The Future of China

[Australian rePublic]

Being under the USA is indeed preferable to being under the CCP

Cos Socialism bad? Okay!

Not because of socialism. Because your government sends ethnic minorities to consentration camps, quashes free speech, punishes doctors who do their job and prevent diseases, have engineered the socail credit score system, (a system so evil that Satan himself envies it), allegedly harvests the organ of Faulen Gong practitioners. If that's what socialism is, then fuck socialism! The USA is far from perfect, but it's nowhere that evil! At least in the USA, you have freedom and they kill innocent people for stupid reasons

[Samudera Darussalam]

The ccp care about power. That’s all.

INGSOC time-

Dear Brother Is Watching You

No i am referring to the current issues with chinese expansion into the South China Sea and on the continent.

I see. What about Vietnam and Japan?

The Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands and Spratly-Paracel Islands controversies, I think.

[Ethel mermania]

No i am referring to the current issues with chinese expansion into the South China Sea and on the continent.

I see. What about Vietnam and Japan?

I have had a few wines and i am on my. iPad where i have a tough time cutting and pasting. But this worked

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13748349

Also google Vietnam - china oil drilling and some stuff should come up. Border disputes with india.

And the belt and road deals They are making are loansharking with a soft face

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Cos Socialism bad? Okay!

Not because of socialism. Because your government sends ethnic minorities to consentration camps, quashes free speech, punishes doctors who do their job and prevent diseases, have engineered the socail credit score system, (a system so evil that Satan himself envies it), allegedly harvests the organ of Faulen Gong practitioners. If that's what socialism is, then fuck socialism! The USA is far from perfect, but it's nowhere that evil! At least in the USA, you have freedom and they kill innocent people for stupid reasons

I doubt he’s a Chinese person posting from Mainland China, though. I seem to recall NS being one of the many sites not permitted there.

[USS Monitor]

Well I'm just saying. The HK Protests imo don't sound right. Especially when they one time held up U.S. Flags

Listen you 50 cent army shill, your own people in Hong Kong protested against your government. They held up a USA flag to gain American attention. It was Chinese protesting, not Americans. Your government is lying to you

Aussie, I don't know why you are suddenly assuming he's Chinese.

[Populous Magnus]

CCP is not even a communist party anymore. They call themselves communist-socialist but they don't practice what they preach. More like pseudo-totalitarian.

[Australian rePublic]

Listen you 50 cent army shill, your own people in Hong Kong protested against your government. They held up a USA flag to gain American attention. It was Chinese protesting, not Americans. Your government is lying to you

Aussie, I don't know why you are suddenly assuming he's Chinese.

Are there non-Chinese people part of the 50 cent army? Because if he/she isn't a member of the 50 cent army, I'd be extremely surprised. I've seen 50 cent army people all over the internet, and they act like this

[Bombadil]

Anyhoo..

[USS Monitor]

China is authoritarian, whether you consider that to be "socialist" or not.

But as someone that has spent a decent amount of time in China, I can see why they don't rise up and overthrow the government: because it would make their lives worse. Violent revolutions are devastating, and they have a lot to lose. For the average person, it's not worth it. The media cherry-picks the worst things to talk about, but there are a lot of Chinese people living very normal lives.

There are certain groups or certain areas that have more problems, but for a lot of people, life is OK.

The days of the iron rations are past, and the people are grateful. Part of the problem is they have the people trained to be so distrusting and thinking they are continually being dissed by the west, it would be hard for the leadership to pull back from that a position if they wanted too.

The fact that they really are continually being dissed by the West is probably why they think that. It gets frustrating sometimes because there are legitimate criticisms that can be leveled against China, but at the same time, a lot of people in the West go about it in the most exaggerated hamfisted way and it just makes me want to facepalm into the side of a pier.

[New Kvenland]

In all those places we are invited child we are Mere amatuers, bumbling buffoons. This is how people who learned their lessons from the London school of economics do it

https://qz.com/1223768/china-debt-trap- ... oad-plans/

So you mean we're amateurs in the sense that China's more sophisticated, not that they've done it more? That makes a fair amount of sense, there's significantly less push back to them (so far) where they're imperializing

[Ethel mermania]

The days of the iron rations are past, and the people are grateful. Part of the problem is they have the people trained to be so distrusting and thinking they are continually being dissed by the west, it would be hard for the leadership to pull back from that a position if they wanted too.

The fact that they really are continually being dissed by the West is probably why they think that. It gets frustrating sometimes because there are legitimate criticisms that can be leveled against China, but at the same time, a lot of people in the West go about it in the most exaggerated hamfisted way and it just makes me want to facepalm into the side of a pier.

It is The government policy that prompts that xenophobia and sense of shame though. And what the government says about the world, the people legitimately parrot as their belief is absurd.

[Bombadil]

Well they've caused a huge fuss in Africa, and Africa is probably going to be the biggest battleground in terms of resources. Specifically in Guangzhou they've kicked Africans out of apartments, colour coded places and even McDonalds put up a sign saying 'no black people'.

Africans were refused entry by hospitals, hotels, supermarkets, shops and food outlets. At one hospital, even a pregnant woman was denied access. In a department store, an African woman was stopped at the entrance while her white friend was allowed in. In a McDonald’s restaurant, a notice was put up saying “black people cannot come in”.

The widespread racism has caused a huge public outcry across Africa, shared on social media under the hashtag #ChinaMustExplain. YouTuber Wode Maya, who has lived in China and is a fluent Mandarin speaker, urges fellow Africans to “wake up to what’s happening”. The global African diaspora has put pressure on African embassies and institutions to act. Last weekend the Kenyan government announced plans to allow its citizens stranded in China to be evacuated.

A lot of countries are rethinking their relationship with China.

[Infected Mushroom]

China's perfectly fine.

There's nothing really all that threatening to the Chinese system. If anything, I believe the next few decades will see increased economic leadership under the People's Republic.

China continues to be the world's number one manufacturer, it has the world's largest population, one of the highest GDPs, and the vast majority of the Chinese people seem content with the government's rule.

I look forward to the future once COVID and the protests die down. I think things will return to normal.

The economic trade relations between the USA and China will continue to be the primary driving force in the modern global economy.

[Bombadil]

China's perfectly fine.

There's nothing really all that threatening to the Chinese system. If anything, I believe the next few decades will see increased economic leadership under the People's Republic.

China continues to be the world's number one manufacturer, it has the world's largest population, one of the highest GDPs, and the vast majority of the Chinese people seem content with the government's rule.

I look forward to the future once COVID and the protests die down. I think things will return to normal.

Sorry to inform you the protests will kick off again in June given the anniversaries of 6/4 and 6/21, hence why they've been pushing to implement Article 23 and arresting 18 pro-democracy leaders.

China's coming down hard on HK, and it will only serve to kick things off again.

[Washington Resistance Army]

China's perfectly fine.

There's nothing really all that threatening to the Chinese system.

Holy hell Batman you couldn't be further from the truth lol. It's very well understood that the Chinese economy is a house of cards sitting atop a bunch of bubbles.

[Ethel mermania]

In all those places we are invited child we are Mere amatuers, bumbling buffoons. This is how people who learned their lessons from the London school of economics do it

https://qz.com/1223768/china-debt-trap- ... oad-plans/

So you mean we're amateurs in the sense that China's more sophisticated, not that they've done it more? That makes a fair amount of sense, there's significantly less push back to them (so far) where they're imperializing

Yes we are the worlds Buffon, and we have been well before the age of trump. The generation of folks Chinese Under Deng sent out to the worlds best schools all got A’s and all came back and taught the current generation.

[USS Monitor]

China is authoritarian, whether you consider that to be "socialist" or not.

But as someone that has spent a decent amount of time in China, I can see why they don't rise up and overthrow the government: because it would make their lives worse. Violent revolutions are devastating, and they have a lot to lose. For the average person, it's not worth it. The media cherry-picks the worst things to talk about, but there are a lot of Chinese people living very normal lives.

There are certain groups or certain areas that have more problems, but for a lot of people, life is OK.

As long as you're the right sort of Chinese you're fine.. ethnically, behaviourally and politically.

Right, but a lot of people are the right sort, or close enough to fudge it. When I lived over there, I met a lot of people that got a little annoyed at all the red tape or people who were disappointed that they couldn't have a more democratic system, but I didn't meet many people that were really angry or miserable.

There was a Uighur guy from Xinjiang that I met on a bus who got pissed off because everyone was gossiping trying to guess his nationality (since he didn't look ethnically Chinese). Maybe that guy gets pissed off enough that someone could recruit him for a rebellion. Or maybe not. I think he wanted people to accept him as Chinese more than anything else.

I still feel bad for that guy, and treating the Uighurs better is one of the biggest things I wish China would change.

[Infected Mushroom]

China's perfectly fine.

There's nothing really all that threatening to the Chinese system. If anything, I believe the next few decades will see increased economic leadership under the People's Republic.

China continues to be the world's number one manufacturer, it has the world's largest population, one of the highest GDPs, and the vast majority of the Chinese people seem content with the government's rule.

I look forward to the future once COVID and the protests die down. I think things will return to normal.

Sorry to inform you the protests will kick off again in June given the anniversaries of 6/4 and 6/21, hence why they've been pushing to implement Article 23 and arresting 18 pro-democracy leaders.

China's coming down hard on HK, and it will only serve to kick things off again.

It makes sense that the Hong Kong government would be arresting and prosecuting those who have broken the law during this time.

I think the Hong Kong and Chinese governments are fine with people expressing disapproval on the streets (in legal, approved protests), just not when they escalate and use violent means (ex storming the legislature, smashing train stations, throw things, assault the police and civilians). Those who do so and harm ordinary people should be arrested and prosecuted in accordance with the right process.

If the protests do resume in June, I am hoping (and I think it is very likely) that the most violent protestors will have been arrested. A more peaceful protest movement may replace it, allowing China and Hong Kong to function better so that the people can go to work and school as normal. I think that would be a massive improvement over the events of last year.

There may be a degree of disapproval towards the government, but the supply of radicals willing to attack the police, attack train stations, burn things, and attack people is limited. We've already seen a massive reduction in violence after the Polyu arrests even before COVID started. I do believe that China is exercising restraint, caution, and sound strategy here in mainly arresting the leaders/organizers of violence and the most violent protestors. It shows that you are dealing with a very reasonable government that's interested in law and order. There isn't some massive, blanket arrest policy. It's really based on what you have done personally.

[Ethel mermania]

Sorry to inform you the protests will kick off again in June given the anniversaries of 6/4 and 6/21, hence why they've been pushing to implement Article 23 and arresting 18 pro-democracy leaders.

China's coming down hard on HK, and it will only serve to kick things off again.

It makes sense that the Hong Kong government would be arresting and prosecuting those who have broken the law during this time.

I think the Hong Kong and Chinese governments are fine with people expressing disapproval on the streets (in legal, approved protests), just not when they escalate and use violent means (ex storming the legislature, smashing train stations, throw things, assault the police and civilians). Those who do so and harm ordinary people should be arrested and prosecuted in accordance with the right process.

If the protests do resume in June, I am hoping (and I think it is very likely) that the most violent protestors will have been arrested. A more peaceful protest movement may replace it, allowing China and Hong Kong to function better so that the people can go to work and school as normal. I think that would be a massive improvement over the events of last year.

There may be a degree of disapproval towards the government, but the supply of radicals willing to attack the police, attack train stations, burn things, and attack people is limited. We've already seen a massive reduction in violence after the Polyu arrests even before COVID started. I do believe that China is exercising restraint, caution, and sound strategy here in mainly arresting the leaders/organizers of violence and the most violent protestors. It shows that you are dealing with a very reasonable government that's interested in law and order.

MEIN FUHRER I CAN WALK

[USS Monitor]

Not because of socialism. Because your government sends ethnic minorities to consentration camps, quashes free speech, punishes doctors who do their job and prevent diseases, have engineered the socail credit score system, (a system so evil that Satan himself envies it), allegedly harvests the organ of Faulen Gong practitioners. If that's what socialism is, then fuck socialism! The USA is far from perfect, but it's nowhere that evil! At least in the USA, you have freedom and they kill innocent people for stupid reasons

I doubt he’s a Chinese person posting from Mainland China, though. I seem to recall NS being one of the many sites not permitted there.

I've posted on NS from mainland China. Haven't been there for a few years, but it worked fine as of 2016.

[Infected Mushroom]

China's perfectly fine.

There's nothing really all that threatening to the Chinese system.

Holy hell Batman you couldn't be further from the truth lol. It's very well understood that the Chinese economy is a house of cards sitting atop a bunch of bubbles.

How can it be when it is backed by actual production of goods?

The GDP has, to my understanding, been growing every year and with every passing year, the infrastructure and technology of the Chinese republic has been getting better

There's a lot of emphasis on China's currency but its economy is actually backed by a massive productive workforce, large consumer base, and the production of necessary goods for the world economy

[USS Monitor]

Well they've caused a huge fuss in Africa, and Africa is probably going to be the biggest battleground in terms of resources. Specifically in Guangzhou they've kicked Africans out of apartments, colour coded places and even McDonalds put up a sign saying 'no black people'.

Africans were refused entry by hospitals, hotels, supermarkets, shops and food outlets. At one hospital, even a pregnant woman was denied access. In a department store, an African woman was stopped at the entrance while her white friend was allowed in. In a McDonald’s restaurant, a notice was put up saying “black people cannot come in”.

The widespread racism has caused a huge public outcry across Africa, shared on social media under the hashtag #ChinaMustExplain. YouTuber Wode Maya, who has lived in China and is a fluent Mandarin speaker, urges fellow Africans to “wake up to what’s happening”. The global African diaspora has put pressure on African embassies and institutions to act. Last weekend the Kenyan government announced plans to allow its citizens stranded in China to be evacuated.

A lot of countries are rethinking their relationship with China.

They've been racist against black people for a while, and I can't blame Africans for complaining about that.

[Bombadil]

I think the Hong Kong and Chinese governments are fine with people expressing disapproval on the streets (in legal, approved protests), just not when they escalate and use violent means (ex storming the legislature, smashing train stations, throw things, assault the police and civilians).

One woman broke down crying during an interview. Even though the lockdown was lifted, she was scared to go out and she was still angry at whoever had allowed this to happen. Others were filing lawsuits, demanding officials be held accountable.

Reporting those stories was also difficult. I was repeatedly told by local contacts that patients, doctors and nurses had been told not to speak to foreign media. “You are Chinese. Don’t have contact with them,” one resident said he had been told by his neighbourhood committee.

Still, people spoke to us and I worried about the impact on them. Several said local police had tried to intimidate them for talking to the Guardian, and that they had been ordered to cut off communication. When I apologised for causing them trouble, one said: “I’m glad I got to share with you. It’s what we should do.” Another told me repeatedly: “I’m not scared of them.”

Recently I was woken up by a phone call from someone I had interviewed in Wuhan. They were frantic. Had I published the story? Could it be deleted? Local authorities had called them in, warning that foreign journalists like me would try to “use” people like them.

“I am just a normal person. I don’t want anything to do with politics,” they said, pausing to apologise for calling so early.

Yes, the way they crack down on anyone discussing the virus certainly means they're fine with people protesting on the streets.

They're not and never have been, the protests were originally peaceful in HK.

Even friends who are against the protests themselves agree to a person that the HK government is utterly useless, and that China will be cracking down hard.

[Heloin]

America being morons about dealing with Covid has definitely given China a boost in prestige to it's own citizens though I doubt this will turn towards it's advantage with power projection. China's neighbours Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and in South East Asia still have no trust in China. Chinese imperialism in Africa has always been unstable and China's apparent inability not to be utterly xenophobic to Africans hasn't helped that.

I look forward to the future once COVID and the protests die down. I think things will return to normal.

Once Covid dies down the protests will come back.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Holy hell Batman you couldn't be further from the truth lol. It's very well understood that the Chinese economy is a house of cards sitting atop a bunch of bubbles.

How can it be when it is backed by actual production of goods?

The GDP has, to my understanding, been growing every year and with every passing year, the infrastructure and technology of the Chinese republic has been getting better

There's a lot of emphasis on China's currency but its economy is actually backed by a massive productive workforce, large consumer base, and the production of necessary goods for the world economy

Because there's a lot more that goes into a modern economy than production of goods, and even that isn't safe. It has a debt bubble, a housing bubble, production is increasingly being shifted to places like Vietnam or India etc etc. The Chinese economy is far from invulnerable. Quite the opposite, it's almost certainly the weakest of any major nation.