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Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:29 am**

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:By the way virtually all "pilled" people, irrespective of what type of pill they take, express awareness of the Universal Moral Authority. Even the low IQ incels.

What do you mean by universal moral authority? That there is objective morality that applies to everyone, everywhere?

I think he means more that there is a sort of entity which defines what morality is for society in-general.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:36 am**

No, I made it a proper noun and gave it a definite article for a reason - so to distinguish it from moral absolutism, which im not talking about

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:40 am**

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:No, I made it a proper noun and gave it a definite article for a reason - so to distinguish it from moral absolutism, which im not talking about

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think he means more that there is a sort of entity which defines what morality is for society in-general.

Is this then an accurate description of your "Universal Moral Authority"?

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:54 am**

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Oh it's certainly possible for sure, I just personally see the usual "convert or die" message being more likely.

At least more and more people are coming into polytheism again, it's a cool time.

I don't understand it tbh, beyond the comprehensible reasons of LARP and nationalism. Christianity at least tries to be a global religion with an all-powerful God that could have made the universe. Perun, not so much.

I mean, are they flowing into larper paganism or stoner paganism? This seems like a major confound.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:53 am**

Kowani wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:On the other hand, removing the marinara sauce from pizza to make a margherita pizza makes it much better -- one could argue that Catholicism is the tomato sauce of Poland rather than the cheese.

The fuck is wrong with your taste buds lmao

You can say rape is okay. You can defend nihilism. But inshallah, I will NOT allow you to defile the name of Saint Margherita (PBUH).

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:54 am**

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:By the way virtually all "pilled" people, irrespective of what type of pill they take, express awareness of the Universal Moral Authority. Even the low IQ incels.

I know what American Leftism is and what they believe. I still don't understand why you choose to refer to it as the "Universal Moral Authority", as though other ideologies didn't claim the same sort of authority.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:55 am**

Bienenhalde wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:By the way virtually all "pilled" people, irrespective of what type of pill they take, express awareness of the Universal Moral Authority. Even the low IQ incels.

I know what American Leftism is and what they believe. I still don't understand why you choose to refer to it as the "Universal Moral Authority", as though other ideologies didn't claim the same sort of authority.

It's not an American Left thing. The Bushes were notable pawns of the NWO, and they're hardly leftist.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:56 am**

Cekoviu wrote:
Kowani wrote:The fuck is wrong with your taste buds lmao

You can say rape is okay. You can defend nihilism. But inshallah, I will NOT allow you to defile the name of Saint Margherita (PBUH).

Shrug. Everyone’s allowed to be wrong on some things.

Bienenhalde wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:By the way virtually all "pilled" people, irrespective of what type of pill they take, express awareness of the Universal Moral Authority. Even the low IQ incels.

I know what American Leftism is and what they believe. I still don't understand why you choose to refer to it as the "Universal Moral Authority", as though other ideologies didn't claim the same sort of authority.

“Leftism”

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:05 am**

The American Left is a Social Liberal Democratic movement that sprung up because the entrenched Elite can be arsed to give .5 of their profits to give their workers living wages.

Their only left because they have no other choice but to be left.

In comparison to me who was an ardent Marxiat Leninist and now is a Self Proclaimed Left Wing Statist I view the movement in the same view the Chinese CCP does. Absolute disdain and abhorrence.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:06 am**

Cekoviu wrote:On the other hand, removing the marinara sauce from pizza to make a margherita pizza makes it much better -- one could argue that Catholicism is the tomato sauce of Poland rather than the cheese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8BfB0QEUMg

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:32 am**

Senkaku wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
They nearly toppled the policing structures of the US and just had an internal takeover the NYT. My boy, that is power.

the opinions editor resigned after a truly colossal fuckup lol simmer down

as for "toppling the policing structures," they managed to get Minneapolis to consider some in-depth reforms or reconstitution of their public safety force; most police departments seem to be doing just fine tho (here's looking at you, NYPD)

it's a very different power from the sinister cabal Questers seems to think is launching an Illuminati-level takeover of the entire Western world

They literally removed the top of their editorial board encouraged a police culture. This wasn't in response to the Pedo Op-Ed or the Haqqani Network or the ISIS general they allowed on their pages but a US senator calling for the restoration of order. They just made sure that would never happened again. You can pretend that you are the underdog but your sort has absolute cultural power. In no world could the right demand resignations or start offering to inform on one another if given that sort of power. You better believe too that their writers would be demanding the Army on the streets if the FBI or Cops were kneeling with the proud boys. The new game of power is apparently never to accept responsibility or that it even exists.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:52 am**

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Btw Fahran, quit stealing poll ideas from Classical Studies Memes for Hellenistic Teens, tyvm.

Is that a thing?

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:11 am**

Diopolis wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
I know what American Leftism is and what they believe. I still don't understand why you choose to refer to it as the "Universal Moral Authority", as though other ideologies didn't claim the same sort of authority.

It's not an American Left thing. The Bushes were notable pawns of the NWO, and they're hardly leftist.

I don't think the Bushes fit the ideological description that Questers gave.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:13 am**

Bienenhalde wrote:I don't think the Bushes fit the ideological description that Questers gave.

Questers didn't give an ideological description. He gave one rooted in form and function. I think if we contemplate the direction of American interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan and attempts to impose a particular sort of moral code on the populations inhabitting those countries we'll have a pretty clear answer on the association of the Bushes with the so-called Universal Moral Authority. I still hate the name because it's cringe but I think I get the underlying point.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:14 am**

Just dropping in to say 'Universal Moral Authority' is a stupid name, sorry :/

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:18 am**

Fahran wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:I don't think the Bushes fit the ideological description that Questers gave.

Questers didn't give an ideological description. He gave one rooted in form and function. I think if we contemplate the direction of American interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan and attempts to impose a particular sort of moral code on the populations inhabitting those countries we'll have a pretty clear answer on the association of the Bushes with the so-called Universal Moral Authority. I still hate the name because it's cringe but I think I get the underlying point.

Even in terms of function, I think it is pretty clear that neo-cons like Bush had different methods or immediate goals from the progressive left.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:30 am**

Thanatttynia wrote:Just dropping in to say 'Universal Moral Authority' is a stupid name, sorry :/

See? I'm not the only one who thinks it's super cringe.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:32 am**

Thanatttynia wrote:Just dropping in to say 'Universal Moral Authority' is a stupid name, sorry :/

Sounds like an idea from an early draft of 1984 that didn’t make the final cut.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:34 am**

Fahran wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:Just dropping in to say 'Universal Moral Authority' is a stupid name, sorry :/

See? I'm not the only one who thinks it's super cringe.

We should workshop it.

The Illuminati is a classic and you can't really go wrong with it, though I feel like this should have it's own flavor, you know? Can't be too derivative.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:36 am**

Bienenhalde wrote:
Fahran wrote:Questers didn't give an ideological description. He gave one rooted in form and function. I think if we contemplate the direction of American interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan and attempts to impose a particular sort of moral code on the populations inhabitting those countries we'll have a pretty clear answer on the association of the Bushes with the so-called Universal Moral Authority. I still hate the name because it's cringe but I think I get the underlying point.

Even in terms of function, I think it is pretty clear that neo-cons like Bush had different methods or immediate goals from the progressive left.

Does it really matter?

At the end of the day, the result of that kind of foreign policy is usually the same:
-Some weak, diplomatically isolated country gets its government overthrown
-Foreign multinationals swoop in and pillage the local economy
-Ten years later, a massive civil war breaks out in the aforementioned country and the warhawks in Congress start blaming each other for the mess on partisan lines

The intentions and sentiments of neo-cons and neo-libs are utterly irrelevant. They're both rabid idealists who are incapable of looking at the world through a pragmatic lense, and this inevitably means that they produce massive fuck-ups every time they manage to worm their way into the White House.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:48 am**

Bienenhalde wrote:
Diopolis wrote:It's not an American Left thing. The Bushes were notable pawns of the NWO, and they're hardly leftist.

I don't think the Bushes fit the ideological description that Questers gave.

Questers didn't give an ideological description. He gave a pattern of behavior and a name that is, to be blunt, kind of dumb.
And the Bushes definitely fit that pattern of behavior. From trying to kill Reagan to invading Iraq because ???(well we know perfectly well why, but it's not what he said).

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:58 am**

Diopolis wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
I don't think the Bushes fit the ideological description that Questers gave.

Questers didn't give an ideological description. He gave a pattern of behavior and a name that is, to be blunt, kind of dumb.
And the Bushes definitely fit that pattern of behavior. From trying to kill Reagan to invading Iraq because ???(well we know perfectly well why, but it's not what he said).

…Trying to kill Reagan?

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:01 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Questers didn't give an ideological description. He gave a pattern of behavior and a name that is, to be blunt, kind of dumb.
And the Bushes definitely fit that pattern of behavior. From trying to kill Reagan to invading Iraq because ???(well we know perfectly well why, but it's not what he said).

…Trying to kill Reagan?

John Hinkley jr. was tied to the Bush family and most likely acting on behalf of HW.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:03 pm**

Diopolis wrote:John Hinkley jr. was tied to the Bush family and most likely acting on behalf of HW.

This reminds me of the conspiracy theory that Texas Democrats conspired to have JFK assassinated.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:05 pm**

Fahran wrote:
Diopolis wrote:John Hinkley jr. was tied to the Bush family and most likely acting on behalf of HW.

This reminds me of the conspiracy theory that Texas Democrats conspired to have JFK assassinated.

I mean, LBJ was a Texas democrat.

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