RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[Salus Maior]

Not everything is sexual, Cekoviu.

it's a joke my man

It's in poor taste.

[Cisairse]

I don't know much about him, but the clips I've seen of his show are interesting. Can't say I agree with all of it, especially the attempts to paint republicans in a good light. I like him better when he savages both parties.

He's essentially a commentator who follows the money trail. He started out as your standard milquetoast liberal before his show got canned and he was moved to another network, then suddenly he was this antiwoke liberal-hating fellow and shifted more and more right as it became financially convenient to do so. His writers, I'm sure, come up with his takes for him.

He's a millionaire who talks about how millionaires and "the elite" suck while also being bankrolled by billionaires.

He also lost a debate against Jon Stewart while Stewart wasn't even trying to debate him, which delegated Tucker permanently into the clown car

[Northern Davincia]

Thoughts on Tucker Carlson?

warm and bad

Warm? What does that mean?

[Washington Resistance Army]

what i'm hearing is that if i start worshiping mary, i'll turn into a panlesbian
right?

You would be mistaken to worship Mary, we are to worship God.

However, there's no better way to get to Christ than through his mother. Ask her to pray for you, compliment her, give her your time. She needs our attention, especially because she experienced such great sorrow in her life. After all, she saw her only son tortured to death for all of our sake. Love her dearly, and in turn love all women the same.

The political implications of Marian devotion are programs like paid-maternity leave, child tax-credits, etc.

tbh that sounds pretty much like worship with a different name

[New haven america]

He's essentially a commentator who follows the money trail. He started out as your standard milquetoast liberal before his show got canned and he was moved to another network, then suddenly he was this antiwoke liberal-hating fellow and shifted more and more right as it became financially convenient to do so. His writers, I'm sure, come up with his takes for him.

He's a millionaire who talks about how millionaires and "the elite" suck while also being bankrolled by billionaires.

He also lost a debate against Jon Stewart while Stewart wasn't even trying to debate him, which delegated Tucker permanently into the clown car

Jon got his entire show canceled.

[Valrifell]

The Conservative Party is the party that has consistently supported the Monarchy, the House of Lords, and the Church of England. I don't see why you think imperialism was so great. I mean, maybe the British Empire wasn't as bad as modern Leftists say it was, but I still think that replacing it with the Commonwealth was a step in the right direction. And even assuming that leaving the EU will have a positive effect on Britain's internal politics, it doesn't exactly seem to be strengthening their position on the world stage.

Decolonization was done too quickly, giving way to dictators and insanely corrupt politicians.

To the contrary, dictatorial regimes were supported as fleeting empires could get at least some return on investment after they nominally left the nation, armed countermeasures to independence movements further made strongmen and dictators the more powerful and popular.

Coups funded by former colonizers were a way for them to grasp at the last straws of Empire. The Soviet Union and the United States then looked at all of this free real estate and decided it would be cool to have an ideological proxy war all over the goddamn place. Though if it weren't them, it probably would've been the French and British again.

[New haven america]

what i'm hearing is that if i start worshiping mary, i'll turn into a panlesbian
right?

You would be mistaken to worship Mary, we are to worship God.

However, there's no better way to get to Christ than through his mother. Ask her to pray for you, compliment her, give her your time. She needs our attention, especially because she experienced such great sorrow in her life. After all, she saw her only son tortured to death for all of our sake. Love her dearly, and in turn love all women the same.

The political implications of Marian devotion are programs like paid-maternity leave, child tax-credits, etc.

So where supposed to support Mary by worshiping her?

Even though we shouldn't worship her?

[Cekoviu]

it's a joke my man

It's in poor taste.

k

warm and bad

Warm? What does that mean?

opposite of cool and good

[Sundiata]

You would be mistaken to worship Mary, we are to worship God.

However, there's no better way to get to Christ than through his mother. Ask her to pray for you, compliment her, give her your time. She needs our attention, especially because she experienced such great sorrow in her life. After all, she saw her only son tortured to death for all of our sake. Love her dearly, and in turn love all women the same.

The political implications of Marian devotion are programs like paid-maternity leave, child tax-credits, etc.

tbh that sounds pretty much like worship with a different name

Catholics don't pray to Mary, we ask her to pray to God for us or intercede in our prayers. We worship God (Jesus Christ).

[Sundiata]

You would be mistaken to worship Mary, we are to worship God.

However, there's no better way to get to Christ than through his mother. Ask her to pray for you, compliment her, give her your time. She needs our attention, especially because she experienced such great sorrow in her life. After all, she saw her only son tortured to death for all of our sake. Love her dearly, and in turn love all women the same.

The political implications of Marian devotion are programs like paid-maternity leave, child tax-credits, etc.

So where supposed to support Mary by worshiping her?

Even though we shouldn't worship her?

No, we're just asking for her help by asking her to pray for us and treating her well.

[New haven america]

The Conservative Party is the party that has consistently supported the Monarchy, the House of Lords, and the Church of England. I don't see why you think imperialism was so great. I mean, maybe the British Empire wasn't as bad as modern Leftists say it was, but I still think that replacing it with the Commonwealth was a step in the right direction. And even assuming that leaving the EU will have a positive effect on Britain's internal politics, it doesn't exactly seem to be strengthening their position on the world stage.

Decolonization was done too quickly, giving way to dictators and insanely corrupt politicians.

No, actually, those dictators tended to rise up when colonial powers were influencing former colonies.

Like Congo when the US deposed their left-wing democratically elected president who graduated from Harvard and traveled the world in order to prop up the hardcore right-wing/militaristic dictator Mubutu simply because he was left wing.

[Washington Resistance Army]

tbh that sounds pretty much like worship with a different name

Catholics don't pray to Mary, we ask her to pray to God for us or intercede in our prayers. We worship God (Jesus Christ).

Oh I'm aware, I'm just saying that on the surface it really isn't too dissimilar from regular polytheistic practice.

[New haven america]

So where supposed to support Mary by worshiping her?

Even though we shouldn't worship her?

No, we're just asking for her help and treating her well.

By worshiping her?

[Nakena]

Like Congo when the US deposed their left-wing democratically elected president who graduated from Harvard and traveled the world in order to prop up a hardcore right-wing/militaristic dictator.

Wat.

[Cekoviu]

tbh that sounds pretty much like worship with a different name

Catholics don't pray to Mary, we ask her to pray to God for us or intercede in our prayers. We worship God (Jesus Christ).

yeah afaik this is a pretty standard thing to do with saints in general, mary's not really an outlier there

[Sundiata]

No, we're just asking for her help and treating her well.

By worshiping her?

We're not worshipping her, we're asking her to pray for us.

[Northern Davincia]

You would be mistaken to worship Mary, we are to worship God.

However, there's no better way to get to Christ than through his mother. Ask her to pray for you, compliment her, give her your time. She needs our attention, especially because she experienced such great sorrow in her life. After all, she saw her only son tortured to death for all of our sake. Love her dearly, and in turn love all women the same.

The political implications of Marian devotion are programs like paid-maternity leave, child tax-credits, etc.

So where supposed to support Mary by worshiping her?

Even though we shouldn't worship her?

That's not how worship works, per se.

Decolonization was done too quickly, giving way to dictators and insanely corrupt politicians.

To the contrary, dictatorial regimes were supported as fleeting empires could get at least some return on investment after they nominally left the nation, armed countermeasures to independence movements further made strongmen and dictators the more powerful and popular.

Coups funded by former colonizers were a way for them to grasp at the last straws of Empire. The Soviet Union and the United States then looked at all of this free real estate and decided it would be cool to have an ideological proxy war all over the goddamn place. Though if it weren't them, it probably would've been the French and British again.

Neither the French nor British, needless to say, left behind a workable democratic model or a population with the infrastructure to make one.
Pulling out suddenly didn't help. It's a terrible case of abandonment after robbing someone blind.

[Cisairse]

He also lost a debate against Jon Stewart while Stewart wasn't even trying to debate him, which delegated Tucker permanently into the clown car

Jon got his entire show canceled.

(hint: FOX is the clown car)

[Sundiata]

Catholics don't pray to Mary, we ask her to pray to God for us or intercede in our prayers. We worship God (Jesus Christ).

yeah afaik this is a pretty standard thing to do with saints in general, mary's not really an outlier there

Absolutely, but the difference between her and other saints is her perfect humanity. She was born without original sin, did not sin in her lifetime, and gave birth immaculately. She's beautiful.

A perfect vessel for a perfect God.

[Valrifell]

To the contrary, dictatorial regimes were supported as fleeting empires could get at least some return on investment after they nominally left the nation, armed countermeasures to independence movements further made strongmen and dictators the more powerful and popular.

Coups funded by former colonizers were a way for them to grasp at the last straws of Empire. The Soviet Union and the United States then looked at all of this free real estate and decided it would be cool to have an ideological proxy war all over the goddamn place. Though if it weren't them, it probably would've been the French and British again.

Neither the French nor British, needless to say, left behind a workable democratic model or a population with the infrastructure to make one.
Pulling out suddenly didn't help. It's a terrible case of abandonment after robbing someone blind.

The ideal solution would have been a peaceful road to democracy for those newly minted nations, you're right. That wasn't realistic for the politics of the time, though, and instead of doing that the Imperialists in government instead opted to violently resist such movements. These violent suppressions left these states in a position where a clean and rapid pullout would've been better than what they actually did.

[New haven america]

Like Congo when the US deposed their left-wing democratically elected president who graduated from Harvard and traveled the world in order to prop up a hardcore right-wing/militaristic dictator.

Wat.

The DRC when it gained independence originally looked like it was on its way to becoming a superpower of Africa, but that changed when its left-wing social democrat/nationalist government may or may not have decided to lean more neutral in the Cold War but more in favor of Russia due to their past negative experiences with colonial nations like Belgium. This pissed off the US who in turn caused a minor civil squabble between the government and hard right-wing insurgents in the country to turn into a full blown civil war that ended with the hard right militants ousting the government and installing Motubu Sese Seko as the dictator of the newly renamed Republic of Zaire.

It's generally agreed upon that if the US left the DRC alone and didn't back hard right militants then Congo might be one of the most powerful countries in all of Africa.

[Nakena]

The DRC when it gained independence originally looked like it was on its way to becoming a superpower of Africa, but that changed when it's left-wing social democrat/nationalist government may or may not have decided to lean more neutral in the Cold War but more in favor of Russia. This pissed off the US who in turn caused a minor civil squabble between the government and hard right-wing insurgents in the country to become a full blown civil war that ended with the hard right militants ousting the government and installing Motubu Sese Seko as the dictator of the newly renamed Republic of Zaire.

It's generally agreed upon that if the US left the DRC alone and didn't back hard right militants then Congo might be one of the most powerful countries in all of Africa.

That is utter nonsense.

The superpower thing is especially absolute nonsense.

In 1960 the Congo had maybe a two hundred people ("Immatricules") with something like university degree with vasts amount of illiteracy and no real infrastructure outside of Leopoldville. The belgians had kept the congoleses on a very low level. Only the jesuits and a few church schools did anything to educate them. Basically wide parts of the DR Congo were back then in the literal stone age. With tribes armed with spears and stuff.

And Lumumba was never in Harvard.

He worked in the belgium postal service and later as writer in a small newspaper. That already, made him, sort of a member of the Congo's intellectual elite. He tried to play off the US against the USSR which in the end horribly backfired. He had no regular army and was mostly protected by morrocan and then later ghanan and guinean soldiers from the UN. Who protected his very life sometimes. (Sekou Toure had to write him literal instruction messages etc.)

Also hard right militants. lol.

I have a few books here on the matter. First hand accounts.

I dont know where you got this bullshit info/narrative from however.

Because its not just wrong and false, its out right fantastic. Like we talking about different countries here in alternate timelines.

[New haven america]

The DRC when it gained independence originally looked like it was on its way to becoming a superpower of Africa, but that changed when it's left-wing social democrat/nationalist government may or may not have decided to lean more neutral in the Cold War but more in favor of Russia. This pissed off the US who in turn caused a minor civil squabble between the government and hard right-wing insurgents in the country to become a full blown civil war that ended with the hard right militants ousting the government and installing Motubu Sese Seko as the dictator of the newly renamed Republic of Zaire.

It's generally agreed upon that if the US left the DRC alone and didn't back hard right militants then Congo might be one of the most powerful countries in all of Africa.

You have no idea about the Congo or the Congo Crisis.

1. The superpower thing is especially absolute nonsense.

2. In 1960 the Congo had maybe a two hundred people ("Immatricules") with something like university degree with vasts amount of illiteracy and no real infrastructure outside of Leopoldville. The belgians had kept the congoleses on a very low level. Only the jesuits and a few church schools did anything to educate them.

3. And Lumumba was never in Harvard.

He worked in the belgium postal service and later as writer in a small newspaper. That already, made him, sort of a member of the Congo's intellectual elite. He tried to play off the US against the USSR which in the end horribly backfired. He had no regular army and was mostly protected by Morrocan and then later Ghanan and Guinean soldiers from the UN. (Sekou Toure had to write him literal instruction messages etc.)

Also hard right militants.

Because its not just wrong and false, its out right fantastic. Like we talking about different countries here in alternate timelines.

4. I have a few books here on the matter. I dont know where you got this bullshit info/narrative from however.

1. Yes, because the largest country in Africa who's basically sitting on a resource gold mine couldn't rise up to being a major economic power on the continent.
2. And Congo's government at the time was focusing mainly on education and economic growth.
3. Well then it's a good thing I wasn't talking about Lumumba.
4. I could ask you the same thing with the amount of assumptions you've made~

[Italios]

Thoughts on Tucker Carlson?

Dear God, i can't even begin to describe my distaste for the all the cool contrarian political dissenters who think he's their ally or someone who speaks for them - left or right.

tucker likes to stir shit and then when the shit actually hits the fan, he reverts back to status quo-enforced racial boomer politics because he's also a multimillionaire and at the end of the day, if we actually thought about class, his head would end up on a pike.

edit: i see i was late to convo and most people see through the fake woke facade, which is a warm surprise

[Nakena]

1. Yes, because the largest country in Africa who's basically sitting on a resource gold mine couldn't rise up to being a major economic power on the continent.

Which does means nothing if 90% of their population lives on a level literally close to the stone age or barely above it. Illiterate. With really a few people left. Also most Copper mines were in Katanga run by belgian experts and companies. Which were outside of the reach of Lumumba who was residing in Leopoldville where the population was partially hostile to him.

2. And Congo's government at the time was focusing mainly on education and economic growth.

Congo had no government back then. It had Lumumba trying to save his ass and get his gig running with increasingly risky and borderline insane political tricks. Most members of the parliament were tribal chiefs who couldn even read and write and didn understood much of modern politics nor what they were even doing there.

3. Well then it's a good thing I wasn't talking about Lumumba.

Kay

4. I could ask you the same thing with the amount of assumptions you've made~

I am on 100% secure terrain here.

I have the books right here and countless internet articles, essays and what not all will support what I wrote. I dont even need to look them up.

We're done here.