The Kims: East Asian Lucretia & Cesare?

[Samudera Darussalam]

I find Seoul's vehement insistence that he's not dead odd, don't you?

Not really even under normal times they would not want the population of Seoul fleeing south or Fleeing the country. Add in the pandemic and it would be a disaster.

Seoul?
Umm, forgive me if I am wrong, but I guess shouldn't it be the population of Pyongyang?

[Bombadil]

Dunno, just normally they'd have released something, a picture of him in the park or at a factory, even if just a denial. The absolute silence is not normal. Still, South Korea are saying they see no abnormal activity, if something had happened then phone lines would be ablaze.

It may be extremely few people in North Korea even know, like just a handful. It's probably like that film Death of Stalin where everyone is just too afraid to make a move.

"He's trying to see what our reaction is so he can kill us!"

Uneasy is the head that's even thinking about wearing the crown.

[Old Zealand Founder]

I find Seoul's vehement insistence that he's not dead odd, don't you?

Not really even under normal times they would not want the population of Seoul fleeing south or Fleeing the country. Add in the pandemic and it would be a disaster.

I don't see why the death of Supreme Leader Kimmy would affect his frenemy down south. Nothing necessarily odd happened in South Korea when Kim Jong-il died IIRC, though I may be in the wrong here.

[Celritannia]

I certainly do.
Although that was a report from either yesterday or today.
But The Express (hurls), is questionable at best.

This is in the NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/26/worl ... korea.html

So it's anyone's guess still.

Although I did see a report saying people were panic buying in NK.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Not really even under normal times they would not want the population of Seoul fleeing south or Fleeing the country. Add in the pandemic and it would be a disaster.

I don't see why the death of Supreme Leader Kimmy would affect his frenemy down south. Nothing necessarily odd happened in South Korea when Kim Jong-il died IIRC, though I may be in the wrong here.

There is the concern that with Kim Jong-Un's death may sparks some form of civil wars in the North, a country that owns nuclear weapons. We have seen how civil wars in the Mid East spawn refugees.....so maybe people fear that the same thing would happen in a hypothetical North Korean civil war.

[Celritannia]

Not really even under normal times they would not want the population of Seoul fleeing south or Fleeing the country. Add in the pandemic and it would be a disaster.

I don't see why the death of Supreme Leader Kimmy would affect his frenemy down south. Nothing necessarily odd happened in South Korea when Kim Jong-il died IIRC, though I may be in the wrong here.

After the death was announced, the South Korean military was put on high alert.[14] The South's National Security Council, worried that political jockeying in North Korea could destabilise the region, also convened for an emergency meeting.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_and ... c_of_Korea

[Bombadil]

Not really even under normal times they would not want the population of Seoul fleeing south or Fleeing the country. Add in the pandemic and it would be a disaster.

I don't see why the death of Supreme Leader Kimmy would affect his frenemy down south. Nothing necessarily odd happened in South Korea when Kim Jong-il died IIRC, though I may be in the wrong here.

Kim Jong-Un was the clear successor, there's no clear successor here depending on whether the elite will accept a female as Dear Leader.. that makes it a far more unstable situation.

[Stellar Colonies]

You think it's Kim's sister trying to stir up trouble?

Dunno, just normally they'd have released something, a picture of him in the park or at a factory, even if just a denial. The absolute silence is not normal. Still, South Korea are saying they see no abnormal activity, if something had happened then phone lines would be ablaze.

It may be extremely few people in North Korea even know, like just a handful. It's probably like that film Death of Stalin where everyone is just too afraid to make a move.

"The Conclusion of Kim Jong-un" would be a movie I'd watch.

[Valrifell]

Not really even under normal times they would not want the population of Seoul fleeing south or Fleeing the country. Add in the pandemic and it would be a disaster.

I don't see why the death of Supreme Leader Kimmy would affect his frenemy down south. Nothing necessarily odd happened in South Korea when Kim Jong-il died IIRC, though I may be in the wrong here.

That's because Kim Jong-Il had Kim Jong-Un as a designated heir ever since his other son was caught trying to sneak into Tokyo Disney World. As such, Jong-Un was groomed for the role since 2000-ish.

Kim Jong-Un has made so such preparation, afaik. So there's no designated heir and loads of powerful people who can lay claim to the de-facto throne of the nation, which leaves it ripe for Civil War. China and South Korea would be confronted with a refugee crisis on a scale unprecedented in modern times.

Of course, having some of the world's largest economies tied in with this crisis would also be very bad economically.

[Bombadil]

I don't see why the death of Supreme Leader Kimmy would affect his frenemy down south. Nothing necessarily odd happened in South Korea when Kim Jong-il died IIRC, though I may be in the wrong here.

That's because Kim Jong-Il had Kim Jong-Un as a designated heir ever since his other son was caught trying to sneak into Tokyo Disney World. As such, Jong-Un was groomed for the role since 2000-ish.

Kim Jong-Un has made so such preparation, afaik. So there's no designated heir and loads of powerful people who can lay claim to the de-facto throne of the nation, which leaves it ripe for Civil War. China and South Korea would be confronted with a refugee crisis on a scale unprecedented in modern times.

Of course, having some of the world's largest economies tied in with this crisis would also be very bad economically.

Fuckin' 2020.. seriously. I almost think we put a line under this year, start again at year 1, 1AC.

[Old Zealand Founder]

Ah, I thought the refugees you were talking about were going to be from SK and not NK.

[Celritannia]

That's because Kim Jong-Il had Kim Jong-Un as a designated heir ever since his other son was caught trying to sneak into Tokyo Disney World. As such, Jong-Un was groomed for the role since 2000-ish.

Kim Jong-Un has made so such preparation, afaik. So there's no designated heir and loads of powerful people who can lay claim to the de-facto throne of the nation, which leaves it ripe for Civil War. China and South Korea would be confronted with a refugee crisis on a scale unprecedented in modern times.

Of course, having some of the world's largest economies tied in with this crisis would also be very bad economically.

Fuckin' 2020.. seriously. I almost think we put a line under this year, start again at year 1, 1AC.

"Have you tried turning 2020 on and off again?"

So much for the year of hindsight

[Farnhamia]

Fuckin' 2020.. seriously. I almost think we put a line under this year, start again at year 1, 1AC.

"Have you tried turning 2020 on and off again?"

So much for the year of hindsight

[Greed and Death]

That's because Kim Jong-Il had Kim Jong-Un as a designated heir ever since his other son was caught trying to sneak into Tokyo Disney World. As such, Jong-Un was groomed for the role since 2000-ish.

Kim Jong-Un has made so such preparation, afaik. So there's no designated heir and loads of powerful people who can lay claim to the de-facto throne of the nation, which leaves it ripe for Civil War. China and South Korea would be confronted with a refugee crisis on a scale unprecedented in modern times.

Of course, having some of the world's largest economies tied in with this crisis would also be very bad economically.

Fuckin' 2020.. seriously. I almost think we put a line under this year, start again at year 1, 1AC.

On further review the Mayan calendar ended in 2020 not 2012.

[Celritannia]

"Have you tried turning 2020 on and off again?"

So much for the year of hindsight

Everything about that is perfect XD

[Neanderthaland]

Not really even under normal times they would not want the population of Seoul fleeing south or Fleeing the country. Add in the pandemic and it would be a disaster.

Seoul?
Umm, forgive me if I am wrong, but I guess shouldn't it be the population of Pyongyang?

No. South Korea's capital is in artillery range of North Korea. Which has been massing units on the border for half a century.

Any talk of North Korea destabilizing (and the possibility of war) is always met with a minor migration until things cool down.

[Greed and Death]

Not really even under normal times they would not want the population of Seoul fleeing south or Fleeing the country. Add in the pandemic and it would be a disaster.

Seoul?
Umm, forgive me if I am wrong, but I guess shouldn't it be the population of Pyongyang?

Seoul is in artillery range of North Korea. Instability in the north may put the south at risk of aggressive behave by whoever is attempting to assert legitimacy.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

A friend of mine posted that it was confirmed. Kim Jong-Un was dead. Until I saw the photo and article she quoted. It was from Kim Jong-Il’s passing.

[Albrenia]

A friend of mine posted that it was confirmed. Kim Jong-Un was dead. Until I saw the photo and article she quoted. It was from Kim Jong-Il’s passing.

Kim Jong Ill finally confirmed dead, at least we now know.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

A friend of mine posted that it was confirmed. Kim Jong-Un was dead. Until I saw the photo and article she quoted. It was from Kim Jong-Il’s passing.

Kim Jong Ill finally confirmed dead, at least we now know.

Re-confirmed you mean.

[Celritannia]

Kim Jong Ill finally confirmed dead, at least we now know.

Re-confirmed you mean.

If that's the case, should we re-re-confirm Kim Il Sung's death?

[Neanderthaland]

Re-confirmed you mean.

If that's the case, should we re-re-confirm Kim Il Sung's death?

I'm starting to think that he's a zombie that just won't stay down.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Seoul?
Umm, forgive me if I am wrong, but I guess shouldn't it be the population of Pyongyang?

No. South Korea's capital is in artillery range of North Korea. Which has been massing units on the border for half a century.

Any talk of North Korea destabilizing (and the possibility of war) is always met with a minor migration until things cool down.

Seoul?
Umm, forgive me if I am wrong, but I guess shouldn't it be the population of Pyongyang?

Seoul is in artillery range of North Korea. Instability in the north may put the south at risk of aggressive behave by whoever is attempting to assert legitimacy.

Oh, you were talking about artillery range. I thought that was about destabilization of the North will cause refugees from there to flee south.

It's kinda hard if the largest population centre is located so close to the border, but do you think the South's administrative capital is under danger too?

[Neanderthaland]

No. South Korea's capital is in artillery range of North Korea. Which has been massing units on the border for half a century.

Any talk of North Korea destabilizing (and the possibility of war) is always met with a minor migration until things cool down.

Seoul is in artillery range of North Korea. Instability in the north may put the south at risk of aggressive behave by whoever is attempting to assert legitimacy.

Oh, you were talking about artillery range. I thought that was about destabilization of the North will cause refugees from there to flee south.

It's kinda hard if the largest population centre is located so close to the border, but do you think the South's administrative capital is under danger too?

That's the entire reason why they made it their administrative capital.

Though the DPRK could still hit it with one of their nuclear missiles. Assuming they actually work.


Also, North Koreans would be extremely well-advised not to flee South. The demilitarized zone is a massive minefield. They should flee to China, which is something China is very concerned about.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Re-confirmed you mean.

If that's the case, should we re-re-confirm Kim Il Sung's death?

Do let’s.