The Future of China

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Yep,Sometimes Western methods work well.Sometimes China will learn to use it.In the old days, may had to send some gunboats around.Who said to accept your criticism after listen?

Foreign criticism?First of all, foreign criticism is different from domestic criticism. It is for the benefit of foreign countries rather than China.Naturally, criticism of foreign countries cannot be understood from the literal meaning of foreign statements.The criticism and behavior of the five eye alliance show that it is a coordinated strangulation of Chinese public opinion.They work together.Taking measures against Australia can avoid directly raising the conflict to the highest level while expressing CCP's opinion.
The failure of Taiwan policy to prove the strategy of solicitation and CCP judgment have fundamentally changed in the regional power balance.Is it a successful policy to make the West and Taiwan Happy? No, that means it's in their interest.China's goal is to drive American power out of East Asia.Although china can't directly imitate the American practice in South America, conflicts are inevitable.

Foreign criticism may be often self interested by fear of criticism is still a sign of weakness not strength. Why should Xi care if a Basketball player says something about Hong Kong? His priorities are all screwed up.
Rather by trying to crack down on that he made people turn even more against the PRC.

See that is the thing, why care about a little criticism?

Good leaders do not fear outside criticism.

Taking actions against Australia only drives Australia further away from the PRC and more to the US. Actually I do not mind the PRC actions against Australia inasmuch as they actually BENEFIT the US!

See that is what Xi fails to see. We have a saying here, you attract more flies with honey than vinegar. Threats and vitriol against Australia, Taiwan and Japan only benefits the US.

The PRC needs to care about making friends with the West because like it or not the PRCs power comes from its connections to the Western economies.
The PRC May hate the West (although Ironically even Xi like the rest of the elite have no concerns sending their children to school here and stashing their billions here) but still the PRC needs the West. Hence why the PRC is in a trap. It wants to oppose the West yet needs the West to keep its economy going.

If China is friendly with the west, will the West stop its hostile behavior towards China?Impossible.No matter what China does, it will not get a good evaluation.The West now needs to take advantage of China to ease the funding gap.It can be seen from the requirements of the first edition of trade war given by the United States.There is a saying in China that "Holding firewood to fight the fire".The demand for hegemony will not stop until we are drained.China does not hate the West. China has studied the West for hundreds of years. What is the nature of the west? We know it very well

The west is not stupid. China's strength cannot be hidden.It's naive to think that China can avoid conflict by keeping a low profile now.Because there's something the government can't hide.

[Novus America]

Foreign criticism may be often self interested by fear of criticism is still a sign of weakness not strength. Why should Xi care if a Basketball player says something about Hong Kong? His priorities are all screwed up.
Rather by trying to crack down on that he made people turn even more against the PRC.

See that is the thing, why care about a little criticism?

Good leaders do not fear outside criticism.

Taking actions against Australia only drives Australia further away from the PRC and more to the US. Actually I do not mind the PRC actions against Australia inasmuch as they actually BENEFIT the US!

See that is what Xi fails to see. We have a saying here, you attract more flies with honey than vinegar. Threats and vitriol against Australia, Taiwan and Japan only benefits the US.

The PRC needs to care about making friends with the West because like it or not the PRCs power comes from its connections to the Western economies.
The PRC May hate the West (although Ironically even Xi like the rest of the elite have no concerns sending their children to school here and stashing their billions here) but still the PRC needs the West. Hence why the PRC is in a trap. It wants to oppose the West yet needs the West to keep its economy going.

If China is friendly with the west, will the West stop its hostile behavior towards China?Impossible.No matter what China does, it will not get a good evaluation.The West now needs to take advantage of China to ease the funding gap.It can be seen from the requirements of the first edition of trade war given by the United States.There is a saying in China that "Holding firewood to fight the fire".The demand for hegemony will not stop until we are drained.China does not hate the West. China has studied the West for hundreds of years. What is the nature of the west? We know it very well

Actually we will be less hostile. The West after all helped build the PRC economy. We were quite friendly, at least our governments up until quite recently.
We have the PRC the economic power it has!

One issue is viewing criticism as hostility is a mistake. Especially by private people in the West that are not the government.
In fact the PRC does not know us well enough at all, hence why it is actually foolishly uniting many of us against it.

Screaming to a western government when a western newspaper criticizes the PRC shows a complete misunderstanding of the West.

See western newspapers and western governments criticize EACH OTHER all the time.
If the US thought the fact that British people and British media often give the US a bad evaluation made then hostile, we would not be friends with them. Surely you see on here the British and European posters are more than happy tho harshly criticize the domestic policies of the US and the Americans here return the favor. But we are still allies.

No the PRC does not understand the West. Criticism, especially of political views is not necessarily viewed as hostility. People can still be harshly critical of the others politics yet still be family or best friends. I get in political arguments sometimes with some of my family. I might strongly criticize their political views. But they are still my family and I would still gladly help them in times of need.

Also again look up the Streisand Effect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Understanding that will help a whole lot.

Funny story. So I knew some guys in my military training that were in the Marines.
They did a training exercise where you had to find points on a map. They only found two of the ten. Their Gunnery Sergeant Started screaming at them “what the fuck is wrong with you” and all that. They just stood silently attention. Finally the Gunnery Sergeant getting no response demanded they explain why they failed. The both then said in unison “We are dumbasses Gunnery Sergeant!”.
The Gunnery Sergeant then stopped, said nothing for a few seconds: then simply said “Very well, carry on” and left them alone.

But again I actually hope the PRC becomes more angry, more loud, more openly hostile towards us.
When someone in the west says “the PRC only wants cooperation and we can get along” I can use your own words against the PRC. That is the irony.

Actually a lot of people in the west are easily fooled. A lot of people everywhere are easily fooled. There are a lot of stupid people in the world including in the west. Hence why we stood by and did nothing so long while the PRC aggressively moved against us.
We are just reacting.
That is the irony.

[Albrenia]

China throwing a tantrum and putting trade penalties on Australia has at least given the Australian government and people a solid reason to look elsewhere in as many markets as they can. You can't trust a market which can be struck down by political bullying tactics, particularly if there's other places willing to buy or sell to you with no chance of that ever happening.

So, thanks Xi for ensuring the Australian population doesn't forget about opposing Chinese influence once the pandemic is over and the call of Chinese money rings out again.

[Bombadil]

China throwing a tantrum and putting trade penalties on Australia has at least given the Australian government and people a solid reason to look elsewhere in as many markets as they can. You can't trust a market which can be struck down by political bullying tactics, particularly if there's other places willing to buy or sell to you with no chance of that ever happening.

So, thanks Xi for ensuring the Australian population doesn't forget about opposing Chinese influence once the pandemic is over and the call of Chinese money rings out again.

Xi is such a prickly little bear.

[Novus America]

China throwing a tantrum and putting trade penalties on Australia has at least given the Australian government and people a solid reason to look elsewhere in as many markets as they can. You can't trust a market which can be struck down by political bullying tactics, particularly if there's other places willing to buy or sell to you with no chance of that ever happening.

So, thanks Xi for ensuring the Australian population doesn't forget about opposing Chinese influence once the pandemic is over and the call of Chinese money rings out again.

I too hope Xi throws a tantrum and hits the US with trade penalties too. Any short term economic loss is more than offset by Xi showing the PRC’s true colors, proving the neoliberals who claimed the PRC only wants trade cooperation wrong, and making us look elsewhere.

Again as much as Xi is a monster, it is better a monster openly be a monster. The most dangerous monsters are those that successful look to be harmless.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

If China is friendly with the west, will the West stop its hostile behavior towards China?Impossible.No matter what China does, it will not get a good evaluation.The West now needs to take advantage of China to ease the funding gap.It can be seen from the requirements of the first edition of trade war given by the United States.There is a saying in China that "Holding firewood to fight the fire".The demand for hegemony will not stop until we are drained.China does not hate the West. China has studied the West for hundreds of years. What is the nature of the west? We know it very well

Actually we will be less hostile. The West after all helped build the PRC economy. We were quite friendly, at least our governments up until quite recently.
We have the PRC the economic power it has!

One issue is viewing criticism as hostility is a mistake. Especially by private people in the West that are not the government.
In fact the PRC does not know us well enough at all, hence why it is actually foolishly uniting many of us against it.

Screaming to a western government when a western newspaper criticizes the PRC shows a complete misunderstanding of the West.

See western newspapers and western governments criticize EACH OTHER all the time.
If the US thought the fact that British people and British media often give the US a bad evaluation made then hostile, we would not be friends with them. Surely you see on here the British and European posters are more than happy tho harshly criticize the domestic policies of the US and the Americans here return the favor. But we are still allies.

No the PRC does not understand the West. Criticism, especially of political views is not necessarily viewed as hostility. People can still be harshly critical of the others politics yet still be family or best friends. I get in political arguments sometimes with some of my family. I might strongly criticize their political views. But they are still my family and I would still gladly help them in times of need.

Also again look up the Streisand Effect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Understanding that will help a whole lot.

Funny story. So I knew some guys in my military training that were in the Marines.
They did a training exercise where you had to find points on a map. They only found two of the ten. Their Gunnery Sergeant Started screaming at them “what the fuck is wrong with you” and all that. They just stood silently attention. Finally the Gunnery Sergeant getting no response demanded they explain why they failed. The both then said in unison “We are dumbasses Gunnery Sergeant!”.
The Gunnery Sergeant then stopped, said nothing for a few seconds: then simply said “Very well, carry on” and left them alone.

But again I actually hope the PRC becomes more angry, more loud, more openly hostile towards us.
When someone in the west says “the PRC only wants cooperation and we can get along” I can use your own words against the PRC. That is the irony.

Actually a lot of people in the west are easily fooled. A lot of people everywhere are easily fooled. There are a lot of stupid people in the world including in the west. Hence why we stood by and did nothing so long while the PRC aggressively moved against us.
We are just reacting.
That is the irony.

Bro,It's easy to distinguish between the kind criticism and the malicious criticism.Just think about the benefits he can get.Is Australia acting to make China better? No, what will happen if China agrees to the request?First of all, it's quite a recognition that China is responsible for the incident, and then for Western politicians, they've left all the blame behind.Sanctions, compensation and a flood of criticism will come.We never watch what you say, we just watch what you do.

Less hostility in the west? Not necessarily.There is not much goodwill beyond economic cooperation.China has been surrounded by US military bases.The list of controlled goods sold to China has been longer than that of the Soviet Union since the beginning and is still growing.It is obvious that the conflict between China and the West does not originate from feelings, but from conflicts of interest.Trump represents the manufacturing industry in the United States.
China wants to develop, and people here want to be as rich as Americans.But the earth's resources are limited, which urges China to seize those high-yield industries.But the West will not be happy because their cake will be robbed.It has nothing to do with the will of both, it has something to do with the interests. It is impossible for China to hope for cooperation any more, because with the development of China, direct competition between the two has begun.Even in the west, there will be no hesitation to fight in the face of conflicts of interest.

Why do you think China conflicts with the west? This is obviously not good for China. Because the West has begun to take action to maintain their dominant position, China will naturally recognize the situation.The conflict is not just on the surface of politics, economy and culture.As the British say, there is no forever friend, only forever interests.If today is not the rise of China, but the rise of a European empire, will peace prevail? Impossible.In the propaganda of the last century, Germany, the Soviet Union and Japan all played such roles.Even the description in the propaganda is the same.


Just tear off the veil of propaganda and you'll find the essence.There are structural conflicts between China and the West.China just wants to develop. But even if China raises the level of its people to the lowest level in developed countries, similar to southern Europe, then China will become a monster of more than 30 trillion dollarsCan't Western capitalists feel that it's getting harder and harder to make money in Asia?Or is there always someone who stands in their way when Asia, Africa and Latin America take in benefits? Now even in their own local market have to face competition.Trump represents the interests of traditional American industrial groups, so he is very unfriendly to China's policies.
Let's see what China is doing now.Developing high technology.Ten major fields, including new generation information technology industry, high-end CNC machine tools and robots, aerospace equipment, marine engineering equipment and high-tech ships, advanced rail transit equipment, energy saving and new energy vehicles, electric power equipment, agricultural machinery equipment, new materials, biomedicine and high-performance medical equipmentIs there a moral problem in developing these? No.Is there any problem in expanding investment in Africa and Asia?No problem from a business point of view.That's the trouble. These places are now occupied by Western capitalists.China wants to continue to develop. There is no room for development in the existing fields.America's information technology, biomedicine and aerospace are competitors. European and Japanese high-end CNC machine tools and robots are also competitors.If I were a westerner, I would think China is a threat. Yesterday they were still working for me. Today they not only became their own boss, but also rob my market,in the free market I invented. Even if there's no problem, I'll make some to stop the Chinese from sharing my cake.

In short, China is too big. The world doesn't have so many resources for everyone.

[Tuthina]

Actually we will be less hostile. The West after all helped build the PRC economy. We were quite friendly, at least our governments up until quite recently.
We have the PRC the economic power it has!

One issue is viewing criticism as hostility is a mistake. Especially by private people in the West that are not the government.
In fact the PRC does not know us well enough at all, hence why it is actually foolishly uniting many of us against it.

Screaming to a western government when a western newspaper criticizes the PRC shows a complete misunderstanding of the West.

See western newspapers and western governments criticize EACH OTHER all the time.
If the US thought the fact that British people and British media often give the US a bad evaluation made then hostile, we would not be friends with them. Surely you see on here the British and European posters are more than happy tho harshly criticize the domestic policies of the US and the Americans here return the favor. But we are still allies.

No the PRC does not understand the West. Criticism, especially of political views is not necessarily viewed as hostility. People can still be harshly critical of the others politics yet still be family or best friends. I get in political arguments sometimes with some of my family. I might strongly criticize their political views. But they are still my family and I would still gladly help them in times of need.

Also again look up the Streisand Effect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Understanding that will help a whole lot.

Funny story. So I knew some guys in my military training that were in the Marines.
They did a training exercise where you had to find points on a map. They only found two of the ten. Their Gunnery Sergeant Started screaming at them “what the fuck is wrong with you” and all that. They just stood silently attention. Finally the Gunnery Sergeant getting no response demanded they explain why they failed. The both then said in unison “We are dumbasses Gunnery Sergeant!”.
The Gunnery Sergeant then stopped, said nothing for a few seconds: then simply said “Very well, carry on” and left them alone.

But again I actually hope the PRC becomes more angry, more loud, more openly hostile towards us.
When someone in the west says “the PRC only wants cooperation and we can get along” I can use your own words against the PRC. That is the irony.

Actually a lot of people in the west are easily fooled. A lot of people everywhere are easily fooled. There are a lot of stupid people in the world including in the west. Hence why we stood by and did nothing so long while the PRC aggressively moved against us.
We are just reacting.
That is the irony.

Bro,It's easy to distinguish between the kind criticism and the malicious criticism.Just think about the benefits he can get.Is Australia acting to make China better? No, what will happen if China agrees to the request?First of all, it's quite a recognition that China is responsible for the incident, and then for Western politicians, they've left all the blame behind.Sanctions, compensation and a flood of criticism will come.We never watch what you say, we just watch what you do.

Less hostility in the west? Not necessarily.There is not much goodwill beyond economic cooperation.China has been surrounded by US military bases.The list of controlled goods sold to China has been longer than that of the Soviet Union since the beginning and is still growing.It is obvious that the conflict between China and the West does not originate from feelings, but from conflicts of interest.Trump represents the manufacturing industry in the United States.
China wants to develop, and people here want to be as rich as Americans.But the earth's resources are limited, which urges China to seize those high-yield industries.But the West will not be happy because their cake will be robbed.It has nothing to do with the will of both, it has something to do with the interests. It is impossible for China to hope for cooperation any more, because with the development of China, direct competition between the two has begun.Even in the west, there will be no hesitation to fight in the face of conflicts of interest.

Why do you think China conflicts with the west? This is obviously not good for China. Because the West has begun to take action to maintain their dominant position, China will naturally recognize the situation.The conflict is not just on the surface of politics, economy and culture.As the British say, there is no forever friend, only forever interests.If today is not the rise of China, but the rise of a European empire, will peace prevail? Impossible.In the propaganda of the last century, Germany, the Soviet Union and Japan all played such roles.Even the description in the propaganda is the same.


Just tear off the veil of propaganda and you'll find the essence.There are structural conflicts between China and the West.China just wants to develop. But even if China raises the level of its people to the lowest level in developed countries, similar to southern Europe, then China will become a monster of more than 30 trillion dollarsCan't Western capitalists feel that it's getting harder and harder to make money in Asia?Or is there always someone who stands in their way when Asia, Africa and Latin America take in benefits? Now even in their own local market have to face competition.Trump represents the interests of traditional American industrial groups, so he is very unfriendly to China's policies.
Let's see what China is doing now.Developing high technology.Ten major fields, including new generation information technology industry, high-end CNC machine tools and robots, aerospace equipment, marine engineering equipment and high-tech ships, advanced rail transit equipment, energy saving and new energy vehicles, electric power equipment, agricultural machinery equipment, new materials, biomedicine and high-performance medical equipmentIs there a moral problem in developing these? No.Is there any problem in expanding investment in Africa and Asia?No problem from a business point of view.That's the trouble. These places are now occupied by Western capitalists.China wants to continue to develop. There is no room for development in the existing fields.America's information technology, biomedicine and aerospace are competitors. European and Japanese high-end CNC machine tools and robots are also competitors.If I were a westerner, I would think China is a threat. Yesterday they were still working for me. Today they not only became their own boss, but also rob my market,in the free market I invented. Even if there's no problem, I'll make some to stop the Chinese from sharing my cake.

In short, China is too big. The world doesn't have so many resources for everyone.

Sounds like that could be solved by making China less big. Not sure if that's the narrative you want to push, though.

[Novus America]

Actually we will be less hostile. The West after all helped build the PRC economy. We were quite friendly, at least our governments up until quite recently.
We have the PRC the economic power it has!

One issue is viewing criticism as hostility is a mistake. Especially by private people in the West that are not the government.
In fact the PRC does not know us well enough at all, hence why it is actually foolishly uniting many of us against it.

Screaming to a western government when a western newspaper criticizes the PRC shows a complete misunderstanding of the West.

See western newspapers and western governments criticize EACH OTHER all the time.
If the US thought the fact that British people and British media often give the US a bad evaluation made then hostile, we would not be friends with them. Surely you see on here the British and European posters are more than happy tho harshly criticize the domestic policies of the US and the Americans here return the favor. But we are still allies.

No the PRC does not understand the West. Criticism, especially of political views is not necessarily viewed as hostility. People can still be harshly critical of the others politics yet still be family or best friends. I get in political arguments sometimes with some of my family. I might strongly criticize their political views. But they are still my family and I would still gladly help them in times of need.

Also again look up the Streisand Effect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Understanding that will help a whole lot.

Funny story. So I knew some guys in my military training that were in the Marines.
They did a training exercise where you had to find points on a map. They only found two of the ten. Their Gunnery Sergeant Started screaming at them “what the fuck is wrong with you” and all that. They just stood silently attention. Finally the Gunnery Sergeant getting no response demanded they explain why they failed. The both then said in unison “We are dumbasses Gunnery Sergeant!”.
The Gunnery Sergeant then stopped, said nothing for a few seconds: then simply said “Very well, carry on” and left them alone.

But again I actually hope the PRC becomes more angry, more loud, more openly hostile towards us.
When someone in the west says “the PRC only wants cooperation and we can get along” I can use your own words against the PRC. That is the irony.

Actually a lot of people in the west are easily fooled. A lot of people everywhere are easily fooled. There are a lot of stupid people in the world including in the west. Hence why we stood by and did nothing so long while the PRC aggressively moved against us.
We are just reacting.
That is the irony.

Bro,It's easy to distinguish between the kind criticism and the malicious criticism.Just think about the benefits he can get.Is Australia acting to make China better? No, what will happen if China agrees to the request?First of all, it's quite a recognition that China is responsible for the incident, and then for Western politicians, they've left all the blame behind.Sanctions, compensation and a flood of criticism will come.We never watch what you say, we just watch what you do.

Less hostility in the west? Not necessarily.There is not much goodwill beyond economic cooperation.China has been surrounded by US military bases.The list of controlled goods sold to China has been longer than that of the Soviet Union since the beginning and is still growing.It is obvious that the conflict between China and the West does not originate from feelings, but from conflicts of interest.Trump represents the manufacturing industry in the United States.
China wants to develop, and people here want to be as rich as Americans.But the earth's resources are limited, which urges China to seize those high-yield industries.But the West will not be happy because their cake will be robbed.It has nothing to do with the will of both, it has something to do with the interests. It is impossible for China to hope for cooperation any more, because with the development of China, direct competition between the two has begun.Even in the west, there will be no hesitation to fight in the face of conflicts of interest.

Why do you think China conflicts with the west? This is obviously not good for China. Because the West has begun to take action to maintain their dominant position, China will naturally recognize the situation.The conflict is not just on the surface of politics, economy and culture.As the British say, there is no forever friend, only forever interests.If today is not the rise of China, but the rise of a European empire, will peace prevail? Impossible.In the propaganda of the last century, Germany, the Soviet Union and Japan all played such roles.Even the description in the propaganda is the same.


Just tear off the veil of propaganda and you'll find the essence.There are structural conflicts between China and the West.China just wants to develop. But even if China raises the level of its people to the lowest level in developed countries, similar to southern Europe, then China will become a monster of more than 30 trillion dollarsCan't Western capitalists feel that it's getting harder and harder to make money in Asia?Or is there always someone who stands in their way when Asia, Africa and Latin America take in benefits? Now even in their own local market have to face competition.Trump represents the interests of traditional American industrial groups, so he is very unfriendly to China's policies.
Let's see what China is doing now.Developing high technology.Ten major fields, including new generation information technology industry, high-end CNC machine tools and robots, aerospace equipment, marine engineering equipment and high-tech ships, advanced rail transit equipment, energy saving and new energy vehicles, electric power equipment, agricultural machinery equipment, new materials, biomedicine and high-performance medical equipmentIs there a moral problem in developing these? No.Is there any problem in expanding investment in Africa and Asia?No problem from a business point of view.That's the trouble. These places are now occupied by Western capitalists.China wants to continue to develop. There is no room for development in the existing fields.America's information technology, biomedicine and aerospace are competitors. European and Japanese high-end CNC machine tools and robots are also competitors.If I were a westerner, I would think China is a threat. Yesterday they were still working for me. Today they not only became their own boss, but also rob my market,in the free market I invented. Even if there's no problem, I'll make some to stop the Chinese from sharing my cake.

In short, China is too big. The world doesn't have so many resources for everyone.

I actually agree with you on most of this. I think cooperation impossible and competition inevitable. The differences is I have been saying the PRC is a threat for over a decade. I saw this coming. I predicted this.

But that is the thing, many people in the west still foolishly argue in favor of economic cooperation. Many people here are actually stupid and could be fooled.
So it is good for the West the PRC is being open and loud now. Our biggest threat is from people in our own countries who want to cooperate with the PRC!

Many of us realized it too late or have yet to realize it at all. Good thing Xi is helping us with that though

And sure the PRC is working to build up those higher level industries and reduce its dependence on the west, but it has not actually completed many of those projects yet, and they will take years, possibly decades for some. The PRC can not break off from the west yet.

I think Xi by showing his cards too early has given us a big benefit. Xi is not very smart on that.
Which is good for us.

Also actually the PRC does care what the west says. Again the PRC caused a huge diplomatic incident over a basketball manager. Not anything important, not sanctions, not real action, not even a government official saying something. Started a diplomatic fight over something so stupid that backfired badly. No the PRC is actually quite hypersensitive to verbal criticism.
Which is a sign of weakness. They could have and should have just ignored that, said nothing but did not.

And no, first you assume all western criticism of the PRC is malicious propaganda. Some is but a lot is not. And to a lot of the British people and newspapers use malicious criticism in attacking us but we do not care. Also no there is not so clear a line, and even “malicious criticism” you can learn from. Just because someone has “unkind intent” does not mean their criticism is wrong.
The best propaganda is true. The best verbal attacks are based on the truth.
You do not seem to understand how the west works in terms of criticism at all.
And like I said, Streisand Effect. Even if the criticism is “malicious” it is often better to just ignore it, trying to shut it down often just makes it more visible and makes the person trying to shut it down look even worse.

But good to know the PRC does not understand us so well, surely we can use that to our advantage. There is a weakness here for us to exploit. We should greatly increase our criticism of the PRC.

And that is why the PRC is failing on Taiwan. Taiwan is a Western Country and the PRC cannot understand how it works or what its people want as a result.

[Novus America]

Bro,It's easy to distinguish between the kind criticism and the malicious criticism.Just think about the benefits he can get.Is Australia acting to make China better? No, what will happen if China agrees to the request?First of all, it's quite a recognition that China is responsible for the incident, and then for Western politicians, they've left all the blame behind.Sanctions, compensation and a flood of criticism will come.We never watch what you say, we just watch what you do.

Less hostility in the west? Not necessarily.There is not much goodwill beyond economic cooperation.China has been surrounded by US military bases.The list of controlled goods sold to China has been longer than that of the Soviet Union since the beginning and is still growing.It is obvious that the conflict between China and the West does not originate from feelings, but from conflicts of interest.Trump represents the manufacturing industry in the United States.
China wants to develop, and people here want to be as rich as Americans.But the earth's resources are limited, which urges China to seize those high-yield industries.But the West will not be happy because their cake will be robbed.It has nothing to do with the will of both, it has something to do with the interests. It is impossible for China to hope for cooperation any more, because with the development of China, direct competition between the two has begun.Even in the west, there will be no hesitation to fight in the face of conflicts of interest.

Why do you think China conflicts with the west? This is obviously not good for China. Because the West has begun to take action to maintain their dominant position, China will naturally recognize the situation.The conflict is not just on the surface of politics, economy and culture.As the British say, there is no forever friend, only forever interests.If today is not the rise of China, but the rise of a European empire, will peace prevail? Impossible.In the propaganda of the last century, Germany, the Soviet Union and Japan all played such roles.Even the description in the propaganda is the same.


Just tear off the veil of propaganda and you'll find the essence.There are structural conflicts between China and the West.China just wants to develop. But even if China raises the level of its people to the lowest level in developed countries, similar to southern Europe, then China will become a monster of more than 30 trillion dollarsCan't Western capitalists feel that it's getting harder and harder to make money in Asia?Or is there always someone who stands in their way when Asia, Africa and Latin America take in benefits? Now even in their own local market have to face competition.Trump represents the interests of traditional American industrial groups, so he is very unfriendly to China's policies.
Let's see what China is doing now.Developing high technology.Ten major fields, including new generation information technology industry, high-end CNC machine tools and robots, aerospace equipment, marine engineering equipment and high-tech ships, advanced rail transit equipment, energy saving and new energy vehicles, electric power equipment, agricultural machinery equipment, new materials, biomedicine and high-performance medical equipmentIs there a moral problem in developing these? No.Is there any problem in expanding investment in Africa and Asia?No problem from a business point of view.That's the trouble. These places are now occupied by Western capitalists.China wants to continue to develop. There is no room for development in the existing fields.America's information technology, biomedicine and aerospace are competitors. European and Japanese high-end CNC machine tools and robots are also competitors.If I were a westerner, I would think China is a threat. Yesterday they were still working for me. Today they not only became their own boss, but also rob my market,in the free market I invented. Even if there's no problem, I'll make some to stop the Chinese from sharing my cake.

In short, China is too big. The world doesn't have so many resources for everyone.

Sounds like that could be solved by making China less big. Not sure if that's the narrative you want to push, though.

Well I do appreciate his honesty on this things. It at least dispels the claims of people here who still claim the PRC has good intentions and only wants to cooperate with us in a win win game and whatever such nonsense claims.

I would rather the opponent show their hand. It weakens their position and improves ours when the PRC shows its true colors.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I actually agree with you on most of this. I think cooperation impossible and competition inevitable. The differences is I have been saying the PRC is a threat for over a decade. I saw this coming. I predicted this.

But that is the thing, many people in the west still foolishly argue in favor of economic cooperation. Many people here are actually stupid and could be fooled.
So it is good for the West the PRC is being open and loud now. Our biggest threat is from people in our own countries who want to cooperate with the PRC!

Many of us realized it too late or have yet to realize it at all. Good thing Xi is helping us with that though

And sure the PRC is working to build up those higher level industries and reduce its dependence on the west, but it has not actually completed many of those projects yet, and they will take years, possibly decades for some. The PRC can not break off from the west yet.

I think Xi by showing his cards too early has given us a big benefit. Xi is not very smart on that.
Which is good for us.

Also actually the PRC does care what the west says. Again the PRC caused a huge diplomatic incident over a basketball manager. Not anything important, not sanctions, not real action, not even a government official saying something. Started a diplomatic fight over something so stupid that backfired badly. No the PRC is actually quite hypersensitive to verbal criticism.
Which is a sign of weakness. They could have and should have just ignored that, said nothing but did not.

And no, first you assume all western criticism of the PRC is malicious propaganda. Some is but a lot is not. And to a lot of the British people and newspapers use malicious criticism in attacking us but we do not care. Also no there is not so clear a line, and even “malicious criticism” you can learn from. Just because someone has “unkind intent” does not mean their criticism is wrong.
The best propaganda is true. The best verbal attacks are based on the truth.
You do not seem to understand how the west works in terms of criticism at all.
And like I said, Streisand Effect. Even if the criticism is “malicious” it is often better to just ignore it, trying to shut it down often just makes it more visible and makes the person trying to shut it down look even worse.

But good to know the PRC does not understand us so well, surely we can use that to our advantage. There is a weakness here for us to exploit. We should greatly increase our criticism of the PRC.

And that is why the PRC is failing on Taiwan. Taiwan is a Western Country and the PRC cannot understand how it works or what its people want as a result.

Who is in the think tank of the CCP? There are a large number of scholars who have studied politics and economy in the US for decades.Some even spent most of their time in the US since 1978.I believe they have a deeper understanding of American politics than you and me.

The west says China has too much pollution, so we started environmental protection project.The west says that China has destroyed the environment, so we have a 70 year greening plan.The West thinks that China's laws are not perfect enough, so we now have more and more law.

Are Australians criticizing in the newspapers? No, they have already taken practical action.Their draft identifies China and Wuhan.And they have long been politically hostile to China.

Why does China target basketball managers? In fact, the government did not take action. It was the Chinese capitalists who took action.In fact, it has a great impact. Many enterprises with commercial interests in China have expressed their opinions.This has dispelled the idea that some enterprises will gain commercial benefits by hyping China's political issues.
China also has public opinion.China will listen to criticism in some aspects and ignore criticism in some places.And then in some places, China will take action.CCP will not play political games with you in your rules.Most of the political actions in the West are very superficial, which is obvious at a glance.For example, after trump claims that COVID-19 is flu, China even knows what will happen.Australia's thing is not over yet.The West will choose to continue to intensify contradictions.Trump wants to keep stocks and ballots. He must push ahead with his return. This will lead to a second epidemic. And then he's going to be even crazier blame China.Science and technology blockade is going on, countries all over the world must choose side stations in the next few months.It doesn't matter what the results of the investigation are. It doesn't matter what the truth is.This is a weapon.A very useful weapon.Let people not see the real problem.

US's support for Taiwan is neither freedom nor democracy.Taiwan is not far away from China because of China's policy.From the very beginning, Taiwan was a weapon of the US against China.From Japan to the South China Sea, the U.S. blockade has trapped China's maritime forces within 300 kilometers of the coastline.If Taiwan and PRC are united, this blockade will be invalid.The relationship between China and the US will be cold, as will the relationship between PRC and Taiwan.Even DPP officials said that Taiwan independence and HK independence are the stupidest in Youtube.They know their role.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Sounds like that could be solved by making China less big. Not sure if that's the narrative you want to push, though.

Well I do appreciate his honesty on this things. It at least dispels the claims of people here who still claim the PRC has good intentions and only wants to cooperate with us in a win win game and whatever such nonsense claims.

I would rather the opponent show their hand. It weakens their position and improves ours when the PRC shows its true colors.

I have to point out that it has nothing to do with goodwill.This is a simple dispute of interest.China's development is a threat to the west, whatever its purpose.
When there is a fundamental conflict, even the brothers will shoot at you without hesitation.Politics is politics, interest is interest. It's naive to bring emotion and morality into it.In fact, China is giving more national interests, while the US is weakening their interests to fill in their own.MAGA priority is to start with its allies. This is a great gift to China.
You can control public opinion and evaluation, but when it comes to benefits, it will come out.

[Bombadil]

Much of what SIC is claiming is a lie, China is top down authoritarian - companies abide by what they must say. Chinese media are the voice of those in power and so if China Daily or Global Times say something, attack someone, lash out at countries, that is the voice of the standing committee. This is an outcrop of Confucianism but cemented by planned economy and social engineering of the CCP.

India has far more restrictive business opportunities than China, it’s growing relatively rapidly despite Modi’s nationalist agenda - it’s not about rising powers and economies but fundamentally opposed political structures.

China rose on opening and reform, Xi Jinping is regressing this by his cult of personality and return to Maoist thought - the result is increased tension, greater oppression and harm even to China’s economy.

Taiwan independence shouldn’t make any material difference to China, its ideological alone.

The hatred of independent thought by the CCP under Xi Jinping is shown by the massive deterioration of the situation in HK.. because we published some books on his wealth and affairs.

Childish, sensitive and authoritarian - not too different from Trump except Trump has a two term limit, Xi Jinping removed those for himself.

[Novus America]

I actually agree with you on most of this. I think cooperation impossible and competition inevitable. The differences is I have been saying the PRC is a threat for over a decade. I saw this coming. I predicted this.

But that is the thing, many people in the west still foolishly argue in favor of economic cooperation. Many people here are actually stupid and could be fooled.
So it is good for the West the PRC is being open and loud now. Our biggest threat is from people in our own countries who want to cooperate with the PRC!

Many of us realized it too late or have yet to realize it at all. Good thing Xi is helping us with that though

And sure the PRC is working to build up those higher level industries and reduce its dependence on the west, but it has not actually completed many of those projects yet, and they will take years, possibly decades for some. The PRC can not break off from the west yet.

I think Xi by showing his cards too early has given us a big benefit. Xi is not very smart on that.
Which is good for us.

Also actually the PRC does care what the west says. Again the PRC caused a huge diplomatic incident over a basketball manager. Not anything important, not sanctions, not real action, not even a government official saying something. Started a diplomatic fight over something so stupid that backfired badly. No the PRC is actually quite hypersensitive to verbal criticism.
Which is a sign of weakness. They could have and should have just ignored that, said nothing but did not.

And no, first you assume all western criticism of the PRC is malicious propaganda. Some is but a lot is not. And to a lot of the British people and newspapers use malicious criticism in attacking us but we do not care. Also no there is not so clear a line, and even “malicious criticism” you can learn from. Just because someone has “unkind intent” does not mean their criticism is wrong.
The best propaganda is true. The best verbal attacks are based on the truth.
You do not seem to understand how the west works in terms of criticism at all.
And like I said, Streisand Effect. Even if the criticism is “malicious” it is often better to just ignore it, trying to shut it down often just makes it more visible and makes the person trying to shut it down look even worse.

But good to know the PRC does not understand us so well, surely we can use that to our advantage. There is a weakness here for us to exploit. We should greatly increase our criticism of the PRC.

And that is why the PRC is failing on Taiwan. Taiwan is a Western Country and the PRC cannot understand how it works or what its people want as a result.

Who is in the think tank of the CCP? There are a large number of scholars who have studied politics and economy in the US for decades.Some even spent most of their time in the US since 1978.I believe they have a deeper understanding of American politics than you and me.

The west says China has too much pollution, so we started environmental protection project.The west says that China has destroyed the environment, so we have a 70 year greening plan.The West thinks that China's laws are not perfect enough, so we now have more and more law.

Are Australians criticizing in the newspapers? No, they have already taken practical action.Their draft identifies China and Wuhan.And they have long been politically hostile to China.

Why does China target basketball managers? In fact, the government did not take action. It was the Chinese capitalists who took action.In fact, it has a great impact. Many enterprises with commercial interests in China have expressed their opinions.This has dispelled the idea that some enterprises will gain commercial benefits by hyping China's political issues.
China also has public opinion.China will listen to criticism in some aspects and ignore criticism in some places.And then in some places, China will take action.CCP will not play political games with you in your rules.Most of the political actions in the West are very superficial, which is obvious at a glance.For example, after trump claims that COVID-19 is flu, China even knows what will happen.Australia's thing is not over yet.The West will choose to continue to intensify contradictions.Trump wants to keep stocks and ballots. He must push ahead with his return. This will lead to a second epidemic. And then he's going to be even crazier blame China.Science and technology blockade is going on, countries all over the world must choose side stations in the next few months.It doesn't matter what the results of the investigation are. It doesn't matter what the truth is.This is a weapon.A very useful weapon.Let people not see the real problem.

US's support for Taiwan is neither freedom nor democracy.Taiwan is not far away from China because of China's policy.From the very beginning, Taiwan was a weapon of the US against China.From Japan to the South China Sea, the U.S. blockade has trapped China's maritime forces within 300 kilometers of the coastline.If Taiwan and PRC are united, this blockade will be invalid.The relationship between China and the US will be cold, as will the relationship between PRC and Taiwan.Even DPP officials said that Taiwan independence and HK independence are the stupidest in Youtube.They know their role.

Maybe some have a deeper understanding but considering the complete failure to understand the people of Hong Kong and Taiwan I doubt it. Those PRC think tanks predicted Pro CCP parties would win the Hong Kong 2019 elections. Yet were completely wrong. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/602551/
This is an inherent problem with the PRC. People are afraid to tell their superiors the truth if that truth conflicts with the party politics.
Afraid to give their superiors bad news.

If the think tanks are so brilliant on Western politics why do they get it so wrong so often?

But sure I am sure the PRC has listened to some criticism but much of that started before Xi.
It is important to note the PRC acted much smarter under Hu Jintao who was much smarter than Xi.
Xi is a far worse leader.

And it actually was the government that went after the NBA.
CCTV is fully controlled by the PRC government. So it was the government.

Australia actually was quite politically and economically accommodating of the PRC in the past. And just writing a draft calling for an investigation? That is no big deal. A stupid thing to start a political fight over.

But I am glad the PRC did.
Again the PRC spat with Australia HELPED THE US!
What’s that the goal of the PRC? To help the US? Because that is what it did.

Your inability to acknowledge the PRC and Xi are making major mistakes is part of the whole issue. That is the difference and goes back to the same problem as the beginning. You think you must defend the indefensible rather than simply admitting when your government is wrong.

Notice how us opposed to the PRC criticize the stupidity of our governments all the time. Again we do not criticize our governments because we hate our countries. On the contrary we criticize the stupidity of our leaders because we care.

We are perfectly willing to admit Trump has done many stupid things. When will you admit Xi has too? Our freedom to speak out is actually a strength.

Now actually the DPP have not said Taiwan independence is stupid. Rather they have said explicitly declaring independence is unnecessary because the ROC already is independent politically from the PRC.
Sure the DPP does not want to upset the status quo too much, but almost everyone in Taiwan even the KMT have rejected “One China Two Systems”. There is no realistic way Taiwan will choose to join the PRC anymore. Xi made sure of that, Xi trying to attack Tsai only made her stronger. Again Xi just does not understand some fundamental

And sure US support for the Taiwan is not about democracy per se, we supported it when it was a dictatorship.
It is very much because of the geographical position of Taiwan obviously.
Obviously I understand the containment strategy there. And that is why we will not let Taiwan fall easily either.

But he fact remains that Taiwan is Western and democratic and a lot of people care about those things. Attacking it would be a political and economic disaster for the PRC, and the PRC knows it.
The PRC prefers to do it politically but it cannot because it has Taiwanese politics all wrong. The PRC just cannot understand it because understanding it would require the PRC to challenge PRC beliefs and realize the PRC is deeply flawed.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Much of what SIC is claiming is a lie, China is top down authoritarian - companies abide by what they must say. Chinese media are the voice of those in power and so if China Daily or Global Times say something, attack someone, lash out at countries, that is the voice of the standing committee. This is an outcrop of Confucianism but cemented by planned economy and social engineering of the CCP.

India has far more restrictive business opportunities than China, it’s growing relatively rapidly despite Modi’s nationalist agenda - it’s not about rising powers and economies but fundamentally opposed political structures.

China rose on opening and reform, Xi Jinping is regressing this by his cult of personality and return to Maoist thought - the result is increased tension, greater oppression and harm even to China’s economy.

Taiwan independence shouldn’t make any material difference to China, its ideological alone.

The hatred of independent thought by the CCP under Xi Jinping is shown by the massive deterioration of the situation in HK.. because we published some books on his wealth and affairs.

Childish, sensitive and authoritarian - not too different from Trump except Trump has a two term limit, Xi Jinping removed those for himself.

You're talking more about self hypnosis.You feel comfortable describing the incompetence of the CCP.China Daily or Global Times ,these two are non mainstream newspapers, famous for their extreme tendencies.If you would like to know CCP's attitude to read people's daily directly, although only politicians can understand it.You might as well take a look at the experts in Taiwan to help you change your mind.
So I am sick of the guys from Hong Kong.They always think they are too important, so CCP's policy is aimed at them.No, you will not be caught. What the CCP wants in HK is the CIA and other intelligence organizations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YB6htDQCn4(It's not a red faction. The guests are legislators of the DPP)

[Novus America]

Well I do appreciate his honesty on this things. It at least dispels the claims of people here who still claim the PRC has good intentions and only wants to cooperate with us in a win win game and whatever such nonsense claims.

I would rather the opponent show their hand. It weakens their position and improves ours when the PRC shows its true colors.

I have to point out that it has nothing to do with goodwill.This is a simple dispute of interest.China's development is a threat to the west, whatever its purpose.
When there is a fundamental conflict, even the brothers will shoot at you without hesitation.Politics is politics, interest is interest. It's naive to bring emotion and morality into it.In fact, China is giving more national interests, while the US is weakening their interests to fill in their own.MAGA priority is to start with its allies. This is a great gift to China.
You can control public opinion and evaluation, but when it comes to benefits, it will come out.

That last sentence is completely incoherent.
But see that is part of the problem. You might care nothing for emotion (although in truth emotion you cannot escape) and morality but actually politics is emotion, and morality is part of emotion. Not everyone shares your thinking and priorities.

Unless you take the morality of your target audience into account, your message will fail.
You might not care about the morality. But many European leaders do care.

[Novus America]

Much of what SIC is claiming is a lie, China is top down authoritarian - companies abide by what they must say. Chinese media are the voice of those in power and so if China Daily or Global Times say something, attack someone, lash out at countries, that is the voice of the standing committee. This is an outcrop of Confucianism but cemented by planned economy and social engineering of the CCP.

India has far more restrictive business opportunities than China, it’s growing relatively rapidly despite Modi’s nationalist agenda - it’s not about rising powers and economies but fundamentally opposed political structures.

China rose on opening and reform, Xi Jinping is regressing this by his cult of personality and return to Maoist thought - the result is increased tension, greater oppression and harm even to China’s economy.

Taiwan independence shouldn’t make any material difference to China, its ideological alone.

The hatred of independent thought by the CCP under Xi Jinping is shown by the massive deterioration of the situation in HK.. because we published some books on his wealth and affairs.

Childish, sensitive and authoritarian - not too different from Trump except Trump has a two term limit, Xi Jinping removed those for himself.

You're talking more about self hypnosis.You feel comfortable describing the incompetence of the CCP.China Daily or Global Times ,these two are non mainstream newspapers, famous for their extreme tendencies.If you would like to know CCP's attitude to read people's daily directly, although only politicians can understand it.You might as well take a look at the experts in Taiwan to help you change your mind.
So I am sick of the guys from Hong Kong.They always think they are too important, so CCP's policy is aimed at them.No, you will not be caught. What the CCP wants in HK is the CIA and other intelligence organizations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YB6htDQCn4(It's not a red faction. The guests are legislators of the DPP)

China Daily and Global Times are controlled by the government. They exist to float the more controversial ideas of the CCP with some attempt at plausible deniability. They advance the agenda of the CCP, if they say extreme things it is because many in the CCP are extreme.
And obviously he will not believe that. He is not stupid. He knows the booksellers were not CIA agents. That the reason Hong Kongers are angry is the fault of the PRC alone.

The CCP wishes to crush the people of Hong Kong because the people of Hong stood up to it.
You admitted the PRC has no morality, and just wants to defeat any who oppose it.
Do not try this lie now.

[New Bremerton]

Australia lead an international investigation into the origins of Covid. Because of that, the CCP got the shits. Now they've taxed our barley up the wazoo and banned imports of our beef, are chucking a real hissy fit, called us the gum stuck to their shoe, called us kangaroos which act like the USA's dogs and have really gone ballistic. Good thing is that over 100 countries have supported the investigation, and better still, the USA has really come to our defence and praised us. Good. The USA might not be perfect, but they're better those scum in the CCP. America made it very clear that they're on our side, which is good, because I don't think that China is stupid enough to start a war against America, let alone anyone else who would stand on our side.

China no longer buys our stuff, so we formed a trade alliance with India who do wanna buy our stuff. India, not being a threat Australia's national security, is an excellent trading partner. I'm really impressed with how Scomo has handled the pandemic, reopening the country and China.

Australia is the gum stuck to China's shoes? What a joke. I have a comparison that I could make about the CCP, but I'm worried that doing so would get me banned

I stand with Australia, as must we all. You'll be fine.

It's not too hard to believe that Trump, in placing all his election bets on anti-China, might revoke the One China policy and open diplomatic relations with Taiwan - who knows what happens then.

This is why I'm considering siding with Trump over Biden come November, although this isn't final. Joe Biden isn't going to officially recognize Taiwan, but Trump might. He might just be the wild card Hong Kong, Taiwan, and the rest of the world needs.

The UK has already backed down on Huawei..

Boris Johnson has been forced to cave into to Conservative backbench rebels opposed to the presence of Huawei in 5G networks and has drawn up plans to reduce the Chinese company’s involvement to zero by 2023.

The prime minister’s retreat is designed to stave off what could have been an embarrassing defeat when his existing proposal to reduce Huawei to a 35% market share was to be voted on in the Commons.

Although Johnson boasts an 80 strong majority, the number of Conservative MPs willing to rebel on the issue is now estimated to be 50 – enough in theory to defeat the government – as anti-Chinese sentiment hardens in the light of the coronavirus crisis.

There is going to be growing global pressure and the CCP has placed a lot on growing nationalism, these are all not good ingredients for a peaceful 2020.

So the solution is to trample over the people and add another atrocity to the list of China's crimes?

Apparently any atrocity is justified in the name of “muh West bad”.

A literal Marxist-Leninist tankie, who's not even Chinese, has never had to live under the oppressive jackboot of an actual authoritarian regime, and takes his freedoms for granted, views HK protesters as "degenerates" and advocates sending tanks to roll over their corpses because "America did some bad things". Surprise surprise.

As much as I agree it is hard to get separation of powers right and maintain it properly, I disagree one party rule is better because one party rule basically always goes bad. Because as you noted there is nothing that can check the one power when it makes bad decisions which it inevitably will, and unchecked such bad decisions tend to snowball as the one power tends to just double down over correcting them.

They believe that our economic life should be ‘consciously directed’ that we should substitute ‘economic planning’ for the competitive system. Yet is there a greater tragedy imaginable than that, in our endeavour consciously to shape our future in accordance with high ideals, we should in fact unwittingly produce the very opposite of what we have been striving for?

In order to achieve their ends the planners must create power – power over men wielded by other men – of a magnitude never before known. Their success will depend on the extent to which they achieve such power. Democracy is an obstacle to this suppression of freedom which the centralized direction of economic activity requires. Hence arises the clash between planning and democracy.

Planning leads to dictatorship because dictatorship is the most effective instrument of coercion and, as such, essential if central planning on a large scale is to be possible.

Hayek - Road to Serfdom.

A flawless riposte to fascism and communism alike.

Xi with his big mouth just might unify us against him. Which is all we need to win.
United Australia, Japan, Taiwan and the US are stronger the the PRC can be.
Our weakness is we are internally divided. But Xi is helping us fix that

It's only a matter of time until NATO is expanded to include Indo-Pacific member-states (NAIPTO). China must be completely surrounded and isolated by all of its neighbors. The buck stops here.

Much of what SIC is claiming is a lie, China is top down authoritarian - companies abide by what they must say. Chinese media are the voice of those in power and so if China Daily or Global Times say something, attack someone, lash out at countries, that is the voice of the standing committee. This is an outcrop of Confucianism but cemented by planned economy and social engineering of the CCP.

India has far more restrictive business opportunities than China, it’s growing relatively rapidly despite Modi’s nationalist agenda - it’s not about rising powers and economies but fundamentally opposed political structures.

China rose on opening and reform, Xi Jinping is regressing this by his cult of personality and return to Maoist thought - the result is increased tension, greater oppression and harm even to China’s economy.

Taiwan independence shouldn’t make any material difference to China, its ideological alone.

The hatred of independent thought by the CCP under Xi Jinping is shown by the massive deterioration of the situation in HK.. because we published some books on his wealth and affairs.

Childish, sensitive and authoritarian - not too different from Trump except Trump has a two term limit, Xi Jinping removed those for himself.

All of this totalitarian BS HK people have been subjected to...over a couple of books. Xi Jinping is fucking batshit insane. If Xi Jinping, C.Y. Leung and Carrie Lam had never taken office in 2012 and the political situation in HK had remained at 2011-2012 levels with a moderate like Donald Tsang or Tung Chee-hwa as our CE, I would've been fine with Hong Kong and Taiwan remaining officially in Chinese hands even if universal suffrage never actually happens. This motherfucker in Beijing needs to be removed ASAP.

[Bombadil]

Much of what SIC is claiming is a lie, China is top down authoritarian - companies abide by what they must say. Chinese media are the voice of those in power and so if China Daily or Global Times say something, attack someone, lash out at countries, that is the voice of the standing committee. This is an outcrop of Confucianism but cemented by planned economy and social engineering of the CCP.

India has far more restrictive business opportunities than China, it’s growing relatively rapidly despite Modi’s nationalist agenda - it’s not about rising powers and economies but fundamentally opposed political structures.

China rose on opening and reform, Xi Jinping is regressing this by his cult of personality and return to Maoist thought - the result is increased tension, greater oppression and harm even to China’s economy.

Taiwan independence shouldn’t make any material difference to China, its ideological alone.

The hatred of independent thought by the CCP under Xi Jinping is shown by the massive deterioration of the situation in HK.. because we published some books on his wealth and affairs.

Childish, sensitive and authoritarian - not too different from Trump except Trump has a two term limit, Xi Jinping removed those for himself.

You're talking more about self hypnosis.You feel comfortable describing the incompetence of the CCP.China Daily or Global Times ,these two are non mainstream newspapers, famous for their extreme tendencies.If you would like to know CCP's attitude to read people's daily directly, although only politicians can understand it.You might as well take a look at the experts in Taiwan to help you change your mind.
So I am sick of the guys from Hong Kong.They always think they are too important, so CCP's policy is aimed at them.No, you will not be caught. What the CCP wants in HK is the CIA and other intelligence organizations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YB6htDQCn4(It's not a red faction. The guests are legislators of the DPP)

Aww aren’t you sick of people from HK, we know your lies and bullshit and fight to retain our freedoms. We managed Covid despite your puppet government here, as did Taiwan and I’m sure that irks you.

A free, educated and sensible Chinese people do better than your CCP mandated approach - it’s actually shocking that you accept the CCP line that the people of China, you, are not smart enough to manage your life, choose your leaders, say what you feel - why do they think you’re such children? It’s because power is what they want, power to rule you, cheat you, profit from you..

..not so different from free societies but we can kick people out, talk freely and, eventually, uncover the truth.

China rose because of open and reform, money from foreign countries, innovation and technology exchanged, all on the promise of further opening even promised in the 1982 Constitution of China, of the promises of the Joint Sino-Anglo Treaty, of the promises to join WTO and win the Olympics.

Promises broken even to the Chinese people because everyone knows -
You cannot trust the CCP.

Certainly not Xi Jinping.

[Tuthina]

I have to point out that it has nothing to do with goodwill.This is a simple dispute of interest.China's development is a threat to the west, whatever its purpose.
When there is a fundamental conflict, even the brothers will shoot at you without hesitation.Politics is politics, interest is interest. It's naive to bring emotion and morality into it.In fact, China is giving more national interests, while the US is weakening their interests to fill in their own.MAGA priority is to start with its allies. This is a great gift to China.
You can control public opinion and evaluation, but when it comes to benefits, it will come out.

That last sentence is completely incoherent.
But see that is part of the problem. You might care nothing for emotion (although in truth emotion you cannot escape) and morality but actually politics is emotion, and morality is part of emotion. Not everyone shares your thinking and priorities.

Unless you take the morality of your target audience into account, your message will fail.
You might not care about the morality. But many European leaders do care.

Only the last sentence?

I think what SIC is trying to preach is basically a cynic world view, one where everything is meant to be cold, hard self-interest. It is admittedly a rather common stance among mainland Chinese as far as I can tell. That said, most of the time it seems to be more an excuse to be politically apathetic when being politically active would be inconvenient for the regime. When it comes to time for political mobilisation, like the sporadic jingoism I mentioned before, the people are none too eager to parrot official stance, even in cases where it won't matter much for their social credit.

[Exxosia]

China's in dep trouble rn. The crackdown on minorities like the Uighers and Christians are almost more serious now bc of fears about losing the majority- there's some fairly credible rumors that there are more Christians than CCP members, and that a fair amount of top CCp members are secret Christians. Whether this is true or not is kinda hard to know, but regardless, CCP will have am itchy trigger finger. Tons of my classmates are here in the US partly bc of the CCP trigger finger. Long live Taiwan btw I'm Taiwanese tho so may be a bit biased. Yeah, they need to start asserting themselves as not just an exiled gov bc its tbh kinda pathetic

The problem is that the PRC declared before that if Taiwan were to declare itself independent from China than the PRC would invade.

I was looking at a theoretical situation where the mainland was too hobbled to do so. They would literally be having half of their ports from whence a Taiwan invasion would depart from being inside of a group of separatist states.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Who is in the think tank of the CCP? There are a large number of scholars who have studied politics and economy in the US for decades.Some even spent most of their time in the US since 1978.I believe they have a deeper understanding of American politics than you and me.

The west says China has too much pollution, so we started environmental protection project.The west says that China has destroyed the environment, so we have a 70 year greening plan.The West thinks that China's laws are not perfect enough, so we now have more and more law.

Are Australians criticizing in the newspapers? No, they have already taken practical action.Their draft identifies China and Wuhan.And they have long been politically hostile to China.

Why does China target basketball managers? In fact, the government did not take action. It was the Chinese capitalists who took action.In fact, it has a great impact. Many enterprises with commercial interests in China have expressed their opinions.This has dispelled the idea that some enterprises will gain commercial benefits by hyping China's political issues.
China also has public opinion.China will listen to criticism in some aspects and ignore criticism in some places.And then in some places, China will take action.CCP will not play political games with you in your rules.Most of the political actions in the West are very superficial, which is obvious at a glance.For example, after trump claims that COVID-19 is flu, China even knows what will happen.Australia's thing is not over yet.The West will choose to continue to intensify contradictions.Trump wants to keep stocks and ballots. He must push ahead with his return. This will lead to a second epidemic. And then he's going to be even crazier blame China.Science and technology blockade is going on, countries all over the world must choose side stations in the next few months.It doesn't matter what the results of the investigation are. It doesn't matter what the truth is.This is a weapon.A very useful weapon.Let people not see the real problem.

US's support for Taiwan is neither freedom nor democracy.Taiwan is not far away from China because of China's policy.From the very beginning, Taiwan was a weapon of the US against China.From Japan to the South China Sea, the U.S. blockade has trapped China's maritime forces within 300 kilometers of the coastline.If Taiwan and PRC are united, this blockade will be invalid.The relationship between China and the US will be cold, as will the relationship between PRC and Taiwan.Even DPP officials said that Taiwan independence and HK independence are the stupidest in Youtube.They know their role.

Maybe some have a deeper understanding but considering the complete failure to understand the people of Hong Kong and Taiwan I doubt it. Those PRC think tanks predicted Pro CCP parties would win the Hong Kong 2019 elections. Yet were completely wrong. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/602551/
This is an inherent problem with the PRC. People are afraid to tell their superiors the truth if that truth conflicts with the party politics.
Afraid to give their superiors bad news.

If the think tanks are so brilliant on Western politics why do they get it so wrong so often?

But sure I am sure the PRC has listened to some criticism but much of that started before Xi.
It is important to note the PRC acted much smarter under Hu Jintao who was much smarter than Xi.
Xi is a far worse leader.

And it actually was the government that went after the NBA.
CCTV is fully controlled by the PRC government. So it was the government.

Australia actually was quite politically and economically accommodating of the PRC in the past. And just writing a draft calling for an investigation? That is no big deal. A stupid thing to start a political fight over.

But I am glad the PRC did.
Again the PRC spat with Australia HELPED THE US!
What’s that the goal of the PRC? To help the US? Because that is what it did.

Your inability to acknowledge the PRC and Xi are making major mistakes is part of the whole issue. That is the difference and goes back to the same problem as the beginning. You think you must defend the indefensible rather than simply admitting when your government is wrong.

Notice how us opposed to the PRC criticize the stupidity of our governments all the time. Again we do not criticize our governments because we hate our countries. On the contrary we criticize the stupidity of our leaders because we care.

We are perfectly willing to admit Trump has done many stupid things. When will you admit Xi has too? Our freedom to speak out is actually a strength.

Now actually the DPP have not said Taiwan independence is stupid. Rather they have said explicitly declaring independence is unnecessary because the ROC already is independent politically from the PRC.
Sure the DPP does not want to upset the status quo too much, but almost everyone in Taiwan even the KMT have rejected “One China Two Systems”. There is no realistic way Taiwan will choose to join the PRC anymore. Xi made sure of that, Xi trying to attack Tsai only made her stronger. Again Xi just does not understand some fundamental

And sure US support for the Taiwan is not about democracy per se, we supported it when it was a dictatorship.
It is very much because of the geographical position of Taiwan obviously.
Obviously I understand the containment strategy there. And that is why we will not let Taiwan fall easily either.

But he fact remains that Taiwan is Western and democratic and a lot of people care about those things. Attacking it would be a political and economic disaster for the PRC, and the PRC knows it.
The PRC prefers to do it politically but it cannot because it has Taiwanese politics all wrong. The PRC just cannot understand it because understanding it would require the PRC to challenge PRC beliefs and realize the PRC is deeply flawed.

Pro Chinese win HK election? Never heard of it.Where did you get the news?If you want to know what Chinese think tanks say, you have to watch the Chinese media. It's like I want to know what Americans are talking about. I can read English newspapers.You don't really think people in Hong Kong and Taiwan can decide their own destiny, do you?Taiwan has to do whatever the United States says. Except for the little things that don't matter.People concern can't affect anything, because politicians don't care.They have traded with Taiwan with ccp once and will continue to do so in the future.

[Bombadil]

Maybe some have a deeper understanding but considering the complete failure to understand the people of Hong Kong and Taiwan I doubt it. Those PRC think tanks predicted Pro CCP parties would win the Hong Kong 2019 elections. Yet were completely wrong. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/602551/
This is an inherent problem with the PRC. People are afraid to tell their superiors the truth if that truth conflicts with the party politics.
Afraid to give their superiors bad news.

If the think tanks are so brilliant on Western politics why do they get it so wrong so often?

But sure I am sure the PRC has listened to some criticism but much of that started before Xi.
It is important to note the PRC acted much smarter under Hu Jintao who was much smarter than Xi.
Xi is a far worse leader.

And it actually was the government that went after the NBA.
CCTV is fully controlled by the PRC government. So it was the government.

Australia actually was quite politically and economically accommodating of the PRC in the past. And just writing a draft calling for an investigation? That is no big deal. A stupid thing to start a political fight over.

But I am glad the PRC did.
Again the PRC spat with Australia HELPED THE US!
What’s that the goal of the PRC? To help the US? Because that is what it did.

Your inability to acknowledge the PRC and Xi are making major mistakes is part of the whole issue. That is the difference and goes back to the same problem as the beginning. You think you must defend the indefensible rather than simply admitting when your government is wrong.

Notice how us opposed to the PRC criticize the stupidity of our governments all the time. Again we do not criticize our governments because we hate our countries. On the contrary we criticize the stupidity of our leaders because we care.

We are perfectly willing to admit Trump has done many stupid things. When will you admit Xi has too? Our freedom to speak out is actually a strength.

Now actually the DPP have not said Taiwan independence is stupid. Rather they have said explicitly declaring independence is unnecessary because the ROC already is independent politically from the PRC.
Sure the DPP does not want to upset the status quo too much, but almost everyone in Taiwan even the KMT have rejected “One China Two Systems”. There is no realistic way Taiwan will choose to join the PRC anymore. Xi made sure of that, Xi trying to attack Tsai only made her stronger. Again Xi just does not understand some fundamental

And sure US support for the Taiwan is not about democracy per se, we supported it when it was a dictatorship.
It is very much because of the geographical position of Taiwan obviously.
Obviously I understand the containment strategy there. And that is why we will not let Taiwan fall easily either.

But he fact remains that Taiwan is Western and democratic and a lot of people care about those things. Attacking it would be a political and economic disaster for the PRC, and the PRC knows it.
The PRC prefers to do it politically but it cannot because it has Taiwanese politics all wrong. The PRC just cannot understand it because understanding it would require the PRC to challenge PRC beliefs and realize the PRC is deeply flawed.

Pro Chinese win HK election? Never heard of it.Where did you get the news?If you want to know what Chinese think tanks say, you have to watch the Chinese media. It's like I want to know what Americans are talking about. I can read English newspapers.You don't really think people in Hong Kong and Taiwan can decide their own destiny, do you?Taiwan has to do whatever the United States says. Except for the little things that don't matter.People concern can't affect anything, because politicians don't care.They have traded with Taiwan with ccp once and will continue to do so in the future.

The lie was the ‘silent majority’ of HK supported pro-Beijing parties, that lie was exposed by local elections.

Your party lies to you constantly on one side while suppressing your right to speak on the other - why?

Why don’t they trust you?

Either the people of mainland China are weak and untrustworthy or the CCP is only interested in control and power. I personally feel, as shown by HK and Taiwan, especially given Covid, that Chinese people are more than capable of self-governance.

Just CCP, and specifically Xi Jinping, doesn’t trust you. They blame America, they blame HK people, they blame Taiwan independence, but they just don’t trust you.

[Novus America]

Maybe some have a deeper understanding but considering the complete failure to understand the people of Hong Kong and Taiwan I doubt it. Those PRC think tanks predicted Pro CCP parties would win the Hong Kong 2019 elections. Yet were completely wrong. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/602551/
This is an inherent problem with the PRC. People are afraid to tell their superiors the truth if that truth conflicts with the party politics.
Afraid to give their superiors bad news.

If the think tanks are so brilliant on Western politics why do they get it so wrong so often?

But sure I am sure the PRC has listened to some criticism but much of that started before Xi.
It is important to note the PRC acted much smarter under Hu Jintao who was much smarter than Xi.
Xi is a far worse leader.

And it actually was the government that went after the NBA.
CCTV is fully controlled by the PRC government. So it was the government.

Australia actually was quite politically and economically accommodating of the PRC in the past. And just writing a draft calling for an investigation? That is no big deal. A stupid thing to start a political fight over.

But I am glad the PRC did.
Again the PRC spat with Australia HELPED THE US!
What’s that the goal of the PRC? To help the US? Because that is what it did.

Your inability to acknowledge the PRC and Xi are making major mistakes is part of the whole issue. That is the difference and goes back to the same problem as the beginning. You think you must defend the indefensible rather than simply admitting when your government is wrong.

Notice how us opposed to the PRC criticize the stupidity of our governments all the time. Again we do not criticize our governments because we hate our countries. On the contrary we criticize the stupidity of our leaders because we care.

We are perfectly willing to admit Trump has done many stupid things. When will you admit Xi has too? Our freedom to speak out is actually a strength.

Now actually the DPP have not said Taiwan independence is stupid. Rather they have said explicitly declaring independence is unnecessary because the ROC already is independent politically from the PRC.
Sure the DPP does not want to upset the status quo too much, but almost everyone in Taiwan even the KMT have rejected “One China Two Systems”. There is no realistic way Taiwan will choose to join the PRC anymore. Xi made sure of that, Xi trying to attack Tsai only made her stronger. Again Xi just does not understand some fundamental

And sure US support for the Taiwan is not about democracy per se, we supported it when it was a dictatorship.
It is very much because of the geographical position of Taiwan obviously.
Obviously I understand the containment strategy there. And that is why we will not let Taiwan fall easily either.

But he fact remains that Taiwan is Western and democratic and a lot of people care about those things. Attacking it would be a political and economic disaster for the PRC, and the PRC knows it.
The PRC prefers to do it politically but it cannot because it has Taiwanese politics all wrong. The PRC just cannot understand it because understanding it would require the PRC to challenge PRC beliefs and realize the PRC is deeply flawed.

Pro Chinese win HK election? Never heard of it.Where did you get the news?If you want to know what Chinese think tanks say, you have to watch the Chinese media. It's like I want to know what Americans are talking about. I can read English newspapers.You don't really think people in Hong Kong and Taiwan can decide their own destiny, do you?Taiwan has to do whatever the United States says. Except for the little things that don't matter.People concern can't affect anything, because politicians don't care.They have traded with Taiwan with ccp once and will continue to do so in the future.

I posted the source:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/602551/
PRC affiliated sources were widely claiming a “silent majority” in Hong Kong would vote for Pro CCP candidates. They were wrong. Obviously the PRC is obviously not always that smart.
Again I admit Trump does stupid things, and the US government does stupid things. Can you just admit Xi and the CCP government do stupid things?

I do not like my current politicians in better and will push for new and better ones. That is something you cannot do.

Again this falls into incoherence, the English here is near unreadable in places.
But based on what I think you are saying while it is true Taiwan has to choose between the PRC or US support, it is false equivalency. And it is still a choice. And they have chosen to get US support and not be part of the PRC. The people of Taiwan could choose to join the PRC if they wanted.

And choosing the US still gives them more freedom. Sure obviously to get the US to support them they have to align their foreign policy to ours but the US has no desire to annex them and rule them. No interest in replacing their own government with one appointed by us or passing laws that make it illegal for people to criticize us.

They have a choice between much greater freedom and much less freedom. And they want the more freedom.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Aww aren’t you sick of people from HK, we know your lies and bullshit and fight to retain our freedoms. We managed Covid despite your puppet government here, as did Taiwan and I’m sure that irks you.

A free, educated and sensible Chinese people do better than your CCP mandated approach - it’s actually shocking that you accept the CCP line that the people of China, you, are not smart enough to manage your life, choose your leaders, say what you feel - why do they think you’re such children? It’s because power is what they want, power to rule you, cheat you, profit from you..

..not so different from free societies but we can kick people out, talk freely and, eventually, uncover the truth.

China rose because of open and reform, money from foreign countries, innovation and technology exchanged, all on the promise of further opening even promised in the 1982 Constitution of China, of the promises of the Joint Sino-Anglo Treaty, of the promises to join WTO and win the Olympics.

Promises broken even to the Chinese people because everyone knows -
You cannot trust the CCP.

Certainly not Xi Jinping.

Those who commit crimes in Hong Kong can be transferred to the United States and the United Kingdom. But it can't be transferred to the mainland and Taiwan. Why?What's your explanation for this
Do you think you manage yourself well?Are you fighting for freedom?So I ask you, how did the law that Lin was going to pass jeopardize your freedom?You're worried about the day when you're going to be charged with felony and sent to the mainland.Who will catch you,mainland police or HK police?

[Novus America]

Aww aren’t you sick of people from HK, we know your lies and bullshit and fight to retain our freedoms. We managed Covid despite your puppet government here, as did Taiwan and I’m sure that irks you.

A free, educated and sensible Chinese people do better than your CCP mandated approach - it’s actually shocking that you accept the CCP line that the people of China, you, are not smart enough to manage your life, choose your leaders, say what you feel - why do they think you’re such children? It’s because power is what they want, power to rule you, cheat you, profit from you..

..not so different from free societies but we can kick people out, talk freely and, eventually, uncover the truth.

China rose because of open and reform, money from foreign countries, innovation and technology exchanged, all on the promise of further opening even promised in the 1982 Constitution of China, of the promises of the Joint Sino-Anglo Treaty, of the promises to join WTO and win the Olympics.

Promises broken even to the Chinese people because everyone knows -
You cannot trust the CCP.

Certainly not Xi Jinping.

Those who commit crimes in Hong Kong can be transferred to the United States and the United Kingdom. But it can't be transferred to the mainland and Taiwan. Why?What's your explanation for this
Do you think you manage yourself well?Are you fighting for freedom?So I ask you, how did the law that Lin was going to pass jeopardize your freedom?You're worried about the day when you're going to be charged with felony and sent to the mainland.Who will catch you,mainland police or HK police?

Because the US and UK actually have fair independent courts with due process. Rather than CCP inquisitors. Because the US and UK have much better courts if you are accused of a crime.
And will not charge people of Hong Kong for speaking their mind.

Because I know this might be hard for your ideology to accept because the CCP is not actually considered very positively outside the PRC and the people of Hong Kong want political and personal freedoms the the US and UK do not threaten but the PRC does threaten.

False equivalency is false, this is like asking why do people want to be not killed over being killed?
One option is clearly better than the other.