Hunting Thread

[Kathol Rift]

There may or may not have been one of these threads in the past, but if there is, I have not seen it. I feel that hunting is definitely a varied and interesting enough topic to warrant its own thread, so here it is. This is just a general thread to discuss hunting and hunting-related things.

I’ll start off the conversation with a simple question. Answering this question isn’t required to post in the thread, it’s just a conversation starter. How do you like to hunt? Bows, rifles, pistols? Stalking, glassing, dogs, calling? The possibilities to answer this question are endless.

For my answer, I do a it of all styles. I do a lot of glassing, then when I see whatever I’m hunting, I try to get close enough to a shot, which does occasionally end up in a stalk. I mostly use rifles, but I have done a bit of archery hunting.

Addition to the original post: If you are an anti-hunter who just wants to come here to accuse us of mental instability and murder, please don’t. I don’t want to need to report anyone to the mods. If you are an anti-hunter that wants to have a civilized debate on the subject, then feel free. Same goes for the hunters here. No flaming the preservationists. I’ll report you too.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Hunting is something I've read a good deal about, and have always wanted to do, but I'm unfortunate to live in suburbia. Where I live, if someone heard a gun shot, they would probably call the police to report an attack or something. I've always wanted to try small game and deer hunting myself.

[Kathol Rift]

Hunting is something I've read a good deal about, and have always wanted to do, but I'm unfortunate to live in suburbia. Where I live, if someone heard a gun shot, they would probably call the police to report an attack or something. I've always wanted to try small game and deer hunting myself.

It’s definitely fun. I also live in the suburbs, so I only go hunting once a year or so. What have you read about it? If you haven’t read them already, I recommend any books by Peter Hathaway Capstick. He was a professional hunter in Africa who wrote about his experiences and other people’s experiences with big game hunting. Excellent writer, and excellent books.

[Aeritai]

I could never get into hunting I don't have the patience to to wait for deer to come by. However, my dad goes hunting usually with a rifle and when he kills a deer, he makes some outstanding deer burgers.

[Purple Rats]

As someone who lived in countryside for 20 years, where lot of different wild animals were living in forest around my land:

Although I have never done it myself, I wholeheartedly support hunt sabotages. There must be something seriously wrong with someone's mental health to go to forest to just kill innocent animals.

[OOFD]

I don't do that. In VR though, I hunt in Minecraft with a bow.

[Dukin Donuts]

As someone who lived in countryside for 20 years, where lot of different wild animals were living in forest around my land:

Although I have never done it myself, I wholeheartedly support hunt sabotages. There must be something seriously wrong with someone's mental health to go to forest to just kill innocent animals.

The sale of hunting licenses, tags, and stamps is the primary source of funding for most state wildlife conservation efforts.

I’m not sure how it is in Europe, but in the States both hunting and hunters are invaluable in animal conservation efforts.

[Kathol Rift]

As someone who lived in countryside for 20 years, where lot of different wild animals were living in forest around my land:

Although I have never done it myself, I wholeheartedly support hunt sabotages. There must be something seriously wrong with someone's mental health to go to forest to just kill innocent animals.

Oh, hey, it only took five posts for an anti-hunter to find this thread. I was wondering how long it would take. Well, I’m going to quote a passage from a book by a professional hunter, and I politely ask that you read it, but you don’t have to if you don’t want to.

“In these days, it is fashionable to look upon hunters, especially professionals, as depraved, moronic, insensitive buffoons. That the sport hunter is more responsible for wildlife conservation, through habitat preservation and species management (financed through donations, whopping fees, licenses, and stiff excise taxes on his equipment), than any preservationist group is not widely understood. If you doubt this, remember that the government brought out a special stamp several years ago for $5, the proceeds of the sale going directly into wildlife and environmental conservation. The general public, who hoot and sneer at the hunter, didn’t buy enough to fill three S & H stamp books, a tiny fraction of the money generated by the sportsmen who pay the bird watchers’ way.”
-Peter Hathaway Capstick, “Death in the Long Grass”

Long story short, hunters pay more money for conservation than any anti hunting preservationist group ever will. I really don’t want to report anybody for flaming or trolling in this thread, so if you are a nonhunter or anti-hunter who wants to come here for a civil debate on the subject, be my guest. If you want to come here just to accuse us of being mentally unstable and call us murderers, then please, find another place to post it.

[United Muscovite Nations]

As someone who lived in countryside for 20 years, where lot of different wild animals were living in forest around my land:

Although I have never done it myself, I wholeheartedly support hunt sabotages. There must be something seriously wrong with someone's mental health to go to forest to just kill innocent animals.

Hunting prevents overpopulation of the animal population, which keeps things like animal epidemics and famines from happening. Also lots of animals are pests and are actively harmful.

[Kathol Rift]

As someone who lived in countryside for 20 years, where lot of different wild animals were living in forest around my land:

Although I have never done it myself, I wholeheartedly support hunt sabotages. There must be something seriously wrong with someone's mental health to go to forest to just kill innocent animals.

Hunting prevents overpopulation of the animal population, which keeps things like animal epidemics and famines from happening. Also lots of animals are pests and are actively harmful.

I don’t know about the pests part, unless you are specifically thinking about coyotes, but I’m only really experienced in hunting in the western US. The overpopulation part is very true though.

As someone who lived in countryside for 20 years, where lot of different wild animals were living in forest around my land:

Although I have never done it myself, I wholeheartedly support hunt sabotages. There must be something seriously wrong with someone's mental health to go to forest to just kill innocent animals.

The sale of hunting licenses, tags, and stamps is the primary source of funding for most state wildlife conservation efforts.

I’m not sure how it is in Europe, but in the States both hunting and hunters are invaluable in animal conservation efforts.

Yeah, preservationist groups don’t do half of the benefit to the environment that hunters do.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Hunting prevents overpopulation of the animal population, which keeps things like animal epidemics and famines from happening. Also lots of animals are pests and are actively harmful.

I don’t know about the pests part, unless you are specifically thinking about coyotes, but I’m only really experienced in hunting in the western US. The overpopulation part is very true though.

Coyotes are a big one, but even large deer herds cause damage to crops, and beavers cause a massive amount of damage on the farm I sometimes hunt on, so we've been told to just kill beavers whenever we see them.

[Grinning Dragon]

As someone who lived in countryside for 20 years, where lot of different wild animals were living in forest around my land:

Although I have never done it myself, I wholeheartedly support hunt sabotages. There must be something seriously wrong with someone's mental health to go to forest to just kill innocent animals.

Putting food on the table is a sign of mental health deficiencies?
How is hunting bad, but buying meat from a grocer/butcher shop where someone else has done the kill and dressing isn't?

[Dukin Donuts]

As someone who lived in countryside for 20 years, where lot of different wild animals were living in forest around my land:

Although I have never done it myself, I wholeheartedly support hunt sabotages. There must be something seriously wrong with someone's mental health to go to forest to just kill innocent animals.

To be fair, I did look up the meaning of ’hunter sabotage’ and can somewhat see where you are coming from.

If you think hunters themselves are okay with what a few hunters may do illegally than you are completely wrong.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Hunting is something I've read a good deal about, and have always wanted to do, but I'm unfortunate to live in suburbia. Where I live, if someone heard a gun shot, they would probably call the police to report an attack or something. I've always wanted to try small game and deer hunting myself.

It’s definitely fun. I also live in the suburbs, so I only go hunting once a year or so. What have you read about it? If you haven’t read them already, I recommend any books by Peter Hathaway Capstick. He was a professional hunter in Africa who wrote about his experiences and other people’s experiences with big game hunting. Excellent writer, and excellent books.

A lot of people forget that things like safaris in Africa, as long as they are legal and regulated by the government, generate a massive amount of revenue for countries that are often lacking in natural resources, as well as providing a financial incentive for them to engage in conservation instead of rapid economic development that would be harmful to the ecosystem.

[Cekoviu]

not enough people hunt salamanders tbh, the excessive amount of attention directed toward endotherms does a real disservice to humanity

[Kathol Rift]

It’s definitely fun. I also live in the suburbs, so I only go hunting once a year or so. What have you read about it? If you haven’t read them already, I recommend any books by Peter Hathaway Capstick. He was a professional hunter in Africa who wrote about his experiences and other people’s experiences with big game hunting. Excellent writer, and excellent books.

A lot of people forget that things like safaris in Africa, as long as they are legal and regulated by the government, generate a massive amount of revenue for countries that are often lacking in natural resources, as well as providing a financial incentive for them to engage in conservation instead of rapid economic development that would be harmful to the ecosystem.

Oh yeah. So many African economies are in shambles right now just because, in the United States of America’s infinite wisdom (at 6000 miles) has placed so many regulations on import of legally hunted products from Africa. Lots of hunters who would otherwise put lots of money into their economies aren’t doing so if they can’t bring trophies back.

[Cekoviu]

in seriousness tho, people tend to consider hunting as an isolated action that only affects the population of the target species, but that's not the case. ecosystems are fragile and extremely interconnected. excessive trophy hunting of birds can lead to the endangerment of plants for whom they serve as seed dispersers (e.g. Buceros rhinoceros and Amorphophallus titanum). by "solving overpopulation" of one species, you may be indirectly endangering another

[Purple Rats]

Long story short, hunters pay more money for conservation than any anti hunting preservationist group ever will. I really don’t want to report anybody for flaming or trolling in this thread, so if you are a nonhunter or anti-hunter who wants to come here for a civil debate on the subject, be my guest. If you want to come here just to accuse us of being mentally unstable and call us murderers, then please, find another place to post it.

i didn't came to troll or fight, I just gave my side from it. Besides the all "animal killing", which we could anyway never agree I assume. There are bad sides of the hunting more.
For example- if there is lack of food for wolves in forests, then young wolves who are not so smart enough, will go to fields to catch deers and will end up in farms, attacking farm animals. Which leads to another hunt, as now people wanna hunt wolves. So it will always be endless circle.
About animal population control- I don't really think anyway that is our (humans) business to control other animal population.

Here, in Europe, hunter have regulations how much they have to kill. Not only how much they are allowed to, but also how much they have to kill. And this numbers are waay too high, with has really negative effects on animal populations. Even hunters themselves are saying that. And it does seem really weird, that people are they "need to kill too much", while they actually enjoy a lot of it, as nobody ever asked them to be hunter.

I kind of get the adrenaline what people get from hunting: sport, and fun and etc, but there are other possibility for getting that, I really don't think hunting is the only way.

And "Lot of animals are pests and hurtful"- to humans, who have taken over their lands, tho.

[United Muscovite Nations]

in seriousness tho, people tend to consider hunting as an isolated action that only affects the population of the target species, but that's not the case. ecosystems are fragile and extremely interconnected. excessive trophy hunting of birds can lead to the endangerment of plants for whom they serve as seed dispersers (e.g. Buceros rhinoceros and Amorphophallus titanum). by "solving overpopulation" of one species, you may be indirectly endangering another

That is why you have strict regulations about how many things can be killed and strict regulations against poaching.

[Cekoviu]

in seriousness tho, people tend to consider hunting as an isolated action that only affects the population of the target species, but that's not the case. ecosystems are fragile and extremely interconnected. excessive trophy hunting of birds can lead to the endangerment of plants for whom they serve as seed dispersers (e.g. Buceros rhinoceros and Amorphophallus titanum). by "solving overpopulation" of one species, you may be indirectly endangering another

That is why you have strict regulations about how many things can be killed and strict regulations against poaching.

except in places where they don't have those or they aren't enforced well, like sumatra

[United Muscovite Nations]

Long story short, hunters pay more money for conservation than any anti hunting preservationist group ever will. I really don’t want to report anybody for flaming or trolling in this thread, so if you are a nonhunter or anti-hunter who wants to come here for a civil debate on the subject, be my guest. If you want to come here just to accuse us of being mentally unstable and call us murderers, then please, find another place to post it.

i didn't came to troll or fight, I just gave my side from it. Besides the all "animal killing", which we could anyway never agree I assume. There are bad sides of the hunting more.
For example- if there is lack of food for wolves in forests, then young wolves who are not so smart enough, will go to fields to catch deers and will end up in farms, attacking farm animals. Which leads to another hunt, as now people wanna hunt wolves. So it will always be endless circle.
About animal population control- I don't really think anyway that is our (humans) business to control other animal population.

Here, in Europe, hunter have regulations how much they have to kill. Not only how much they are allowed to, but also how much they have to kill. And this numbers are waay too high, with has really negative effects on animal populations. Even hunters themselves are saying that. And it does seem really weird, that people are they "need to kill too much", while they actually enjoy a lot of it, as nobody ever asked them to be hunter.

I kind of get the adrenaline what people get from hunting: sport, and fun and etc, but there are other possibility for getting that, I really don't think hunting is the only way.

And "Lot of animals are pests and hurtful"- to humans, who have taken over their lands, tho.

Here in the US, a decline in hunting has led to a measurable and prolific increase in epidemic disease among the deer population, as an example.

[Purple Rats]

How is hunting bad, but buying meat from a grocer/butcher shop where someone else has done the kill and dressing isn't?

I have never said it isn't. But giving up meat is way more difficult to majority of people than giving up hunting. Lot of meat eaters also don't support hunters. Lot of people who live in countryside, who could be affected by these so called "pests", also don't support hunters.

[United Muscovite Nations]

That is why you have strict regulations about how many things can be killed and strict regulations against poaching.

except in places where they don't have those or they aren't enforced well, like sumatra

That is a problem for Indonesia. But it's not a good reason to totally ban hunting in places like Europe and the United States.

[United Muscovite Nations]

How is hunting bad, but buying meat from a grocer/butcher shop where someone else has done the kill and dressing isn't?

I have never said it isn't. But giving up meat is way more difficult to majority of people than giving up hunting. Lot of meat eaters also don't support hunters. Lot of people who live in countryside, who could be affected by these so called "pests", also don't support hunters.

Hunting animals is far more humane than anything in the meat industry.

[Bromagia]

As someone who lived in countryside for 20 years, where lot of different wild animals were living in forest around my land:

Although I have never done it myself, I wholeheartedly support hunt sabotages. There must be something seriously wrong with someone's mental health to go to forest to just kill innocent animals.

Luckily hunt sabotages are illegal in many places.

Animals aren't innocent. Creatures incapable of guilt are incapable of innocence. And just because you don't do it with your own hands doesn't mean you don't have the figurative blood of animals on your hands.

in seriousness tho, people tend to consider hunting as an isolated action that only affects the population of the target species, but that's not the case. ecosystems are fragile and extremely interconnected. excessive trophy hunting of birds can lead to the endangerment of plants for whom they serve as seed dispersers (e.g. Buceros rhinoceros and Amorphophallus titanum). by "solving overpopulation" of one species, you may be indirectly endangering another

Which is why tags and bag limits exist. Like it or not all "wild" systems in the US are actually highly managed and hunting is one of the cornerstones of managing wildlife.

i didn't came to troll or fight, I just gave my side from it. Besides the all "animal killing", which we could anyway never agree I assume. There are bad sides of the hunting more.
For example- if there is lack of food for wolves in forests, then young wolves who are not so smart enough, will go to fields to catch deers and will end up in farms, attacking farm animals. Which leads to another hunt, as now people wanna hunt wolves. So it will always be endless circle.
About animal population control- I don't really think anyway that is our (humans) business to control other animal population.

Here, in Europe, hunter have regulations how much they have to kill. Not only how much they are allowed to, but also how much they have to kill. And this numbers are waay too high, with has really negative effects on animal populations. Even hunters themselves are saying that. And it does seem really weird, that people are they "need to kill too much", while they actually enjoy a lot of it, as nobody ever asked them to be hunter.

I kind of get the adrenaline what people get from hunting: sport, and fun and etc, but there are other possibility for getting that, I really don't think hunting is the only way.

And "Lot of animals are pests and hurtful"- to humans, who have taken over their lands, tho.

Here in the US, a decline in hunting has led to a measurable and prolific increase in epidemic disease among the deer population, as an example.

Hunting restrictions against predatory species has similar effects.