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RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:19 pm
by Fahran

Right Wing Discussion Thread XX
The System Is Kapp Putsch



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Remember to keep to topics related to right-wing politics. Whilst the conversation may naturally meander around such areas as religion, philosophy and, of course, left-wing ideology, please, please try to limit discussion of these topics to their relevance to the political right. We leave it up to posters to decide for themselves what constitutes "right-wing" in political jargon. Respect your fellow posters, abide by the site rules, and be prepared to have your views challenged, mocked, torn apart, shit on, and flushed down the toilet.

Relevant subjects for discussion include:

  • The politics, philosophies, and ideologies of the right.
  • Right-wing perspectives on economics and political economy.
  • Cultural issues from right-wing perspectives.
  • News and history relevant to the political right.
  • Right-wing responses to current events.
  • Political, social, cultural, and economic problems and their solutions according to the political Right.
  • The problems facing particular Right-wing movements or the political right in general, and how to resolve them.

Previous Iterations:
Part I | Part II | Part III | Part IV | Part V | Part VI | Part VII | Part VIII | Part IX | Part X | Part XI | Part XII | Part XIII | Part XIV | Part XV | Part XVI | Part XVIII | Part XIX


Poll History:

Poll 1: Is Cultural Marxism a Problem? (Jochistan) - 54% Voted Yes
Poll 2: Favourite Right-Wing Politicians? (Kauthar) - 25% voted Donald Trump
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Autocrats (Unnamed Island State) - 45% voted Vladamir Putin
Poll 4: Best Right-Wing Countries (Kauthar) - Putin's Russia 21%
Poll 5: Best Right-Wing Idealogue (Legitimists)

Poll 1: What Right-Wing Ideology do you adhere to? - 55 votes for Libertarian
Poll 2 Favourite Right-Wing Economic System - 31 votes for Neoliberalism
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator - 18 Votes Kai Shek and Pinochet
Poll 4: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator PART 2 - David Cameron 49%
Poll 5: Prominent Right-Wing NSers/Favourite Future Right-Wing Dictator - Old Tyrannia 39 votes/29%
Poll 6: Favourite Fictional Right-Wing Dictators - Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) 43 Votes/23%

Poll 0.1: Continue the Old Poll Y/N
Poll 1: Favourite Right-Wing Ideologies - Libertarianism/Minarchism

Poll 1: Favorite Centre-Right Parties - Republican Party (US) 39%
Poll 2: What should be the most important core value of a state ideology? Liberty 47%

Poll 1: Which piece of literature has been most significant to the development of right-wing ideology? - Reflections on the Revolution in France 68/237 (29%)
Poll 2: Favourite constitutional/government models? - US 166/528 (31%)

Poll 1: If you could reverse the outcomes of one of these events, which one would it be? - The Russian Revolution 116/343 (34%)
Poll 2: If you could ensure the survival of one empire at their height, which would it be? - The Roman Empire 119/495 (24%)

Do you drink alcohol and what's your opinion of it?
No, and I have a negative opinion of it. It should remain legal. - 57 (36%)
Total Votes: 157 (Recorded 09/01/2017)

Poll 1: Which of the following Trump picks are you most happy with? And are you overall satisfied with them? - James Norman Mattis 92/384 Terrible picks, what have we gotten ourselves into. 97/384
Poll 2: Is Islam compatible with western civilisation? No - 102/330. If reformed yes - 102/330
Poll 3: Which side, for the sake of mankind, should have won WW1? The Allied Powers - 225/385
Poll 4: Was the Reformation a good thing? Yes - 146/287

Poll 1: If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be? Treaty of Versailles - 365/564

Poll 1: What stance do you take on immigration? Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Melting-pot model. - 204/814

Poll 1: Which Kievan/Novrogrodian/Russian/Soviet leader was the greatest? Peter I The Great. 66/210

Poll 1: Which Japanese Shogunate was the most glorious? - MacArthur Shogunate :'). 289/450

Poll I: How should the government interact with religion? - Secularism 124/212 (58%)
Poll II: What's your favorite Eastern Philosophy? - Confucianism 45/206 (22%), Other/None 56/206 (27%)
Poll III: What's your favorite style of architecture? - Gothic 33/189 (17%)
Poll IV: To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe? - Natural Law Theory 20/112 (18%)

Poll I: Who is your favourite right-wing fiction writer? - JRR Tolkien 101/187 (54%)
Poll II: Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synonymous? - No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist (34%)

Poll I: Is Jair Bolsonaro's presidency a good thing for Brazil? - No 101/196 (52%)
Poll II: Has Angela Merkel's leadership been good for Germany? - No 112/222 (50%)
Poll III: Has Donald Trump's presidency so far been beneficial to the United States? - No 82/149 (55%)
Poll IV: Has Shinzo Abe's leadership been good for Japan? - Unsure 52/119 (44%)

Lawful Good
41
18%
Lawful Neutral
24
10%
Lawful Evil
23
10%
Neutral Good
25
11%
Neutral Neutral
12
5%
Neutral Evil
12
5%
Chaotic Good
26
11%
Chaotic Neutral
35
15%
Chaotic Evil
32
14%

Would you support a Chinese-Style lockdown in your country to contain the Coronavirus?
Yes - 48% (157)
No - 38% (125)
Unsure 14% (46)

If you had to choose a leftist government to live under, which one would you choose?
The United States under FDR - 31% (225)


What is your opinion of drugs and drug-trafficking?
Drugs are a moral evil and drug-trafficking is peak degeneracy. - 38% (56)

Who is your favorite White Army general?
I have bad opinions and so I think Trotsky was better than any White Army general. 31% (42)
Ungern-Sternberg (because I know y'all love memes) 29% (39)


Reading Suggestions:
If you’re looking to read something relevant to right-wing politics, consider reading some of the texts below. If you think something’s missing from this list, please post a recommendation. If you think something should be removed, please explain why.

  • ”Leviathan”
    — Thomas Hobbes. (Read Here)
  • ”Two Treatises of Government”
    — John Locke. (Read Here)
  • ”The Protestant Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.”
    — Max Weber.
  • ”Reflections on the Revolution in France”
    — Edmund Burke. (Read Here)
  • ”The Wealth Of Nations”
    — Adam Smith. (Read Here)
  • ”Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions and other Human Institutions”
    — Joseph de Maistre. (Read Here)
  • ”Rerum novarum”
    — Pope Leo XIII. (Read Here)
  • ”The Crisis of the Modern World”
    — Rene Guenon. (Read Here)
  • ”The Doctrine Of Fascism”
    — Benito Mussolini. (Read Here)
  • ”The Conservative Mind”
    — Russell Kirk.
  • "On the Constutution of Church and State"
    — Samuel Taylor Coleridge
  • "Political Theology"
    — Carl Schmitt (Read Here)
  • "Revolt Against The Modern World"
    — Julius Evola
  • "How To Be A Conservative"
    — Roger Scruton


If you have a penchant for the color red and the thought of top hats and canes stirs your bloodlust because you always lose the family games of monopoly, you might find yourself fitting in better over at the Left-Wing Discussion Thread.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:20 pm
by Purple Rats
Ha-haa, Questarian New Yorkshire. :D

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:20 pm
by Cekoviu
this is going to be a disaster of biblical proportions

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:20 pm
by United Muscovite Nations
>tfw actually 23
Fucking kill me

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:20 pm
by Italios
WHY DIDN'T MARCHES MAKE THE OP? disgusting and misandrist. at least you kept the bb code messed up.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:21 pm
by Fahran
I just realized we're going to get a 22nd iteration of the thread. I kinda rushed it so the pun is lame. I'll fix that in due time. I'm updating the polls section now and trying to come up with a new poll.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:22 pm
by Nap the Magnificent
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>tfw actually 23
Fucking kill me

23 is the new 15

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:22 pm
by Diopolis
Ah, that new thread smell. Like a dumpster fire, or rotten meat.
Purple Rats wrote:
Italios wrote:you literally just said that legalizing sex work decreases sex trafficking, i'm saying that's a false narrative that's used to defend a position that actually sees more men, women and children involved in sexual slavery


I did not say that TRAFFICKING would be decreased. My point was that it would be more safe for people who work in industry voluntarily (as sex workers). As there would be regulations. I do understand trafficking problems, that's why I said also that it's difficult topic, not that "we should all legalize it".

But I re-read by post, and yes, I understand where the misunderstanding came. My mistake, with phrasing, as I did not count trafficking from other countries first.

I mean, stripping is legal, and that seems to be a job with a fair amount of exposure to violence from customers.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:24 pm
by Italios
crosspost because you people are slow at responding

Bienenhalde wrote:
Italios wrote:this is not a real argument, next caller


I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and not make an assumption one way or the other. It would be nice if you could actually answer my question, even if my cynicism did have some influence on the way I phrased it.

i'm not answering your question because it's loaded so that you can either force me to abandon my very real beliefs or just call me a random virtue-signaling "ist" for my beliefs.
Purple Rats wrote:
Italios wrote:you literally just said that legalizing sex work decreases sex trafficking, i'm saying that's a false narrative that's used to defend a position that actually sees more men, women and children involved in sexual slavery


I did not say that TRAFFICKING would be decreased. My point was that it would be more safe for people who work in industry voluntarily (as sex workers). As there would be regulations. I do understand trafficking problems, that's why I said also that it's difficult topic, not that "we should all legalize it".

But I re-read by post, and yes, I understand where the misunderstanding came. My mistake, with phrasing, as I did not count trafficking from other countries first.

okay, but the issue with that is that legalized sex work with "regulations" means presumably sex trafficking is still illegal. because sex trafficking is done explicitly without verbal or written consent, it can't even be "coerced consent" like "regular" sex work, which is why the division exists. thus when we partially legalize sex work, more people are trafficked, so there's less protection for those people. does this make sense?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:24 pm
by LRON
I do not understand the title. It quite clearly states it is the twentieth thread not the twenty second.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:25 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
You should add to the list of topics , cultural issues from right wing perspective

also my first post on rwdt and I am a little tipsy, because - tradition

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:25 pm
by Purple Rats
Diopolis wrote:Ah, that new thread smell. Like a dumpster fire, or rotten meat.
Purple Rats wrote:
I did not say that TRAFFICKING would be decreased. My point was that it would be more safe for people who work in industry voluntarily (as sex workers). As there would be regulations. I do understand trafficking problems, that's why I said also that it's difficult topic, not that "we should all legalize it".

But I re-read by post, and yes, I understand where the misunderstanding came. My mistake, with phrasing, as I did not count trafficking from other countries first.

I mean, stripping is legal, and that seems to be a job with a fair amount of exposure to violence from customers.


Should we make separated thread about sex-work, as I don't really think it neither RW or LW topic. First definitely is against it, second probably disagrees with each other about it.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:25 pm
by Nap the Magnificent
Re drug trafficking its unacceptable unless you're William Jardine or James Matheson in which case it is based and taipanpilled

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:26 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
Purple Rats wrote:Ha-haa, Questarian New Yorkshire. :D

?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:26 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>tfw actually 23
Fucking kill me
it gets worse m8

actually 25 was my favourite age so far. 20 and 25. so you have a slight uptick before it get sshockingly terrible

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:27 pm
by Purple Rats
Italios wrote:okay, but the issue with that is that legalized sex work with "regulations" means presumably sex trafficking is still illegal. because sex trafficking is done explicitly without verbal or written consent, it can't even be "coerced consent" like "regular" sex work, which is why the division exists. thus when we partially legalize sex work, more people are trafficked, so there's less protection for those people. does this make sense?


yes it does.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:27 pm
by Hanafuridake
And you still insist you aren't Margherita Sarfatti.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:27 pm
by Fahran
LRON wrote:I do not understand the title. It quite clearly states it is the twentieth thread not the twenty second.

Yeah, I messed up the pun. Lemme fix it.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:27 pm
by Purple Rats
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
Purple Rats wrote:Ha-haa, Questarian New Yorkshire. :D

?


I just had a feeling, that you wanted to be first to respond to thread. Or maybe I misunderstood.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:28 pm
by Fahran
Hanafuridake wrote:And you still insist you aren't Margherita Sarfatti.

I'm not! I don't even like Mussolini. Sure, he's kinda cute with his bald head and his strongman persona... Wait, where was I going with this?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:28 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
Purple Rats wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:?


I just had a feeling, that you wanted to be first to respond to thread. Or maybe I misunderstood.
no its ok

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:28 pm
by LRON
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>tfw actually 23
Fucking kill me

Do not worry old boy! There is still plenty of time to travel! To enjoy fine wine, good food, and loose women. I suggest either northern-central Italy or southern France as you first destination!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:29 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
wasnt mussolini a dwarf?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:29 pm
by Italios
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>tfw actually 23
Fucking kill me
it gets worse m8

actually 25 was my favourite age so far. 20 and 25. so you have a slight uptick before it get sshockingly terrible

when :clap: prussia-steinbach :clap: wasn't :clap: there :clap: for :clap: us :clap: questers :clap: was

unrelated but it's unintentionally hilarious when people on this forum are like
cigarettes - no
white claw - no
vodka - no
personal hygiene - no
getting a job - no

grown adults trafficking children into sexual slavery - woke and progressive

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:29 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire
LRON wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>tfw actually 23
Fucking kill me

Do not worry old boy! There is still plenty of time to travel! To enjoy fine wine, good food, and loose women. I suggest either northern-central Italy or southern France as you first destination!
youre literally swiss tony fucking hell