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The Kims: East Asian Lucretia & Cesare?

Postby Kargintina the Third » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:21 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/politics ... index.html

The US is monitoring intelligence that North Korea's leader, Kim Jong Un, is in grave danger after a surgery, according to a US official with direct knowledge.

Kim recently missed the celebration of his grandfather's birthday on April 15, which raised speculation about his well-being. He had been seen four days before that at a government meeting.

CNN has reached out to the CIA, National Security Council and the State Department for comment. CNN has also sought comment from the South Koreans.

Gathering intelligence out of North Korea is notoriously difficult -- one of the most challenging targets for US intelligence.

North Korea tightly controls any information surrounding its leader, who is treated almost like a deity within the country. His absences from official state media often spark speculation and rumors about his health.

North Korea has no free press and is often a black hole when it comes to the country's leadership. Analysts are heavily reliant on scanning state media dispatches and watching propaganda videos for any semblance of a clue.

Kim last appeared in North Korean state media on April 11. April 15 -- North Korea's most important holiday, the anniversary of the birth of the country's founding father, Kim Il Sung -- came and went without any official mention of Kim Jong Un's movements.


This is quite concerning. If Kim was to die and one of his Generals takes power it could be an issue. A destabilized state with nuclear weapons in the wild for the taking could result in disaster. I don’t hold Kim in a particularly good light but I realize the negative consequences his death could have. It is unknown who his successor is.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:23 pm

From what I know, it's widely speculated that Kim Yo-jong, Kim's sister, would be the one to succeed him. This is primarily due to the fact that she's increasing her roles right now and previously did so during his last health scare.

EDIT for sauces:

Kim Yo-jong is now North Korea's most powerful woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -alter-ego
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/ ... 30626.html
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:24 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:If Kim was to die and one of his Generals takes power...

You're running under the assumption that there are any related General Kims in the DPRK military :P
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Postby Newark Aristocracy » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:24 pm

I see this situation turning from oh crap to RUN FOR YOUR LIVES,THE WORLD IS ENDING in 3 days flat.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:25 pm

He is obese, but still relatively young. That and he would have access to decent healthcare, even if few people in his country do. Unless he suffered a stroke or a cardiac event as this young of an age (which, not super likely), I can't speculate as to what it might be that potentially incapacitated him like this. Doubt it's COVID, seeing as few people travel into N.K, I do believe that there are very few cases in that country.

Either way, if he kicks it (which doesn't seem super likely), the lack of a viable successor could cause more problems than one might think (as the OP did mention), but simultaneously, Jong-Un is a piece of dirt, yada yada, won't beat a dead horse, so I don't think many would shed a tear about his demise, but the repercussions could harm the North Korean people even more.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:25 pm

Before jumping to conclusions, remember that it's very hard to get accurate intelligence from North Korea, and this isn’t the first time Kim Jong Un has been reported to be in "grave danger."
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:25 pm

Valrifell wrote:From what I know, it's widely speculated that Kim Yo-jong, Kim's sister, would be the one to succeed him. This is primarily due to the fact that she's increasing her roles right now and previously did so during his last health scare.


I was unaware of this. Gonna look into that.
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Postby Yokiria » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:25 pm

Aureumterra wrote:Before jumping to conclusions, remember that it's very hard to get accurate intelligence from North Korea, and this isn’t the first time Kim Jong Un has been reported to be in "grave danger."


Yes, but this time it's being reported in 2020, the year of total chaos. This would be the year that it happens.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:27 pm

NBC news is saying he is brain dead according to two US officials.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:28 pm

Newark Aristocracy wrote:I see this situation turning from oh crap to RUN FOR YOUR LIVES,THE WORLD IS ENDING in 3 days flat.

There’s literally nothing new or notable that has happened in 2020 so far that hasn’t had a worse version of it happen in the last century
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:28 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:NBC news is saying he is brain dead according to two US officials.


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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:28 pm

Valrifell wrote:From what I know, it's widely speculated that Kim Yo-jong, Kim's sister, would be the one to succeed him. This is primarily due to the fact that she's increasing her roles right now and previously did so during his last health scare.

EDIT for sauces:

Kim Yo-jung is now North Korea's most powerful woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -alter-ego
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/ ... 30626.html


First female communist tyrant.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:29 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Newark Aristocracy wrote:I see this situation turning from oh crap to RUN FOR YOUR LIVES,THE WORLD IS ENDING in 3 days flat.

There’s literally nothing new or notable that has happened in 2020 so far that hasn’t had a worse version of it happen in the last century


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Postby Newark Aristocracy » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:29 pm

RUN FOR YOU LIVES,THE WORLD IS ENDING! (damm,that was at least 10 minutes flat.)
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:30 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Valrifell wrote:From what I know, it's widely speculated that Kim Yo-jong, Kim's sister, would be the one to succeed him. This is primarily due to the fact that she's increasing her roles right now and previously did so during his last health scare.


I was unaware of this. Gonna look into that.


You can tell she has a remarkable status considering she attended the 2018 Winter games. In South Korea.

The first Kim to set foot in the country since the Korean War, fun fact.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:31 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:NBC news is saying he is brain dead according to two US officials.


It looks like it was a cardiovascular procedure:

Kim’s health has deteriorated in recent months due to heavy smoking, obesity and overwork.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nort ... SKBN223011

But if he's brain dead, there's no way he's coming back. And I'm sure he doesn't have any kids either so I don't know who would take power. Either way, if he dies, this could be a turning stone for diplomatic efforts, maybe.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:32 pm

I wouldn't shed a tear if he dies choking on his own organs.

Having said that, chaos in a nation wielding nukes is far, far less than optimal. As is the inevitable struggle for power among those who think they should be the successor.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:32 pm

My only question is this.

Is Kim Jong Un's sister hot? Because if she is, maybe it won't be so bad if she's leader. And when the God emperor does the inevitable and divorces Melania for "being too old, time to check out bitch," he can marry the kawaii commie in North Korea, thereby uniting our two kingdoms as one. somebody shoot me please before this happens.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:32 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Valrifell wrote:From what I know, it's widely speculated that Kim Yo-jong, Kim's sister, would be the one to succeed him. This is primarily due to the fact that she's increasing her roles right now and previously did so during his last health scare.

EDIT for sauces:

Kim Yo-jung is now North Korea's most powerful woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -alter-ego
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/ ... 30626.html


First female communist tyrant.


His brother Kim-Jong chul is his older brother and still lives in NK. He isn't really active with the party anymore though.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:33 pm

So, what I'm gathering so far is that Dennis Rodman is next in line?
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:33 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:My only question is this.

Is Kim Jong Un's sister hot? Because if she is, maybe it won't be so bad if she's leader. And when the God emperor does the inevitable and divorces Melania for "being too old, time to check out bitch," he can marry the kawaii commie in North Korea, thereby uniting our two kingdoms as one somebody shoot me please before this happens.


If she did something with her hair she'd be a total hottie, rapidly rising to the near top of my Global Hot Tottie Leadership Ranking.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:34 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:NBC news is saying he is brain dead according to two US officials.


It looks like it was a cardiovascular procedure:

Kim’s health has deteriorated in recent months due to heavy smoking, obesity and overwork.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nort ... SKBN223011

But if he's brain dead, there's no way he's coming back. And I'm sure he doesn't have any kids either so I don't know who would take power. Either way, if he dies, this could be a turning stone for diplomatic efforts, maybe.


He has one confirmed daughter. Born around 2010-2012. But is believed to have many more. All probably to young to rule.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:35 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:My only question is this.

Is Kim Jong Un's sister hot? Because if she is, maybe it won't be so bad if she's leader. And when the God emperor does the inevitable and divorces Melania for "being too old, time to check out bitch," he can marry the kawaii commie in North Korea, thereby uniting our two kingdoms as one somebody shoot me please before this happens.


If she did something with her hair she'd be a total hottie, rapidly rising to the near top of my Global Hot Tottie Leadership Ranking.


I can imagine if you made that list, Trump would find where you live, put a gun to your head and say "SAY IM THE HOTTEST AND YOU'RE GAY FOR ME OR ELSE!" just because of how bad his ego is.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:40 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
It looks like it was a cardiovascular procedure:

Kim’s health has deteriorated in recent months due to heavy smoking, obesity and overwork.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nort ... SKBN223011

But if he's brain dead, there's no way he's coming back. And I'm sure he doesn't have any kids either so I don't know who would take power. Either way, if he dies, this could be a turning stone for diplomatic efforts, maybe.


He has one confirmed daughter. Born around 2010-2012. But is believed to have many more. All probably to young to rule.


Definitely. Apparently what I'm reading is his younger sister, Kim Yo-jong, is a possible successor. So it'll be another Kim.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:42 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
He has one confirmed daughter. Born around 2010-2012. But is believed to have many more. All probably to young to rule.


Definitely. Apparently what I'm reading is his younger sister, Kim Yo-jong, is a possible successor. So it'll be another Kim.


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