RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Tbh I gave up on effortposts because no matter how many you did and no matter how many sources you used nobody would be open to changing their opinions and beliefs and it was a waste of time. I'll still talk seriously about a topic if I find it engaging enough but beyond that it's just not really worth the time investment when you can largely make your point in a much shorter post.

honestly i effortpost and respond to effort posts (usually) because my career and education aren't oriented towards history, philosophy and politics, so it's a good way to expand my knowledge and practice what i already know in a casual setting with a relatively high concentration of educated people.

cekoviu, that post was one for the ages and should be included in the OP for future rwdts. outside of the fact that accurately and precisely mapping ns posting habits is probably inherently extrapolated because of the nature of posting (one day a week you spam 20 posts, the other six days nothing for example) it was very well done and im not surprised at who was "statistically" the best poster. joohan, we see you, dont be discouraged, keep posting.

it should be in the OP of every thread and it should be recalculated for every thread too

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Hard no, I can't stand hot weather. The one thing I would change about the UK's climate is how damn humid it is; the moisture in the air makes the summer heat unbearably stifling, and the cold in winter chills you to the bone. Extremes of temperature are much more bearable abroad because of the comparative dryness of the air. I also don't much like beer, mind you. I'm usually a Scotch or rum man, occasionally I'll go for a bourbon or a brandy. I find wine too bitter, unless it's mulled wine in winter or sangria in summer. Mead is pretty good, too.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Mead is really good, I quite enjoy having a glass with dinners.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

You're a dancer? I went to a performing art High School myself but am more into theatre than dance. Ballet is tough, you need to have really good balance to tip toe but the effect looks graceful and effortless. Stretchings and splits are a pain though.

I am. I've studied a couple different forms and styles of dance since I was little. I also did gymnastics since I was young and played soccer beginning freshman year of high school. Ballet looks graceful but it's pretty taxing on the body. I know a couple girls who quit for that reason. Standing or dancing on pointe can absolutely devastated your feet, ankles, and legs. I say that from experience. Anyhow, my DMs are always open and I'd love to hear about your experiences with theater. Who knows? I might broaden my horizons a little.

What do you think of the Movie "The Black Swan"?

It's a good movie but I don't think we should really take it as a serious critique or analysis of ballet and its institutions. It's more of a psychological thriller that explores issues of sexuality, identity, stress, and authenticity.

I see, what are your favorite styles? Ballet is one of course, I personally like the Tango and Zumba, ya know easy stuff, but damn Ballet and Breakdancing is hard. I've always been a frustrated dancer.

[Fahran]

Yea, you have said it. We know what you think. That's the point. I want you to say it directly, I don't want you to couch it in soclib terms or whatever. You think it's immoral for this to happen? Frankly I think it comes from your religious upbringing, not from a rational ethics. But either is fine. Then make the point. Place a position and stake your reputation on holding it. Treat your own position with more respect.

It's possible it's inspired by my religious upbringing but I seldom make an exclusively religious argument for anything concerning broader society given that I live in the Diaspora. My actual position on issues of sexuality is pretty nuanced and encompasses a couple different issues. In our present discussion, I stressed the one that was being debated before I entered the conversation. And I do believe the argument I made despite having multiple other arguments.

Do you think it matters?

Really?

I do.

I follow the argument. Really. But I don't think that in the individual instance it matters. I don't think any time I had an ONS I did a disservice to humanity. Maybe to myself. Maybe to the other person. Maybe they did to me too. But not to humanity, and not to public morality.

Is it not objectionable to do a disservice to yourself and to another person? I don't think you can neatly distinguish between personal moral conduct and public morality without resorting to an especially egregious form of libertarian argumentation.

But maybe ten thousand of me doing that would. And that's the point I want to make. The cardinal argument about whether something is good or bad in a vacuum is mastubatory. What matters is how we function as a group of people. If that kind of behaviour makes us function worse, we should eliminate it, or try to, and if better then promote it.

As I've said, in stating that this behavior is unethical and/or pernicious to society, my point isn't really to focus on it in a vacuum - because true vacuums don't exist. Harm has been done on multiple levels. That the harm has not, by itself, caused the total collapse of civilization does not mean that it hasn't been harmful and that it hasn't contributed towards that ultimate end.

That's all God is. God was always a way to make humans believe in doing things that they don't want to that are good for civilisation because the ancients could see civilisation and anti-civilisation easily. I know that it means more to you and others spiritually and I'm not trying to demean that. Honestly. But at some point, SOMEONE needs to say: you can't do this because I say so because our society can't look like a mirror image of you, and that's it.

Don't you think so?

I think there's significant truth to what you've said, yes.

[Fahran]

it should be in the OP of every thread and it should be recalculated for every thread too

I shall make it so for this thread. But I have no plans to begin the next iteration and so I leave that to my successor in this most cursed of ventures.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

Tango is for Crypto-Fascists, invented by Peronists.

https://www.todotango.com/english/histo ... eir-works/

[The Archbishopric of York]

Hard no, I can't stand hot weather. The one thing I would change about the UK's climate is how damn humid it is; the moisture in the air makes the summer heat unbearably stifling, and the cold in winter chills you to the bone. Extremes of temperature are much more bearable abroad because of the comparative dryness of the air. I also don't much like beer, mind you. I'm usually a Scotch or rum man, occasionally I'll go for a bourbon or a brandy. I find wine too bitter, unless it's mulled wine in winter or sangria in summer. Mead is pretty good, too.

Do you have a problem?

[Cekoviu]

honestly i effortpost and respond to effort posts (usually) because my career and education aren't oriented towards history, philosophy and politics, so it's a good way to expand my knowledge and practice what i already know in a casual setting with a relatively high concentration of educated people.

cekoviu, that post was one for the ages and should be included in the OP for future rwdts. outside of the fact that accurately and precisely mapping ns posting habits is probably inherently extrapolated because of the nature of posting (one day a week you spam 20 posts, the other six days nothing for example) it was very well done and im not surprised at who was "statistically" the best poster. joohan, we see you, dont be discouraged, keep posting.

it should be in the OP of every thread and it should be recalculated for every thread too

yeah that's what i was thinking -- it might be nice to put the previous thread's analysis in the OP of the current thread to motivate people to post better/worse (looking ahead to the future, since there's no previous thread analysis for now)

[The Marlborough]

Mead is really good, I quite enjoy having a glass with dinners.

It is quite good. There is a local brewery that makes some really good mead and Imperial stouts for decent prices. I should probably buy a bottle again since it has been awhile. Barely wine is also something I enjoy.

[Italios]

Tango is for Crypto-Fascists, invented by Peronists.

https://www.todotango.com/english/histo ... eir-works/

in like fifth grade i had to do a big project on a random country i was assigned by teacher, with triboard, props, and bring in food from that country too.

i got Argentina. i set up display on day of presentation, and we have time for teachers and students to circulate through displays. French teacher, a very snobby Parisian woman comes over, and asks for a fact about argentina. i talk about tango dancing and the costumes they wear and she goes "well you know it was invented by prostitutes," and i'm eleven years old and a little bit confused.

the lesson here is that if cryptofascists invented tango, and prostitutes invented tango, cryptofascists are prostitutes. proving questers right once against in his psychoanalysis of fascism, sexuality and power.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

It's possible it's inspired by my religious upbringing but I seldom make an exclusively religious argument for anything concerning broader society given that I live in the Diaspora. My actual position on issues of sexuality is pretty nuanced and encompasses a couple different issues. In our present discussion, I stressed the one that was being debated before I entered the conversation. And I do believe the argument I made despite having multiple other arguments.

I think it's better that you post your real opinions directly.

Nobody wants to know what Fahran appealing to libs think. People want to know what Fahran appealing to Fahran thinks.

I do.

You answered the most important part of the post with 2 words

Is it not objectionable to do a disservice to yourself and to another person? I don't think you can neatly distinguish between personal moral conduct and public morality without resorting to an especially egregious form of libertarian argumentation.

As I've said, in stating that this behavior is unethical and/or pernicious to society, my point isn't really to focus on it in a vacuum - because true vacuums don't exist. Harm has been done on multiple levels. That the harm has not, by itself, caused the total collapse of civilization does not mean that it hasn't been harmful and that it hasn't contributed towards that ultimate end.

Sure but I think if you do a disservice to yourself, which we are all bound to do, the proper thing is to sit and think on it and maybe don't do it again. I don't think it plays into public morality - what we as a group want to try to force people to do.

I don't want to make the conversation too personal. That would involve detailing my sexual experience to RWDT. Really. I don't want to go into too much detail there.

But like I said, there's doing yourself a disservice and there's doing the community a disservice. In the final analysis, you can do plenty of the former and none of the latter. If you think that's not true, you have to find a way to bind those two things into one idea and present it to people. There you have religion. You can't dilly-dally with religion, you have to push it or don't bother at all. I'm not alien to social conservatism, but I want to see social conservatives present it exactly as it is and say it exactly as they mean it. I don't see a point otherwise.

[Cekoviu]

Tango is for Crypto-Fascists, invented by Peronists.

https://www.todotango.com/english/histo ... eir-works/

in like fifth grade i had to do a big project on a random country i was assigned by teacher, with triboard, props, and bring in food from that country too.

i got Argentina. i set up display on day of presentation, and we have time for teachers and students to circulate through displays. French teacher, a very snobby Parisian woman comes over, and asks for a fact about argentina. i talk about tango dancing and the costumes they wear and she goes "well you know it was invented by prostitutes," and i'm eleven years old and a little bit confused.

the lesson here is that if cryptofascists invented tango, and prostitutes invented tango, cryptofascists are prostitutes. proving questers right once against in his psychoanalysis of fascism, sexuality and power.

but argentinians invented tango. thus, cryptofascists are prostitutes, prostitutes are argentinians, ipso facto cryptofascists are argentinians

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

[Luminesa]

Tango is for Crypto-Fascists, invented by Peronists.

https://www.todotango.com/english/histo ... eir-works/

in like fifth grade i had to do a big project on a random country i was assigned by teacher, with triboard, props, and bring in food from that country too.

i got Argentina. i set up display on day of presentation, and we have time for teachers and students to circulate through displays. French teacher, a very snobby Parisian woman comes over, and asks for a fact about argentina. i talk about tango dancing and the costumes they wear and she goes "well you know it was invented by prostitutes," and i'm eleven years old and a little bit confused.

the lesson here is that if cryptofascists invented tango, and prostitutes invented tango, cryptofascists are prostitutes. proving questers right once against in his psychoanalysis of fascism, sexuality and power.

She didn't need to be so rude when you were giving your facts, geez.

[State of Turelisa]

When I was a boy, I used to think chocolate covered ants were part of Roald Dahl's wicked imagination after I read Charlie and The Glass Elevator. I can't imagine why people eat them, nor could I bring myself to find out by popping a couple into my mouth. Insects are definitely off the Mosaic menu.

I would ask you to not knock it until you've tried it. They are actually pretty good and chocolaty. The key to insects are frying them, once you've fried them they actually taste really damn good. Fried grasshopper tastes a bit like shrimp for instance but with a crunchy texture.

Eating insects may be a gourmet experience, but it has disadvantages for human health and the nutritional value isn't as good as meat because insect protein isn't so bio-available as the animal type. Besides, from my religious perspective, it's 'unclean'.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

She didn't need to be so rude

u never met any french ppl?

[Cekoviu]

She didn't need to be so rude

u never met any french ppl?

>french
>people
pick one

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

I ate a scorpion once. dont recommend

[The Marlborough]

in like fifth grade i had to do a big project on a random country i was assigned by teacher, with triboard, props, and bring in food from that country too.

i got Argentina. i set up display on day of presentation, and we have time for teachers and students to circulate through displays. French teacher, a very snobby Parisian woman comes over, and asks for a fact about argentina. i talk about tango dancing and the costumes they wear and she goes "well you know it was invented by prostitutes," and i'm eleven years old and a little bit confused.

the lesson here is that if cryptofascists invented tango, and prostitutes invented tango, cryptofascists are prostitutes. proving questers right once against in his psychoanalysis of fascism, sexuality and power.

She didn't need to be so rude when you were giving your facts, geez.

She is apparently Parisian, which explains the rudeness. Even French people don't like Parisians.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

Tango is for Crypto-Fascists, invented by Peronists.

https://www.todotango.com/english/histo ... eir-works/

in like fifth grade i had to do a big project on a random country i was assigned by teacher, with triboard, props, and bring in food from that country too.

i got Argentina. i set up display on day of presentation, and we have time for teachers and students to circulate through displays. French teacher, a very snobby Parisian woman comes over, and asks for a fact about argentina. i talk about tango dancing and the costumes they wear and she goes "well you know it was invented by prostitutes," and i'm eleven years old and a little bit confused.

the lesson here is that if cryptofascists invented tango, and prostitutes invented tango, cryptofascists are prostitutes. proving questers right once against in his psychoanalysis of fascism, sexuality and power.

That's why Nazi imagery is so popular among BDSM circles.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

u never met any french ppl?

>french
>people
pick one

without them you would be speaking british english lol

youd be non rhotic LMFAO

[Luminesa]

I have asserted in previous discussions that free love and polyamory are not socially advantageous and that their advocates should remain in the minority whatever the cost. I actually jumped into this discussion and raised a couple of issues about sexuality and ethics related to it. Importantly, the absence of objectification doesn't make sexuality moral or ethical by default. It's simply one of many necessary elements.

Yea, you have said it. We know what you think. That's the point. I want you to say it directly, I don't want you to couch it in soclib terms or whatever. You think it's immoral for this to happen? Frankly I think it comes from your religious upbringing, not from a rational ethics. But either is fine. Then make the point. Place a position and stake your reputation on holding it. Treat your own position with more respect.

This reminds me of Oakeshott's brand of conservatism more so than Russell Kirk's or the conservatism of the Southern Agrarians. One weakness of conservative paradigms at the moment is that the Overton Window only seriously incorporates liberal paradigms - it's why many socialists and nationalists still "hide their power levels" by masking their policies with discussions of liberal freedom and such. In my case, I was trying to present one element of a broader argument that might sway a particular audience.

It's not that they're "defiling each other's agency." It's that they're ursuing shallow relationships where sexuality is inordinate and improper that are not worth as much as more profound and intimate relationships where sexuality is ordinate and proper. I'm quite insistent on the acknowledgement of disparities in value and worth in this context. And on maintaining that, while vices may be a fact of life, they're still vices and not to be encouraged. Because vices, by their nature, are morally repugnant and harmful to the social fabric when taken to extremes.

Do you think it matters?

Really?

I follow the argument. Really. But I don't think that in the individual instance it matters. I don't think any time I had an ONS I did a disservice to humanity. Maybe to myself. Maybe to the other person. Maybe they did to me too. But not to humanity, and not to public morality. But maybe ten thousand of me doing that would. And that's the point I want to make. The cardinal argument about whether something is good or bad in a vacuum is mastubatory. What matters is how we function as a group of people. If that kind of behaviour makes us function worse, we should eliminate it, or try to, and if better then promote it.

That's all God is. God was always a way to make humans believe in doing things that they don't want to that are good for civilisation because the ancients could see civilisation and anti-civilisation easily. I know that it means more to you and others spiritually and I'm not trying to demean that. Honestly. But at some point, SOMEONE needs to say: you can't do this because I say so because our society can't look like a mirror image of you, and that's it.

Don't you think so?

I kind of get what you're trying to express, though you make it sound as though God is a human invention. I get that you're not spiritual and I'm Catholic, and Fahran is Jewish. A one-night-stand does mostly affect just you, but your actions do have a ripple effect. And sure, ten thousand of you doing that would be a disservice to humanity, because then people that ten thousand you's know are effected.

[Italios]

in like fifth grade i had to do a big project on a random country i was assigned by teacher, with triboard, props, and bring in food from that country too.

i got Argentina. i set up display on day of presentation, and we have time for teachers and students to circulate through displays. French teacher, a very snobby Parisian woman comes over, and asks for a fact about argentina. i talk about tango dancing and the costumes they wear and she goes "well you know it was invented by prostitutes," and i'm eleven years old and a little bit confused.

the lesson here is that if cryptofascists invented tango, and prostitutes invented tango, cryptofascists are prostitutes. proving questers right once against in his psychoanalysis of fascism, sexuality and power.

That's why Nazi imagery is so popular among BDSM circles.

have you heard of the artist tom of Finland? lol

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

She didn't need to be so rude when you were giving your facts, geez.

She is apparently Parisian, which explains the rudeness. Even French people don't like Parisians.

Parisians are snobbish. Even in Canada the Quebecois have a snobbish reputation.