The morality of casual sex

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Outside of joining a Catholic cult, I mean.

Opus Dei is not a cult.

It’s a prelature, with a boatload of controversy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv ... t_Opus_Dei

But we’re not here to talk about Opus Dei.

[Neanderthaland]

Outside of joining a Catholic cult, I mean.

Opus Dei is not a cult and would love to have you as a member.

No cult ever admits it's a cult.

[Galloism]

Opus Dei is not a cult.

It’s a prelature, with a boatload of controversy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv ... t_Opus_Dei

But we’re not here to talk about Opus Dei.

Weren’t they the ones that hid the holy grail?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It’s a prelature, with a boatload of controversy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv ... t_Opus_Dei

But we’re not here to talk about Opus Dei.

Weren’t they the ones that hid the holy grail?

Put your Da Vinci Code down, Elmo.

[Senkaku]

Even the couple who goes on chaste dates, falls deeply in love but waits to have sex, gets married, and goes on to have kids and live out the rest of their days together is going to have their love change over time. That's a part of being alive in the world. If you believe there is a kind of deep relationship whose emotional dynamics continue unchanged throughout all of a person's life, you are more totally divorced from the human experience than anyone I've ever encountered.

There is a love that's deep and doesn't change, the love of God.

Pretty sure most good Christians wouldn't want to fuck God or have babies with Him.

When we marry someone we're called to love that person in the same way, regardless of our feelings, our experiences, our life in this world.

That is not possible, and does not happen. Even in a loving and stable Christian marriage, the nature of love and the state of the relationship is vastly different at 25 than at 75. Things happen in life that change people and change relationships. It's not avoidable.

Does that simplify why Catholic love is not casual?

No, it clarifies you have no idea what you're yammering on about. I'm not sure whether you've never met another human, never experienced love, or feel some very disordered things about your deity, or some combination of the three.

[Albrenia]

Opus Dei is not a cult and would love to have you as a member.

No cult ever admits it's a cult.

Therefore, if you say you are a cult, you cannot be a cult.

Checkmate Atheists.

[Sundiata]

Opus Dei is not a cult.

It’s a prelature, with a boatload of controversy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv ... t_Opus_Dei

But we’re not here to talk about Opus Dei.

True. We're here to discuss sexual ethics. I will say this though, Opus Dei has been a huge help for me in knowing the value of chastity.

[Grinning Dragon]

It’s a prelature, with a boatload of controversy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv ... t_Opus_Dei

But we’re not here to talk about Opus Dei.

Weren’t they the ones that hid the holy grail?

Yes, and it's locked away in the "Tomb of the Unknown Soldier"

[WayNeacTia]

I see no problems with casual sex and neither does my girlfriend. My wife has no problems with it either.

[Neanderthaland]

My wife has no problems with it either.

It's true. She doesn't.

[Diahon]

I see no problems with casual sex and neither does my girlfriend. My wife has no problems with it either.

oh, a menage a trois? or just straight up cheating? do tell

[The Free Joy State]

Yes. Loveless missionary sex for the sole purpose of procreation.

Loveless? No. That's how love is made.

No, dear. That's not how love is made. You see, love usually comes before marriage.

You see, when a man and a woman, or a woman and a woman, or a man and a man love each other very much, they may decide they want to spend the rest of their life together. If they want to get married, this may involve marriage.

As for sex "only" being for procreation, sex has health benefits, relationship benefits, and research -- to get back to the thread topic suggest that -- "If casual sexual activity doesn’t violate your moral code, your sense of integrity, or the commitments you have made to yourself and/or others, then it’s probably not going to be a problem for you in terms of your psychological wellbeing."

So, if things are a problem for you, you personally shouldn't do them.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

I see no problems with casual sex and neither does my girlfriend. My wife has no problems with it either.

oh, a menage a trois? or just straight up cheating? do tell

Some people are okay with open relationships. I think it could only work if there's really open communication between not only both partners, but also anyone else who'd care to get involved. I've never had the privilege of being offered membership in one, but I know it's a thing...

[Purple Rats]

Some people are okay with open relationships. I think it could only work if there's really open communication between not only both partners, but also anyone else who'd care to get involved. I've never had the privilege of being offered membership in one, but I know it's a thing...

https://www.morethantwo.com

[Dogmeat]

So a parent cannot have unconditional love for their child, and vice-versa? A person cannot have unconditional love for a close friend? Those in a long-term, committed relationship cannot have unconditional love unless they are married?

Thou shalt not lie.

Typo. I meant to say that unconditional love does not only exist between married couples.

And, indeed, marriage is not necessary for lovers to express unconditional love. If it were, then that love would be conditional.

Because that's how logic works.

[Sundiata]

Typo. I meant to say that unconditional love does not only exist between married couples.

And, indeed, marriage is not necessary for lovers to express unconditional love. If it were, then that love would be conditional.

Because that's how logic works.

Sacramental marriage is necessary for lovers to fully express unconditional love or the love God has for humanity through romance, as unconditional love is not just a feeling. It's a skill, a service, a gift. Unconditional love can exist without marriage but is expressed and achieved in the romantic form through one's marriage.

The way we express unconditional love for our friends and family, however, does not actually require the sacrament of marriage as it would in the case of eros or romance.

[Ethel mermania]

Unconditional love is the part our neanderthal friend was objecting too.

I don't have a problem with unconditional love. I just think that calling it that, and then saying it can only exist between married couples... well, that's QUITE OBVIOUSLY a condition.

Incompletely phrased on my part. I meant

The condition of unconditional love is the part....

[Ethel mermania]

My wife has no problems with it either.

It's true. She doesn't.

She digs big fletching stones eh?

[Sundiata]

Loveless? No. That's how love is made.

No, dear. That's not how love is made. You see, love usually comes before marriage.

You see, when a man and a woman, or a woman and a woman, or a man and a man love each other very much, they may decide they want to spend the rest of their life together. If they want to get married, this may involve marriage.

As for sex "only" being for procreation, sex has health benefits, relationship benefits, and research -- to get back to the thread topic suggest that -- "If casual sexual activity doesn’t violate your moral code, your sense of integrity, or the commitments you have made to yourself and/or others, then it’s probably not going to be a problem for you in terms of your psychological wellbeing."

So, if things are a problem for you, you personally shouldn't do them.

Unconditional love exists independently of circumstance. It is the love God has for humanity.

To completely express unconditional love through romance requires the sacrament of marriage and its consummation, post-marital coitus. That is to say it requires people to, "make love," in accordance with the figure of speech.

[WayNeacTia]

I see no problems with casual sex and neither does my girlfriend. My wife has no problems with it either.

oh, a menage a trois? or just straight up cheating? do tell

More like an open secret. Both of us have other partners outside of marriage. Not poly either.

[Sundiata]

Opus Dei is not a cult and would love to have you as a member.

No cult ever admits it's a cult.

No cult ever admits it's a cult.

Therefore, if you say you are a cult, you cannot be a cult.

Checkmate Atheists.

Opus Dei is a means of expressing God's love; I love it with my whole heart. It's more profound than casual sex, that's for sure.

[Nakena]

No cult ever admits it's a cult.

Therefore, if you say you are a cult, you cannot be a cult.

Checkmate Atheists.

Opus Dei is a means of expressing God's love; I love it with my whole heart. It's more profound than casual sex, that's for sure.

Perhaps you have not yet sucessfully tempted to give in to the pleasures of the flesh. Given that you, by your own admission, have repeatedly turned down several woman who desired to share those with you and that you are - as i believe - a young and perhaps even handsome male in his best young years, this is unfortunate from the perspective of my gods (Demons or Satan to yours, I am certain).

I bet those woman really wanted you, didn they?

[Sundiata]

Opus Dei is a means of expressing God's love; I love it with my whole heart. It's more profound than casual sex, that's for sure.

Perhaps you have not yet sucessfully tempted to give in to the pleasures of the flesh. Given that you, by your own admission, have repeatedly turned down several woman who desired to share those with you and that you are - as i believe - a young and perhaps even handsome male in his best young years, this is quite unfortunate from the perspective of my gods (Demons or Satan to yours, I am certain).

I appreciate the sentiment.


With the single life comes many joys. While I am not married yet, I believe that the best years are yet to come regarding God's purpose for my life.

I bet those woman really wanted you, didn't they?

Not me, what they thought of me.

A fantasy.

[Ginicun]

as somebody that does ERP/nude-sending, i think that any action that has consenting teenagers/adults (not talking about pedophilia) and no intent to cause harm to anybody else is fine with me.

[The Free Joy State]

No, dear. That's not how love is made. You see, love usually comes before marriage.

You see, when a man and a woman, or a woman and a woman, or a man and a man love each other very much, they may decide they want to spend the rest of their life together. If they want to get married, this may involve marriage.

As for sex "only" being for procreation, sex has health benefits, relationship benefits, and research -- to get back to the thread topic suggest that -- "If casual sexual activity doesn’t violate your moral code, your sense of integrity, or the commitments you have made to yourself and/or others, then it’s probably not going to be a problem for you in terms of your psychological wellbeing."

So, if things are a problem for you, you personally shouldn't do them.

Unconditional love exists independently of circumstance. It is the love God has for humanity.

Unconditional love exists whether or not people don't believe in God. Unless you are saying atheist parents do not feel unconditional love for their children.

To completely express unconditional love through romance requires the sacrament of marriage and its consummation, post-marital coitus. That is to say it requires people to, "make love," in accordance with the figure of speech.

I want a citation -- not the Bible, not a holy book, not anything written by a single Theologian and nothing from Opus Dei -- I want an accredited study (not that crock from the Institute of Family Studies you tried wheeling out earlier). Otherwise it ain't true.

And -- as for the unconditional love of marriage -- a couple married as virgins in holy sacrament, where one party starts beating the living shit out of the other -- is that "unconditional love"? The kind you claim automatically and can only come from a marriage?

Is the love of two unmarried equals -- who respect each other and sleep together and where neither harms the other -- wrong, while that where one married party beats the other a wonderful blessed union.

Tell me, Sundiata. What does your conscience say?