under the UN Declaration of Human Rights so we can really make them pay. Then get Taiwan to restore the ROC.

That's the only realistic way for those pests to pay for the damage they have done to the world.

I say this as somebody whose career prospects have been ended by the CCP's reckless spread and cover-up of COVID-19.

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[Novus America]

important thing nowadays is the close foreign siblings of regime, which are regents of christian countries who sign to follow ‘asiatic rule’ model.

the affair-faction, such as present american russian turkish regents or presidents, is the main column of ease enrichment without balance.

main defense is not fall in their wished despotic form of government.

There in lies part of the problem, if I understand your point correctly. China took lessons from Napoleon and Hitler. Violent conquest doesn't work. You just unite the world against you. They're currently following the Unrestricted Warfare model. By making as many nations as possible economically dependent on them, and by increasing their diplomatic strength and leverage in cases of international law, they have been able to subvert much of the world's authority without a single shot fired. And it's terrifying to see how many people are ignorant to this, or worse, embracing it. Lest minorities end up like the Uyghurs, freedom of information go the way of the Tiananmen Square massacre that "never happened," and animals be sadistically tortured to "make the meat taste better" like the Yulin dog festival, international action must be taken.

Obviously something must be done, but sanctions, tariffs, military build up, containment, in counter information, political and economic warfare are preferable to an Iraq style intervention which is not at all viable.

[Rusozak]

There in lies part of the problem, if I understand your point correctly. China took lessons from Napoleon and Hitler. Violent conquest doesn't work. You just unite the world against you. They're currently following the Unrestricted Warfare model. By making as many nations as possible economically dependent on them, and by increasing their diplomatic strength and leverage in cases of international law, they have been able to subvert much of the world's authority without a single shot fired. And it's terrifying to see how many people are ignorant to this, or worse, embracing it. Lest minorities end up like the Uyghurs, freedom of information go the way of the Tiananmen Square massacre that "never happened," and animals be sadistically tortured to "make the meat taste better" like the Yulin dog festival, international action must be taken.

Obviously something must be done, but sanctions, tariffs, military build up, containment, in counter information, political and economic warfare are preferable to an Iraq style intervention which is not at all viable.

I think the solution lies in China's own people. The Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc didn't fall to military intervention. They fell to popular uprising. All governments rely on the consent of the masses to be governed. Most of the Chinese people live in ignorance. We need to show them what their government is really like, expose all the atrocities, and the will of the people will be the PRC's downfall, ironically.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I think the key thing to watch will be the relationship between China and India. Either as a developing cold war between the two most populous countries, or something worse.

[Region of Dwipantara]

Obviously something must be done, but sanctions, tariffs, military build up, containment, in counter information, political and economic warfare are preferable to an Iraq style intervention which is not at all viable.

I think the solution lies in China's own people. The Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc didn't fall to military intervention. They fell to popular uprising. All governments rely on the consent of the masses to be governed. Most of the Chinese people live in ignorance. We need to show them what their government is really like, expose all the atrocities, and the will of the people will be the PRC's downfall, ironically.

Here's the thing: the Soviet system is a colossal and laughable failure, and it's easy seeing the people wanting to replace that with something else. With China though, not so much. It has to fail first.

[Heloin]

I think the solution lies in China's own people. The Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc didn't fall to military intervention. They fell to popular uprising. All governments rely on the consent of the masses to be governed. Most of the Chinese people live in ignorance. We need to show them what their government is really like, expose all the atrocities, and the will of the people will be the PRC's downfall, ironically.

Here's the thing: the Soviet system is a colossal and laughable failure, and it's easy seeing the people wanting to replace that with something else. With China though, not so much. It has to fail first.

People only say this with the benefit of hindsight. In 1988 there was no way you'd be able to say for certain that the Soviet Union was going to collapse. The USSR had just gone through a decade of hardship but so had the US in the 1970s. The PRC has a stagnating economy, few friends globally, and a government corrupt to it's core. It could collapse next year or in twenty, it's hard to predict. China's future doesn't look bright right now but there is no certainty when it comes to these sorts of things.

[Vistulange]

Here's the thing: the Soviet system is a colossal and laughable failure, and it's easy seeing the people wanting to replace that with something else. With China though, not so much. It has to fail first.

People only say this with the benefit of hindsight. In 1988 there was no way you'd be able to say for certain that the Soviet Union was going to collapse. The USSR had just gone through a decade of hardship but so had the US in the 1970s. The PRC has a stagnating economy, few friends globally, and a government corrupt to it's core. It could collapse next year or in twenty, it's hard to predict. China's future doesn't look bright right now but there is no certainty when it comes to these sorts of things.

This. If you lived in the 1980's, specifically the early 1980's, you looked at the world and saw that the United States was failing, not the Soviet Union. That's why, for example, in the field of international politics, there are many articles out there whose titles and/or abstracts suggest some form of "end of the American century" published between 1970-1980. Only by hindsight in 1991 can we really condemn those folks for suggesting such.

Which also means we might be making the same error again, thinking it's the Chinese century when that's not going to be a thing. Alternatively, the "end of the American century" folks might be right this time. What was that adage? "Time will tell".

[Baltenstein]

Kinda depends on the specific region. If you take Germany in the 80ies, it had been painfully obvious to both Western German and Eastern German political circles that the GDR was falling behind and decaying economically for quite some time and increasingly had to rely on such desperate measures as accepting loans from the Federal Republic of Germany, having Western pharma companies test their experimental drugs on Eastern German hospital patients and illegal arms trafficking to the Apartheid regime.
Germany was a unique case though, as no other two NATO/Warsaw Pact states had such a level of insight into each others domestic affairs and mindset.

[Baltenstein]

Obviously something must be done, but sanctions, tariffs, military build up, containment, in counter information, political and economic warfare are preferable to an Iraq style intervention which is not at all viable.

I think the solution lies in China's own people. The Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc didn't fall to military intervention. They fell to popular uprising. All governments rely on the consent of the masses to be governed. Most of the Chinese people live in ignorance. We need to show them what their government is really like, expose all the atrocities, and the will of the people will be the PRC's downfall, ironically.

I very much doubt that you can beat the propaganda war against the Chinese on their own soil.
In fact, I am very skeptical of the notion that foreign actors can somehow decisively influence domestic turns of events in other countries on different continents in general.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

This. If you lived in the 1980's, specifically the early 1980's, you looked at the world and saw that the United States was failing, not the Soviet Union.

Not at all how I remember it. It was pretty clear the Eastern Bloc was failing.

[Hurdergaryp]

I think the solution lies in China's own people. The Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc didn't fall to military intervention. They fell to popular uprising. All governments rely on the consent of the masses to be governed. Most of the Chinese people live in ignorance. We need to show them what their government is really like, expose all the atrocities, and the will of the people will be the PRC's downfall, ironically.

I very much doubt that you can beat the propaganda war against the Chinese on their own soil.
In fact, I am very skeptical of the notion that foreign actors can somehow decisively influence domestic turns of events in other countries on different continents in general.

The idea that we, as enlightened and noble Westerners, only need to bring The Truth^® to these simple folks in order to make them rise up against their strict government is naive at best and insulting in more than one way.

[Bienenhalde]

I think the solution lies in China's own people. The Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc didn't fall to military intervention. They fell to popular uprising. All governments rely on the consent of the masses to be governed. Most of the Chinese people live in ignorance. We need to show them what their government is really like, expose all the atrocities, and the will of the people will be the PRC's downfall, ironically.

I very much doubt that you can beat the propaganda war against the Chinese on their own soil.
In fact, I am very skeptical of the notion that foreign actors can somehow decisively influence domestic turns of events in other countries on different continents in general.

The Putin regime seems to be doing a disturbingly effective job of it in the US and western Europe. Also, look at how the Soviets were able to effectively infiltrate the US with their "fellow travelers" and "useful idiots". I strongly suspect that the PRC is trying to do the same thing with the modern-day western left, and it is necessary for us to fight back and defend ourselves against this sort of subversion.

[Heloin]

I very much doubt that you can beat the propaganda war against the Chinese on their own soil.
In fact, I am very skeptical of the notion that foreign actors can somehow decisively influence domestic turns of events in other countries on different continents in general.

The Putin regime seems to be doing a disturbingly effective job of it in the US and western Europe. Also, look at how the Soviets were able to effectively infiltrate the US with their "fellow travelers" and "useful idiots". I strongly suspect that the PRC is trying to do the same thing with the modern-day western left, and it is necessary for us to fight back and defend ourselves against this sort of subversion.

Still just as stupid of a notion as when McCarthy was saying it.

[Nakena]

The Putin regime seems to be doing a disturbingly effective job of it in the US and western Europe. Also, look at how the Soviets were able to effectively infiltrate the US with their "fellow travelers" and "useful idiots". I strongly suspect that the PRC is trying to do the same thing with the modern-day western left, and it is necessary for us to fight back and defend ourselves against this sort of subversion.

Still just as stupid of a notion as when McCarthy was saying it.

The amount of subversion funded and coming from russia and their proxies in Europe is astounding. They have been behind quite some "right-wing populist" movements and various assorted outbreaks of tinfoilhattery in Europe over the past eight years. This stuff started going ballistic in 2014 around the Ukraine crisis and has been ever going on since.

Coincidence? No.

It's been the most effective psychological warfare campaign since the end of the cold war.

[Heloin]

Still just as stupid of a notion as when McCarthy was saying it.

The amount of subversion funded and coming from russia and their proxies in Europe is astounding. They have been behind 7/10 "right-wing populist" movements and outbreaks of tinfoilhattery in Europe over the past eight years. This shit started in 2014 around the Ukraine crisis and has been ever going on since.

Coincidence? No.

China and Russia actively try to destabilise other countries same as the US and USSR. I didn't read Bienenhalde's post as talking about that, I read it as red scare mumbo jumbo from another person who looks at China and doesn't realise it's a imperialist capitalist oligarchy.

[Bear Stearns]

Hard to say, but I feel pretty confident saying that the CCP's rule over China will outlast the US government.

[Albrenia]

Hard to say, but I feel pretty confident saying that the CCP's rule over China will outlast the US government.

Quite possibly. Although I am surprised by the number of people who voted on the poll for the CCP to be last forever.

Even the Egyptian Pharaohs didn't last forever, and they lasted for a long, long time.

[Bombadil]

Hard to say, but I feel pretty confident saying that the CCP's rule over China will outlast the US government.

I dunno, it's hard to predict, we don't know the inner conversations swirling around the party but I don't think Xi Jinping's position is absolutely rock solid, and I'm not sure everyone's on board with his road to Maoism.

He also took a lot of both princelings and rising people in the CCP, there's likely a large amount of resentment waiting for a misstep too far by him.

However, ultimately, I just wouldn't want to predict anything these days.

[Heloin]

Hard to say, but I feel pretty confident saying that the CCP's rule over China will outlast the US government.

Quite possibly. Although I am surprised by the number of people who voted on the poll for the CCP to be last forever.

Even the Egyptian Pharaohs didn't last forever, and they lasted for a long, long time.

The Poll gives the option of forever or soon. Add to the fact that there's no Hasselhoff option suffice to say that the poll is a bad poll.

[Bienenhalde]

Hard to say, but I feel pretty confident saying that the CCP's rule over China will outlast the US government.

As a Christian monarchist, I am not exactly the biggest fan of the US system of governance, but I think it would be nice if the US government at least stayed around long enough to be able to use its military, intelligence, and economic influence to bring down the CCP first.

[The Iron Wizards of Blacktower]

Ya’ll need to accept Chinese hegemony, their mode of governance is superior, yours is inferior, accept it, get over it.