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The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Integralism is a form of fascism and he identifies as one. *shrug*

That's incorrect. Catholic Integralism is not fascism. I am strongly opposed to fascism.

Depends on how you define fascism. Fascism in Italy had a very close relationship with the Catholic church, and so it did too in Spain...Only one (1) fascist country truly did anything against the Catholic church, and even then it was questionable whether it was religiously-motivated or not.
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Sundiata wrote:That's incorrect. Catholic Integralism is not fascism. I am strongly opposed to fascism.

Depends on how you define fascism. Fascism in Italy had a very close relationship with the Catholic church, and so it did too in Spain...Only one (1) fascist country truly did anything against the Catholic church, and even then it was questionable whether it was religiously-motivated or not.

I am a Catholic who expresses my spirituality through the Opus Dei prelature; I do not subscribe to fascist ideologies, fascist creeds, or fascist oaths.

I ask politely that you recant that accusation, thank you.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:34 pm

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Ah yes. John Kennedy, the man who was a drug addict and an adulterer. What a great example of a catholic. He was a racist too by the way. Boogey republics and all.

Rumors. John F. Kennedy stood for what is right.

Sure, when it came to domestic politics he stood for what was right at the time.

In his personal life however? lol, He was a massive Ritalin, opioid, and meth addict who started sleeping around behind Jackie's back with some of the most rich and powerful women in America almost as soon as the two of them got married. (Examples include but are not limited to: Gene Tierney, Marilyn Monroe, Gunilla von Post, Mary Pinochet, etc...)
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:36 pm

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Sundiata wrote:Rumors. John F. Kennedy stood for what is right.

Sure, when it came to domestic politics he stood for what was right at the time.

In his personal life however? lol, He was a massive opioid and meth addict who started sleeping around behind Jackie's back with some of the most rich and powerful women in America almost as soon as the two of them got married.

I'm aware of the rumors but I haven't seen any strong evidence for those claims of adultery or excessive opioid use. If the opioid use was heavy, I imagine it was to address his health conditions.
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Postby Dollystana » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:38 pm

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Postby New haven america » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:39 pm

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New haven america wrote:Sure, when it came to domestic politics he stood for what was right at the time.

In his personal life however? lol, He was a massive opioid and meth addict who started sleeping around behind Jackie's back with some of the most rich and powerful women in America almost as soon as the two of them got married.

I'm aware of the rumors but I haven't seen any strong evidence for those claims of adultery.

His former doctor came out with his drug problem and Jackie as well as several of his mistresses (Including Gene Tierney, Mary Pinochet, etc...) came out with his numerous affairs.

But sure, the people who were directly involved in his life aren't reputable sources. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Nuloerkun » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:58 pm

Southern Lainne Oniordia wrote:Around 70 million people will ultimately agree that Trump is one of the best Presidents ever. The evidence is overwhelming in what he has done. Under his economic policies, the U.S. economy was the strongest it has been in all of this Board's lifetimes, and many more decades. Unemployment was virtually non-existent. This post will certainly bring the Trump haters to respond, but so be it. One of the absolute worst Presidents in our history was Barack Obama. No one but him would give billions of dollars to a communist dictatorship in Iran.


70 million may say he's the best, but probably more say he's the worst. I put him at 2nd worst, behind Andrew Jackson, who was almost as bad a leader as *oof*ing Hitler. Washington, on the other hand, was more sympathetic towards the natives, although the genocide began 100 years earlier.

Obama isn't so controversial, with very few people putting him at an extreme point in the rankings. I also put him in the bottom half of the rankings, closer to 30th than the very bottom though. Also, Iran is not communist, it is a more antique-style Islamic monarchy.
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Postby Ayytaly » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:56 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:1. Name me a president who treated the indians well in the antebellum period?

Compared to Jackson, every president treated the Indians well.

But sure, John Quincy Adams
https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/indian-policy-fraudulent-and-brutal-says-john-quincy-adams-Rv7toLuKtEKF7j6K6F9PVA
-Opposed the Indian Springs Treaty after it had been signed and wanted to reverse it
-Reversed the unfair treaty with the 1826 Treaty of Washington
-Refused to support Georgia’s aggressive pressure for Indian removal, arguing that removal should be voluntary
-Did his best to beat brutal mass murderer Andrew Jackson in the election and stop him from being president
-Called Indian abuse "among the heinous sins of this nation"


Ethel mermania wrote:2. If you dont own property, you have jackson to thank for your right to vote.

Since I'm not white that would probably be Ulysses S. Grant, actually.


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I have a feeling you'd only spare black people if genocidal aliens left humanity's fate in your hands...

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Sundiata wrote:Rumors. John F. Kennedy stood for what is right.


John Kennedy was the Hillary Clinton of the early 1960s. He was a racist, a cheater, and all around one of the fakest motherfuckers in the city of Washington DC. He was the classic politician. His vice president was no better. I feel for Jackie, considering that her husband had to go and treat her like second class property, out there giving Marilyn Monroe the Kennedick.


Hilary? JFK was the 60s Bill Clinton. Suave, sexy and had all the ladies fall for him.

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The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:What, like gassing children?


John Kennedy was that guy who would write a book about civil rights while calling African nations boogey republics. If I was the head of an African country, I would have only called him long enough to tell him to kiss my ass.


Only search result I got from "JFK boogie republic" was from a totally-unbiased Real Clear Politics article.

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Southern Lainne Oniordia wrote:Around 70 million people will ultimately agree that Trump is one of the best Presidents ever. The evidence is overwhelming in what he has done. Under his economic policies, the U.S. economy was the strongest it has been in all of this Board's lifetimes, and many more decades. Unemployment was virtually non-existent. This post will certainly bring the Trump haters to respond, but so be it. One of the absolute worst Presidents in our history was Barack Obama. No one but him would give billions of dollars to a communist dictatorship in Iran.


70 million may say he's the best, but probably more say he's the worst. I put him at 2nd worst, behind Andrew Jackson, who was almost as bad a leader as *oof*ing Hitler. Washington, on the other hand, was more sympathetic towards the natives, although the genocide began 100 years earlier.


A lot of the Founding Fathers were sympathetic, but ultimately hypocrites as well.

Obama isn't so controversial, with very few people putting him at an extreme point in the rankings. I also put him in the bottom half of the rankings, closer to 30th than the very bottom though. Also, Iran is not communist, it is a more antique-style Islamic monarchy.


Barry's major controversy at the start was that he's black, which was just an issue the [right wing] media fabricated (Trump's birtherism movement stemmed off of that).He started off well for me, until he got involved in the Trayvon Martin shooting, which was a major race-baited issue at the time. That's when I stopped supporting him.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:03 am

Ayytaly wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Compared to Jackson, every president treated the Indians well.

But sure, John Quincy Adams
https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/indian-policy-fraudulent-and-brutal-says-john-quincy-adams-Rv7toLuKtEKF7j6K6F9PVA
-Opposed the Indian Springs Treaty after it had been signed and wanted to reverse it
-Reversed the unfair treaty with the 1826 Treaty of Washington
-Refused to support Georgia’s aggressive pressure for Indian removal, arguing that removal should be voluntary
-Did his best to beat brutal mass murderer Andrew Jackson in the election and stop him from being president
-Called Indian abuse "among the heinous sins of this nation"



Since I'm not white that would probably be Ulysses S. Grant, actually.


The Virgin Jackson vs the Chad Quincy

Rojava Free State wrote:You're black?


I have a feeling you'd only spare black people if genocidal aliens left humanity's fate in your hands...

Rojava Free State wrote:
John Kennedy was the Hillary Clinton of the early 1960s. He was a racist, a cheater, and all around one of the fakest motherfuckers in the city of Washington DC. He was the classic politician. His vice president was no better. I feel for Jackie, considering that her husband had to go and treat her like second class property, out there giving Marilyn Monroe the Kennedick.


Hilary? JFK was the 60s Bill Clinton. Suave, sexy and had all the ladies fall for him.

Rojava Free State wrote:
John Kennedy was that guy who would write a book about civil rights while calling African nations boogey republics. If I was the head of an African country, I would have only called him long enough to tell him to kiss my ass.


Only search result I got from "JFK boogie republic" was from a totally-unbiased Real Clear Politics article.

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70 million may say he's the best, but probably more say he's the worst. I put him at 2nd worst, behind Andrew Jackson, who was almost as bad a leader as *oof*ing Hitler. Washington, on the other hand, was more sympathetic towards the natives, although the genocide began 100 years earlier.


A lot of the Founding Fathers were sympathetic, but ultimately hypocrites as well.

Obama isn't so controversial, with very few people putting him at an extreme point in the rankings. I also put him in the bottom half of the rankings, closer to 30th than the very bottom though. Also, Iran is not communist, it is a more antique-style Islamic monarchy.


Barry's major controversy at the start was that he's black, which was just an issue the [right wing] media fabricated (Trump's birtherism movement stemmed off of that).He started off well for me, until he got involved in the Trayvon Martin shooting, which was a major race-baited issue at the time. That's when I stopped supporting him.

Honestly I think it's too soon to rate obama as well. And I agree I dont think he helped race relations in this country, (full disclosure: I voted against him twice).

One thing I did like about him I think he was very thoughtful about his place as president, and I dont think I have seen that in a president, Republican or Democrat in a very long while.
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Rojava Free State wrote:You're black?


I have a feeling you'd only spare black people if genocidal aliens left humanity's fate in your hands...


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Postby Astarey » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:15 am

Solidly the top 3 US Presidents were Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. Barely even kidding.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:16 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:

I have a feeling you'd only spare black people if genocidal aliens left humanity's fate in your hands...


What's with the Engrish?

Among other things they drive on the wrong side of the road.
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Astarey wrote:Solidly the top 3 US Presidents were Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. Barely even kidding.


You fool! Actually, maybe not, Lenin wasn't that bad, but you'll be shocked at this.

Mao resulted in enough deaths (120 million, almost equal to the entire population of the USA at that time!) that China's population decreased until 1975. Nothing can excuse someone responsible for this many deaths.

Stalin, while having a lower total death count (50 million), also has resulted in the Russian population declining until today.


For me, the worst were:
1. Jackson
2. Trump
3. Buchanan
4. Van Buren
5. Clinton

Obama was probably something like 12th from the bottom, the most recent Bush was probably somewhat higher but still below average. The elder Bush is between 7th and 10th from the bottom.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:59 pm

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Astarey wrote:Solidly the top 3 US Presidents were Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. Barely even kidding.


You fool! Actually, maybe not, Lenin wasn't that bad, but you'll be shocked at this.

Mao resulted in enough deaths (120 million, almost equal to the entire population of the USA at that time!) that China's population decreased until 1975. Nothing can excuse someone responsible for this many deaths.

Stalin, while having a lower total death count (50 million), also has resulted in the Russian population declining until today.


For me, the worst were:
1. Jackson
2. Trump
3. Buchanan
4. Van Buren
5. Clinton

Obama was probably something like 12th from the bottom, the most recent Bush was probably somewhat higher but still below average. The elder Bush is between 7th and 10th from the bottom.

INCORRECT!

https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... population

It literally took a google search to figure that out. Mao, safe to say, did not kill 120 million people.

Second one is also false:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... r_USSR.PNG

The population of the USSR did not decline until it dissolved, at least from 1950 onwards.

Also...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... viet_Union

Between 1920 and 1959, the population of the Soviet Union increased by approximately 60 million, meaning your claim is utter bullshit.
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Postby Nuloerkun » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:02 pm

Astarey wrote:Solidly the top 3 US Presidents were Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. Barely even kidding.


Are you a real grandchild of the well-known Henry Kissinger? It's sad how one who could have been a well above average president has such an evil family member... he will curse you out on his deathbed some day in the next few years...
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The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Nuloerkun wrote:
You fool! Actually, maybe not, Lenin wasn't that bad, but you'll be shocked at this.

Mao resulted in enough deaths (120 million, almost equal to the entire population of the USA at that time!) that China's population decreased until 1975. Nothing can excuse someone responsible for this many deaths.

Stalin, while having a lower total death count (50 million), also has resulted in the Russian population declining until today.


For me, the worst were:
1. Jackson
2. Trump
3. Buchanan
4. Van Buren
5. Clinton

Obama was probably something like 12th from the bottom, the most recent Bush was probably somewhat higher but still below average. The elder Bush is between 7th and 10th from the bottom.

INCORRECT!

https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... population

It literally took a google search to figure that out. Mao, safe to say, did not kill 120 million people.

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Agarntrop wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:INCORRECT!

https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... population

It literally took a google search to figure that out. Mao, safe to say, did not kill 120 million people.

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He said that the population of China decreased until 1975 due to it. It might be fallacious, but it is reasonable to rule out that Mao killed 120 million people.
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Postby Morover » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:05 pm

1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. Jefferson


1. Buchanan
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Yes, that's correct. There is still room for 120 million deaths from 1950 to 1975 in that chart...

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The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:there is a thing called birth

He said that the population of China decreased until 1975 due to it. It might be fallacious, but it is reasonable to rule out that Mao killed 120 million people.

I heard the toll was more like 65 million
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:08 pm

Nuloerkun wrote:Yes, that's correct. There is still room for 120 million deaths from 1950 to 1975 in that chart...

But you stated that the population of China declined until 1975, when that is demonstrably false.
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Also, how could you forget Andrew Jackson with his millions of deaths? That's just me being mindless...
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:09 pm

Morover wrote:
1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. Jefferson


1. Buchanan
2. Harding
3. (Andrew) Johnson

Why do Americans like Washington so much? I mean, it confuses me. Nobody gives tributes to James I or Queen Anne, so to be frank, what is with the Washington love?

Also, I'm surprised Wilson isn't on more lists.
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