RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Depends on the king. Charles I deserved his execution.

I disagree, Charles I did everything in service of his belief in Divine Right and responsibilities as King of England and Scotland. As disagreeable as that is to parliamentarians, and as flawed as some of his actions were, it's not something that can be considered treasonous by any stretch, or worthy of execution.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I think it's interesting that for most of the right-wing, regicide is almost always an awful and immoral act. I'm not particularly a monarchist (although I've been moving towards that direction), but even I find the murder of kings like Charles II, Louis XVI and Nicholas II (among others) a terrible thing. Do you feel similarly or not?

Depends on the king. Charles I deserved his execution.

I find execution by its very nature an immoral act. No state should have the ability or will to take anothers life, it's as simple as that.

[Fahran]

Depends on the king. Charles I deserved his execution.

I disagree, Charles I did everything in service of his belief in Divine Right and responsibilities as King of England and Scotland. As disagreeable as that is to parliamentarians, and as flawed as some of his actions were, it's not something that can be considered treasonous by any stretch, or worthy of execution.

Plus the trial was a complete disaster even being generous to the Parliamentarians.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I disagree, Charles I did everything in service of his belief in Divine Right and responsibilities as King of England and Scotland. As disagreeable as that is to parliamentarians, and as flawed as some of his actions were, it's not something that can be considered treasonous by any stretch, or worthy of execution.

Plus the trial was a complete disaster even being generous to the Parliamentarians.

Hot take:
Victors justice bad

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Plus the trial was a complete disaster even being generous to the Parliamentarians.

Yep, it was a farce. They had no legal authority or right to sentence the King to death and the way the proceedings were carried out made a mockery of law, many parliamentarians understood this.

[Fahran]

Plus the trial was a complete disaster even being generous to the Parliamentarians.

Yep, it was a farce. They had no legal authority or right to sentence the King to death and the way the proceedings were carried out made a mockery of law, many parliamentarians understood this.

I remember reading that the wife of one of the prominent Parliamentarians stood up and shouted that they had no right to put Charles I on trial.

Edit: It was Lady Fairfax.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

I remember reading that the wife of one of the prominent Parliamentarians stood up and shouted that they had no right to put Charles I on trial.

Edit: It was Lady Fairfax.

Lol, why am I not surprised. Sir Fairfax was against the whole debacle as well. He had a well-deserved happy ending by helping the restoration of King Charles II.

[Bear Stearns]

Trump's winning Minnesota this November. I'll throw out my Venmo and bet on it.

You are losing it. For one thing, Minnesota is a solidly blue state. For another thing, Trump's incompetence was a huge factor contributing to these riots in the first place.

Trump lost by Minnesota in 2016 by the amount of votes supreme cuck Evan McMullin got. This time there is no McMullin and the riots awakened a lot of people to Black Lives Matter.

[Bear Stearns]

I don't think we should disrespect people who are trying to have peaceful protests by legitimizing people who in many cases aren't even fighting for a message or the good of communities of color.

This. I've seen a lot of people start quoting the JFK bit about peaceful revolution in justifying the violence. I know being the bigger man suck's huge, but, the point of being the bigger man isn't about making life easier, it's about doing the right thing.

No one benefits from this

Agreed. Cromwell was based.

[Cekoviu]

You are losing it. For one thing, Minnesota is a solidly blue state. For another thing, Trump's incompetence was a huge factor contributing to these riots in the first place.

Trump lost by Minnesota in 2016 by the amount of votes supreme cuck Evan McMullin got. This time there is no McMullin and the riots awakened a lot of people to Black Lives Matter.

>using "cuck" unironically in current year
>not being a chad McMullwin supporter

[Northern Davincia]

Trump lost by Minnesota in 2016 by the amount of votes supreme cuck Evan McMullin got. This time there is no McMullin and the riots awakened a lot of people to Black Lives Matter.

>using "cuck" unironically in current year
>not being a chad McMullwin supporter

McMullin did nothing wrong.

[Bienenhalde]

You are losing it. For one thing, Minnesota is a solidly blue state. For another thing, Trump's incompetence was a huge factor contributing to these riots in the first place.

I think you're giving him way too much credit. Riots were going to happen regardless of what he did after Chauvin needlessly killed (I'd even say murdered) Floyd.

Yeah, but this could have been prevented in the first place if we had a president who was actually committed to reform and oversight of police departments across the nation.

[Bienenhalde]

What makes the current situation worse though, as I understand it, is social media. I don't think there was a mass public push to try and justify the violence during that time - certainly I am sure some people tried, but nothing strikes me off the top of my head. With social media though, you can go on facebook or twitter, or whatever, and find literally thousands of people cheering the mayhem on. These riots are a lot more personal in that way. I pesonally have seen a lot of old friends straight up say, " They don't care about the violence and looting ".

To be honest, I think what I find most disturbing about the rioting is not that rioting is taking place in the first place, but that so many people who ought to no better are defending the rioters on the internet. Why is it that so many young people I know who are well educated and seemed to have the opportunity of a bright future in respectable society defending this outrageous degeneracy?

[Senkaku]

What makes the current situation worse though, as I understand it, is social media. I don't think there was a mass public push to try and justify the violence during that time - certainly I am sure some people tried, but nothing strikes me off the top of my head. With social media though, you can go on facebook or twitter, or whatever, and find literally thousands of people cheering the mayhem on. These riots are a lot more personal in that way. I pesonally have seen a lot of old friends straight up say, " They don't care about the violence and looting ".

To be honest, I think what I find most disturbing about the rioting is not that rioting is taking place in the first place, but that so many people who ought to no better are defending the rioters on the internet. Why is it that so many young people I know who are well educated and seemed to have the opportunity of a bright future in respectable society defending this outrageous degeneracy?

I dunno maybe you should read their arguments or explanations more closely rather than simply assuming they’ve all mysteriously lost their minds at the same time tho

[Senkaku]

I think you're giving him way too much credit. Riots were going to happen regardless of what he did after Chauvin needlessly killed (I'd even say murdered) Floyd.

Yeah, but this could have been prevented in the first place if we had a president who was actually committed to reform and oversight of police departments across the nation.

you realize there is a desperate need for reform and oversight of police across the country but u rlly have no idea why so many educated young people are being radicalized...?

[The Marlborough]

America has had riots before.

Probably way worse ones during the Civil Rights era.

I could find a parallel in the King assassination riots, which the current race riots

These are not race riots. The protests have drawn people from every race together. This isn't white people beating up black people or vise versa because one group moved into the neighborhood.

[The Marlborough]

I don't think we should disrespect people who are trying to have peaceful protests by legitimizing people who in many cases aren't even fighting for a message or the good of communities of color.

This. I've seen a lot of people start quoting the JFK bit about peaceful revolution in justifying the violence. I know being the bigger man suck's huge, but, the point of being the bigger man isn't about making life easier, it's about doing the right thing.

No one benefits from this

It's not really justifying it more so pointing out that it is inevitable; they are right. Why so many of my fellow right-wingers seem to have lost this is pretty bewildering. America's elites abandoned America and America's policing institution is rotten and routinely tramples and abuses the citizenry and their rights. They, and a lot of America's elites, have been tearing away at the social fabric of society which is why things have now reached this point.

[Senkaku]

I could find a parallel in the King assassination riots, which the current race riots

These are not race riots. The protests have drawn people from every race together. This isn't white people beating up black people or vise versa because one group moved into the neighborhood.

It turns out most people don’t like their communities being overrun by armed psychopaths who have carte blanche to maim and kill in the name of “order”

[The Marlborough]

Literally, it's not even a strict black American issue, albeit they are disproportionately effected. Tons of white, Hispanic, Native, etc people are killed or abused by the police for no reason. Daniel Shaver, Ethan Saylor, Justine Damond and many more have also been needlessly killed. Almost all of us here could end up like them because a lot of police officers do not give two shits what your job is or where you are from or if you served in the military so on, so forth: it is pretty much Blue Uniform vs Everyone else in a lot of cops eyes.

[Senkaku]

Literally, it's not even a strict black American issue, albeit they are disproportionately effected. Tons of white, Hispanic, Native, etc people are killed or abused by the police for no reason. Daniel Shaver, Ethan Saylor, Justine Damond and many more have also been needlessly killed. Almost all of us here could end up like them because a lot of police officers literally do not give two shits what your job is or where you are from or if you served in the military so on, so forth: it is pretty much Blue Uniform vs Everyone else in a lot of cops eyes.

https://twitter.com/lextootall/status/1 ... 01410?s=21

[Camelone]

I think you're giving him way too much credit. Riots were going to happen regardless of what he did after Chauvin needlessly killed (I'd even say murdered) Floyd.

Yeah, but this could have been prevented in the first place if we had a president who was actually committed to reform and oversight of police departments across the nation.

What if I told you daddy Fed doesn't have to do everything. Examine local police departments, scrutinize their training procedures, find what the agreement is between police unions and municipalities, elect and hold to account local politicians, find ways to foster positive police-citizen relations, hash out ways to increase transparency, or just do something productive. Things on the local and state level can get done, there is no need to wait around for Washington to get moving and no one should wait for Washington to attempt a ham fisted way in fixing this.

Seriously all the posters online who virtue signal slogans and the like and do not get off their rear end to get something done in their local communities are insufferable. Watch once this fades out of the news cycle all those so called supporters and concerned citizens will disappear until the next tragedy occurs, rinse and repeat and rinse and repeat over and over again. It's how this always works and no amount of feel good platitudes or internet outrage will ever fix anything, especially with how fickle the modern, perhaps just human, attention span is.

Now a shift to the protesters, the actual ones not the rioters, someone needs to actually organize them and direct them towards some sort of concrete policy or goal, policy's need to be targeted for implementation or revocation. Right now it just seems many of the protests are directionless making all that energy go all over the place and in the grand scheme things useless. No unified voice in regards to a possible solution. It needs to actually be harnessed and directed in a productive manner. Picketing and standard protests can accomplish some things yes, such as pressuring the local government to fire and charge the officer finally, but without a structured, organized, disciplined, and principled form of protest that has a specific target you are for all intents and purposes screaming to the sky and the powers that be won't pay to much attention. Example a phalanx or a shield wall can not be broken by a mob rush, does not end well unless you have Soviet level human waves.

Not meaning to lash out at you, I've just been seeing this over and over again and just needed to get it out there.

[The Marlborough]

Police unions should be abolished and civilian review boards that have the power to order and conduct investigations into police abuse need to be established.

[Senkaku]

Yeah, but this could have been prevented in the first place if we had a president who was actually committed to reform and oversight of police departments across the nation.

What if I told you daddy Fed doesn't have to do everything. Examine local police departments, scrutinize their training procedures, find what the agreement is between police unions and municipalities, elect and hold to account local politicians, find ways to foster positive police-citizen relations, hash out ways to increase transparency, or just do something productive. Things on the local and state level can get done, there is no need to wait around for Washington to get moving and no one should wait for Washington to attempt a ham fisted way in fixing this.

It seems fairly clear that “just let local areas sort it out themselves” is not an approach that is working in pretty much any major city in the country

Seriously all the posters online who virtue signal slogans and the like and do not get off their rear end to get something done in their local communities are insufferable. Watch once this fades out of the news cycle all those so called supporters and concerned citizens will disappear until the next tragedy occurs, rinse and repeat and rinse and repeat over and over again. It's how this always works and no amount of feel good platitudes or internet outrage will ever fix anything, especially with how fickle the modern, perhaps just human, attention span is.

do u rlly still think this feels like just another media cycle that we’ll have forgotten abt it a few weeks loooool

Now a shift to the protesters, the actual ones not the rioters, someone needs to actually organize them and direct them towards some sort of concrete policy or goal, policy's need to be targeted for implementation or revocation. Right now it just seems many of the protests are directionless making all that energy go all over the place and in the grand scheme things useless. No unified voice in regards to a possible solution. It needs to actually be harnessed and directed in a productive manner.

This is smthn reactionaries say abt literally every movement lol it’s so ridiculous

Yes, the set of ppl who don’t want cops to be able to murder with impunity is large enough it contains many political varieties— that does not delegitimize it

Picketing and standard protests can accomplish some things yes, such as pressuring the local government to fire and charge the officer finally, but without a structured, organized, disciplined, and principled form of protest that has a specific target you are for all intents and purposes screaming to the sky and the powers that be won't pay to much attention. Example a phalanx or a shield wall can not be broken by a mob rush, does not end well unless you have Soviet level human waves.

so what are ur recommendations then for a “structured, organized, disciplined, and principled form of protest that has a specific target” then, clearly we’re talking with an experienced organizer lol

or are you just spouting buzzwords and platitudes in an effort to imply that these protests are neither structured nor organized, disciplined, principled, or targeted

[Taihei Tengoku]

The riots are structured and they are organized, the prog mandarin caste deploys riots to enforce prog law against the existing law. They got close but were defeated last night.

[Nakena]

What if I told you daddy Fed doesn't have to do everything. Examine local police departments, scrutinize their training procedures, find what the agreement is between police unions and municipalities, elect and hold to account local politicians, find ways to foster positive police-citizen relations, hash out ways to increase transparency, or just do something productive. Things on the local and state level can get done, there is no need to wait around for Washington to get moving and no one should wait for Washington to attempt a ham fisted way in fixing this.

It seems fairly clear that “just let local areas sort it out themselves” is not an approach that is working in pretty much any major city in the country

Seriously all the posters online who virtue signal slogans and the like and do not get off their rear end to get something done in their local communities are insufferable. Watch once this fades out of the news cycle all those so called supporters and concerned citizens will disappear until the next tragedy occurs, rinse and repeat and rinse and repeat over and over again. It's how this always works and no amount of feel good platitudes or internet outrage will ever fix anything, especially with how fickle the modern, perhaps just human, attention span is.

do u rlly still think this feels like just another media cycle that we’ll have forgotten abt it a few weeks loooool

Now a shift to the protesters, the actual ones not the rioters, someone needs to actually organize them and direct them towards some sort of concrete policy or goal, policy's need to be targeted for implementation or revocation. Right now it just seems many of the protests are directionless making all that energy go all over the place and in the grand scheme things useless. No unified voice in regards to a possible solution. It needs to actually be harnessed and directed in a productive manner.

This is smthn reactionaries say abt literally every movement lol it’s so ridiculous

Yes, the set of ppl who don’t want cops to be able to murder with impunity is large enough it contains many political varieties— that does not delegitimize it

Picketing and standard protests can accomplish some things yes, such as pressuring the local government to fire and charge the officer finally, but without a structured, organized, disciplined, and principled form of protest that has a specific target you are for all intents and purposes screaming to the sky and the powers that be won't pay to much attention. Example a phalanx or a shield wall can not be broken by a mob rush, does not end well unless you have Soviet level human waves.

so what are ur recommendations then for a “structured, organized, disciplined, and principled form of protest that has a specific target” then, clearly we’re talking with an experienced organizer lol

or are you just spouting buzzwords and platitudes in an effort to imply that these protests are neither structured nor organized, disciplined, principled, or targeted

He's right tho.

Top down police reform is extremly difficult due to the extremly dectralized policing systme in the US. And even if that were, the problem of toxic culture still remains. Intrinsic corporate cultures are very hard to change once they have taken roots.

these protests are neither structured nor organized, disciplined, principled, or targeted

Many of them aren't.