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Which alcoholic beverage is the most right-wing?

Wine (Blood and Body?)
23
21%
Beer
22
21%
Vodka
6
6%
Mead
12
11%
Whiskey/Whisky
18
17%
Scotch (option included for Questers and old people)
9
8%
Rakı (option included specifically for Marches)
4
4%
Seltzers/Hard Ciders (because the Claw is the LAW)
5
5%
Gin
4
4%
Other (Rum/Brandy/Cognac/Tequila)
4
4%
 
Total votes : 107

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Postby Cisairse » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:16 pm

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What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open their skulls and ate up their brains and imagination?

Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Children screaming under the stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men weeping in the parks!

Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy judger of men!

Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judgment! Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned governments!

Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!

Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long streets like endless Jehovahs! Moloch whose factories dream and croak in the fog! Moloch whose smoke-stacks and antennae crown the cities!

Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen! Moloch whose name is the Mind!

Moloch in whom I sit lonely! Moloch in whom I dream Angels! Crazy in Moloch! Cocksucker in Moloch! Lacklove and manless in Moloch!

Moloch who entered my soul early! Moloch in whom I am a consciousness without a body! Moloch who frightened me out of my natural ecstasy! Moloch whom I abandon! Wake up in Moloch! Light streaming out of the sky!

Moloch! Moloch! Robot apartments! invisible suburbs! skeleton treasuries! blind capitals! demonic industries! spectral nations! invincible madhouses! granite cocks! monstrous bombs!

They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven! Pavements, trees, radios, tons! lifting the city to Heaven which exists and is everywhere about us!

Visions! omens! hallucinations! miracles! ecstasies! gone down the American river!

Dreams! adorations! illuminations! religions! the whole boatload of sensitive bullshit!

Breakthroughs! over the river! flips and crucifixions! gone down the flood! Highs! Epiphanies! Despairs! Ten years’ animal screams and suicides! Minds! New loves! Mad generation! down on the rocks of Time!

Real holy laughter in the river! They saw it all! the wild eyes! the holy yells! They bade farewell! They jumped off the roof! to solitude! waving! carrying flowers! Down to the river! into the street!


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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:17 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:RWDT essay challenge.

Show that rap is right wing. 500-1000 words maximum.

Winner of the essay: They can choose which charity I will donate $5 to.


Rap is tribal and nationalist, not right-wing, though tribalism and nationalism are often associated with the right-wing.
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:18 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:RWDT essay challenge.

Show that rap is right wing. 500-1000 words maximum.

Winner of the essay: They can choose which charity I will donate $5 to.


Rap is tribal and nationalist, not right-wing, though tribalism and nationalism are often associated with the right-wing.
The point was to prove that it is right wing because it's novel and difficult
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:18 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:RWDT essay challenge.

Show that rap is right wing. 500-1000 words maximum.

Winner of the essay: They can choose which charity I will donate $5 to.

No need.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:22 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Rap is tribal and nationalist, not right-wing, though tribalism and nationalism are often associated with the right-wing.
The point was to prove that it is right wing because it's novel and difficult


If I define "right-wing" as ancapistan, then it's probably feasible.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:22 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:RWDT essay challenge.

Show that rap is right wing. 500-1000 words maximum.

Winner of the essay: They can choose which charity I will donate $5 to.


Rap music is a genre of music, this is tautological but important. It's a medium, posing the question if it's right or left wing is like asking if painting is left or right wing or if broadcast television is right or left wing.

It doesn't make sense.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:34 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:RWDT essay challenge.

Show that rap is right wing. 500-1000 words maximum.

Winner of the essay: They can choose which charity I will donate $5 to.

working on an actual essay about this give me a bit
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:39 pm

Dalai Lamas vs Tsars which had the better aesthetic?
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:46 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Dalai Lamas vs Tsars which had the better aesthetic?

The Mandarin from Iron Man comics
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:07 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote: The point was to prove that it is right wing because it's novel and difficult


If I define "right-wing" as ancapistan, then it's probably feasible.


Yes it depends on what we ascribe right wing and what era and genre of rap we use. The “check “check out my bling and bitches” stuff should appeal to many ancap types.

The earlier hard stuff was often violently homophobic and misogynistic and also accelerationist and this should appeal to certain alt right currents.

Finally Will Smith soft cheese could appeal to more center right conservative types, the Fresh Prince show actually had some messages that should appeal to the center right, such as the importance of family, ability to rise up and be accepted into society by hard work even as a minority and what not. It is basically American dream propaganda.

In fact an emphasis on needing to “hustle” in order to make it could be said to be a emphasis on the value of hard work.

So there. I could do it, except I am too damn lazy to make it look like a proper essay.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:31 pm

The Politics of Rap and their Implications
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The primary obstacles to the demonstration of whether rap is left- or right-wing are defining rap itself and defining left- and right-wing. So as to not expend much time on this relatively trivial issue, allow me the privilege of using Merriam-Webster’s definition for rap music: “a type of music of African American origin in which rhythmic and usually rhyming speech is chanted to a musical accompaniment,” with well-known representatives of this genre including Kendrick Lamar, Eminem, Drake, Kanye West, and Snoop Dogg.

The definitions of left- and right-wing are harder to settle upon. They originally meant the location in which members of the French National Assembly would sit during the French Revolution, but seeing as relatively few rappers were members of the French National Assembly in the late 18th century, we can’t really use that definition. Instead, I will use a modern definition: we will consider left-wing to mean “broadly opposed to hierarchy” and right-wing to mean “broadly in favor of hierarchy.”

One immediate issue in trying to identify rap as right-wing that a sharp reader might notice is that rap frequently opposes governments, particularly police (“Fuck tha Police,” “How to Kill a Cop,” “Coffee, Donuts, & Death,” etc.). It is important to remember that hierarchy need not be legal in origin, lest anarcho-capitalists be suddenly redefined as left-wing.

Let us then turn our attention to social hierarchy, which is prevalent in parts in rap music. In particular, rap is well known for its extreme widespread sexism. Late 20th century gangsta rap is rife with descriptions of physical and sexual assault against women portrayed positively. A variety of later studies have exposed systemic misogyny in rap music, to the point that much rap can be clearly read as an endorsement of patriarchy, that is, male supremacy towards women. Rap was and to a lesser extent is frequently homophobic, decrying homosexuals and implying that heterosexuals are superior. Yet simultaneously — see the study linked previously — rap often endorses racial equality (some scholars argue that it promotes racist stereotypes of black people, but this is not the internal intention, so I will not consider this here). Clearly it’s not blanketly pro-social hierarchy if it generally supports racial and ethnic equality, so it isn’t hard-right, per se.

So what’s special about gender and sex? Why are these the issues where seemingly leftlibby rappers turn to hierarchy? I would argue that rap is merely a reflection of the culture of the lower classes in American inner cities; the sexism in rap is not something about rap, but betrays our patriarchal and heteronormative culture. Rap isn’t right- or left-wing, per se, because it is a merely a product of the culture in which it is created, a culture which is fundamentally syncretic, containing right-wing and left-wing influences — the sexism in rap is simply reflecting cultural vestiges of patriarchy, the support for racial and economic equality is a reaction to the socioeconomic oppression that has created such a distinct inner-city culture. The question we should be asking of rap is not whether it is right-wing, but how and why it is.

What is the solution to the right-wing ideals of rap? Since it is merely a reflection of culture, we need to change the surrounding culture. The misogynistic underpinnings of so much rap are a result of the pervasive American rape culture, so we must erase this. Sexual assault and rape can be reduced by the following:
  • Ban alcohol and continue to keep recreational drugs illegal.
  • Comprehensive sex education including robust discussions of consent.
  • Crack down on the solicitation of prostitution in these heavily affected areas.
Further solutions for issues either unintentionally betrayed by or intentionally called out by rap:
  • Reduce socioeconomic inequality by implementing socialism, universal basic income, universal healthcare, and/or higher taxes on the wealthy.
  • Improve education in poor areas through resource reallocation and/or increased taxes to better fund schools.
  • Increase barriers to acquisition of deadly weapons such as guns.
  • Disband and reform the police and increase police force size to improve community relations, stop racial profiling, and better enforce laws.

In summary, rap is not entirely right-wing, but a deeper analysis of the politics of the genre reveal important and perhaps uncomfortable facts about our culture.

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:33 pm

I'm working on an entry.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:34 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:I'm working on an entry.

shit, i thought i was going to be the only one who actually did it and my charity would automatically win :(
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:37 pm

Deadline is Friday 23:59 BST
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:38 pm

Score will be in four parts: grammatical and lexical appropriacy, flair, strength of answer, and coherence.

(If this is successful I will post another question with a $10 charity prize. Also I reserve the right to disqualify peoples entries based on whether they're incels/losers/I dont like them etc.)

Entries do not require citations. Adding citations will not increase the quality of the response. It is optional.
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REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby The Archbishopric of York » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:45 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Heresy!

There are not enough shrines, not enough images of Our Lady.

One shrine is already one too many.

Down with papist idolatry.
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Armenia and Ethiopia would like to contest that.


Do they count as empires, though? At any rate, the kingdoms of Armenia and Ethiopia were not nearly as large or powerful as Byzantium.

The Aksumite Empire was undoubtedly an empire and I have no idea why anyone would deny this, other than racism.

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:46 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:Score will be in four parts: grammatical and lexical appropriacy, flair, strength of answer, and coherence.

(If this is successful I will post another question with a $10 charity prize. Also I reserve the right to disqualify peoples entries based on whether they're incels/losers/I dont like them etc.)

Entries do not require citations. Adding citations will not increase the quality of the response. It is optional.

i don't think you're allowed to create a rubric after people have already submitted entries :eyebrow:
and just to be clear, you will disqualify people's entries if they aren't losers who you don't like? in that case, i'm in good shape!
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:51 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:Score will be in four parts: grammatical and lexical appropriacy, flair, strength of answer, and coherence.

(If this is successful I will post another question with a $10 charity prize. Also I reserve the right to disqualify peoples entries based on whether they're incels/losers/I dont like them etc.)

Entries do not require citations. Adding citations will not increase the quality of the response. It is optional.

i don't think you're allowed to create a rubric after people have already submitted entries :eyebrow:
and just to be clear, you will disqualify people's entries if they aren't losers who you don't like? in that case, i'm in good shape!
I am allowed to do whatever I want lol. You also don't qualify as a loser who I don't like [yet]

Anyway I will be fair about it. Have some belief :)
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby Novus America » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:54 pm

Another essay idea, why the Chad Trash Panda or Raccoon (Procyon lotor) is clearly superior from the right wing perspective to the Virgin Giant Panda (Ailuropoda melanoleuca).

We all know unlike the hard working, adaptable family raising and adaptable trash panda, who can survive in nearly any environment through its high intelligence and hard work, the giant panda just sits around on state welfare without contributing to society, too lazy to reproduce, and is also clearly a vehicle for communist infiltration...
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:56 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Dalai Lamas vs Tsars which had the better aesthetic?


I don't even know what Dalai Lama aesthetics look like.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:56 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:Score will be in four parts: grammatical and lexical appropriacy, flair, strength of answer, and coherence.

(If this is successful I will post another question with a $10 charity prize. Also I reserve the right to disqualify peoples entries based on whether they're incels/losers/I dont like them etc.)

Entries do not require citations. Adding citations will not increase the quality of the response. It is optional.

i don't think you're allowed to create a rubric after people have already submitted entries :eyebrow:
and just to be clear, you will disqualify people's entries if they aren't losers who you don't like? in that case, i'm in good shape!


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jsW9MlYu31g
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:05 pm

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:22 pm

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Sundiata wrote:There are not enough shrines, not enough images of Our Lady.

One shrine is already one too many.

Down with papist idolatry.
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Do they count as empires, though? At any rate, the kingdoms of Armenia and Ethiopia were not nearly as large or powerful as Byzantium.

The Aksumite Empire was undoubtedly an empire and I have no idea why anyone would deny this, other than racism.

Weird that I was the one defending it as an empire then.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:23 pm

The Archbishopric of York wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Do they count as empires, though? At any rate, the kingdoms of Armenia and Ethiopia were not nearly as large or powerful as Byzantium.

The Aksumite Empire was undoubtedly an empire and I have no idea why anyone would deny this, other than racism.


With all due respect to the Ethiopian people, casually glancing at a map of the Aksumite Empire suggests that it wasn't larger in area than the average modern European nation-state.

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:25 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Archbishopric of York wrote:
The Aksumite Empire was undoubtedly an empire and I have no idea why anyone would deny this, other than racism.


With all due respect to the Ethiopian people, casually glancing at a map of the Aksumite Empire suggests that it wasn't larger in area than the average modern European nation-state.

it was like 3.5x the size of modern germany and twice the size of modern france in 350
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