RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[New haven america]

1. Yes, because the largest country in Africa who's basically sitting on a resource gold mine couldn't rise up to being a major economic power on the continent.

1. Which doesnt means nothing if 90% of their population lives on a level literally close to the stone age or barely above it. Illiterate. With really a few people left. Also most Copper mines were in Katanga run by belgian experts and companies. Which were outside of the reach of Lumumba who was residing in Leopoldville where the population was partially hostile to him.

2. And Congo's government at the time was focusing mainly on education and economic growth.

2. Congo had no government back then. It had Lumumba trying to save his ass and get his gig running with increasingly risky and borderline insane political tricks. Most members of the parliament were tribal chiefs who couldn even read and write and didn understood much of modern politics nor what they were even doing there.

3. Well then it's a good thing I wasn't talking about Lumumba.

Kay

4. I could ask you the same thing with the amount of assumptions you've made~

3. I am on 100% secure terrain here.

I have the books right here and countless internet articles, essays and what not all will support what I wrote. I dont even need to look them up.

We're done here.

1. The same thing could've been said about Botswana or Nigeria 30 years ago. It's almost as if economic progress is something that can actually happen anywhere in the world if you can find a niche or get your shit together.
2. Except it did, because it also had a lot of educated elite of the nation taking over once the Europeans left.
3. Then why have most of your points been made off of assumptions to things I didn't say or mention and why are you running off so quickly? Like, nothing I've said has really contradicted anything you've said up until this very post, so what's the problem?

[Nakena]

Thoughts on Tucker Carlson?

Dear God, i can't even begin to describe my distaste for the all the cool contrarian political dissenters who think he's their ally or someone who speaks for them - left or right.

tucker likes to stir shit and then when the shit actually hits the fan, he reverts back to status quo-enforced racial boomer politics because he's also a multimillionaire and at the end of the day, if we actually thought about class, his head would end up on a pike.

edit: i see i was late to convo and most people see through the fake woke facade, which is a warm surprise

I believe he's a rising star amongst the american mainstream GOP/right-wing scene and will grow in importance. Whether one likes him or not, he is going to be a force to be reckoned wth.

I could imagine him as post-trumpian populist presidential candidate or something like that.

[Bear Stearns]

Thoughts on Tucker Carlson?

Best person on television. Tucker 2020

[Bear Stearns]

Thoughts on Tucker Carlson?

Dear God, i can't even begin to describe my distaste for the all the cool contrarian political dissenters who think he's their ally or someone who speaks for them - left or right.

tucker likes to stir shit and then when the shit actually hits the fan, he reverts back to status quo-enforced racial boomer politics because he's also a multimillionaire and at the end of the day, if we actually thought about class, his head would end up on a pike.

edit: i see i was late to convo and most people see through the fake woke facade, which is a warm surprise

Tucker is pretty woke on class

[New haven america]

Dear God, i can't even begin to describe my distaste for the all the cool contrarian political dissenters who think he's their ally or someone who speaks for them - left or right.

tucker likes to stir shit and then when the shit actually hits the fan, he reverts back to status quo-enforced racial boomer politics because he's also a multimillionaire and at the end of the day, if we actually thought about class, his head would end up on a pike.

edit: i see i was late to convo and most people see through the fake woke facade, which is a warm surprise

Tucker is pretty woke on class

When he chooses to be.

[Cekoviu]

Dear God, i can't even begin to describe my distaste for the all the cool contrarian political dissenters who think he's their ally or someone who speaks for them - left or right.

tucker likes to stir shit and then when the shit actually hits the fan, he reverts back to status quo-enforced racial boomer politics because he's also a multimillionaire and at the end of the day, if we actually thought about class, his head would end up on a pike.

edit: i see i was late to convo and most people see through the fake woke facade, which is a warm surprise

Tucker is pretty woke on class

oof, there goes the streak

[Nakena]

1. The same thing could've been said about Botswana or Nigeria 30 years ago. It's almost as if economic progress is something that can actually happen anywhere in the world if you can find a niche or get your shit together.

No because....

2. Except it did, because it also had a lot of educated elite of the nation taking over once the Europeans left.

Thats exactly what Congo didn had.

In fact that was their biggest problem to begin with. The belgiums kept their underlings on a very low level.

[Cisairse]

Dear God, i can't even begin to describe my distaste for the all the cool contrarian political dissenters who think he's their ally or someone who speaks for them - left or right.

tucker likes to stir shit and then when the shit actually hits the fan, he reverts back to status quo-enforced racial boomer politics because he's also a multimillionaire and at the end of the day, if we actually thought about class, his head would end up on a pike.

edit: i see i was late to convo and most people see through the fake woke facade, which is a warm surprise

Tucker is pretty woke on class

He had exactly one good quote. He has hundreds of awful ones.

[New haven america]

1. The same thing could've been said about Botswana or Nigeria 30 years ago. It's almost as if economic progress is something that can actually happen anywhere in the world if you can find a niche or get your shit together.

No because....

2. Except it did, because it also had a lot of educated elite of the nation taking over once the Europeans left.

Thats exactly what Congo didn had.

In fact that was their biggest problem to begin with. The belgiums kept their underlings on a very low level.

Again, same thing can be said for Nigeria, or Botswana, or most sub-Saharan African countries.

Oh wait, except some of them are actually advancing and getting their shit together.

[Nakena]

No because....



Thats exactly what Congo didn had.

In fact that was their biggest problem to begin with. The belgiums kept their underlings on a very low level.

Again, same thing can be said for Nigeria, or Botswana, or most sub-Saharan African countries.

Oh wait, except some of them are actually advancing and getting their shit together.

No. Nigeria and Botswana had at least a small and somewhat advanced elite.

Nothing special mind you.

Congo had nothing. Nada.

Just a few lucky chaps who got, by 1954, send into the hastly, and way too late build Lovanium University in Leopoldville. It even had, funnily enough, a nuclear reactor sponsored by the USA.

But that came all too late. When Congo was released into independence, they were absolutly unprepared. Way more than almost any other african countries. The belgiums had kept the congolese at a total uneducated, primitive level. Something to this extend unknown in the rest of Africa.

[Bienenhalde]

There won't be an "after Trump" for a while, is the problem. He won't simply relinquish control over the movement he's created for himself, it's not in his personality or in the general style of such figures to do so. But if this movement wants broader electoral appeal, it has to drop him. As such, they are cornered before they can get off the ground, and will be forced to limit themselves to the styling of Trump and his direct supporters.

Would not be surprised if Trump runs in '24

Assuming he's still alive

Well, in that case I hope there would be a better Republican candidate who could defeat him in the primaries.

[Bienenhalde]

You would be mistaken to worship Mary, we are to worship God.

However, there's no better way to get to Christ than through his mother. Ask her to pray for you, compliment her, give her your time. She needs our attention, especially because she experienced such great sorrow in her life. After all, she saw her only son tortured to death for all of our sake. Love her dearly, and in turn love all women the same.

The political implications of Marian devotion are programs like paid-maternity leave, child tax-credits, etc.

So where supposed to support Mary by worshiping her?

Even though we shouldn't worship her?

Of course worshipping Mary as a goddess would be idolatrous. But she still should be respected as a saint who God chose for a great purpose.

[Sundiata]

So where supposed to support Mary by worshiping her?

Even though we shouldn't worship her?

Of course worshipping Mary as a goddess would be idolatrous. But she still should be respected as a saint who God chose for a great purpose.

She's a special saint, not like the others.

[Nakena]

Because you're incredibly ignorant on the subject.

Sorry hadn seen this earlier.

I we want to talk about terms, you're familiar with the term "People of the Book"?

Because that is the islamic term for this.

Altough it includes a few more religions so I dont use it. And as for ignorance, do I have to remind you at your statement regarding islam? Glasshouses and stones... so lets leave it at that.

Besides I have studied them all to varying extends. I do not deny that theres vast theological differences, histories etc. All given. But and, thats my point, from the outsider perspective it looks kinda similar in one central and crucial aspect: Namely the supposed subjection of the tribe and later all humanity under the God Jehova/Jaweh/Allah whatever and the incorporation of at least partially shared lore. Also Abrahams sons later foremed their own tribes which were the origin of the jews and the arabs. (which makes the conflict in Israel sort of a tribal inheritance dispute...)

Ofc from an insider perspective, such as yours, that looks different. Because you are inside, you see the differences, perceive them, they are very big. I am not denying that.

For me the picture shows different. And thats because I am indeed outside to the whole belief system that is the normative standard in western discourse. Even amongst many atheists, are unwittingly deeply in it. A lot revert to christianity or some other form of related belief as this is their underlaying religious belief system. Which you often mentioned in context of christian and catholic renegades and heretics, and you also noted correctly that I do not belong to those.

[Salus Maior]

Because you're incredibly ignorant on the subject.

Sorry hadn seen this earlier.

I we want to talk about terms, you're familiar with the term "People of the Book"?

Because that is the islamic term for this.

Altough it includes a few more religions so I dont use it. And as for ignorance, do I have to remind you at your statement regarding islam? Glasshouses and stones... so lets leave it at that.

Besides I have studied them all to varying extends. I do not deny that theres vast theological differences, histories etc. All given. But and, thats my point, from the outsider perspective it looks kinda similar in one central and crucial aspect: Namely the supposed subjection of the tribe and later all humanity under the God Jehova/Jaweh/Allah whatever and the incorporation of at least partially shared lore. Also Abrahams sons later foremed their own tribes which were the origin of the jews and the arabs. (which makes the conflict in Israel sort of a tribal inheritance dispute...)

Ofc from an insider perspective, such as yours, that looks different. Because you are inside, you see the differences, perceive them, they are very big. I am not denying that.

For me the picture shows different. And thats because I am indeed outside to the whole belief system that is the normative standard in western discourse. Even amongst many atheists, are unwittingly deeply in it. A lot revert to christianity or some other form of related belief as this is their underlaying religious belief system. Which you often mentioned in context of christian and catholic renegades and heretics, and you also noted correctly that I do not belong to those.

So you know your picture is wrong, but you decide to persist with it.

Figures.

[Nakena]

Sorry hadn seen this earlier.

I we want to talk about terms, you're familiar with the term "People of the Book"?

Because that is the islamic term for this.

Altough it includes a few more religions so I dont use it. And as for ignorance, do I have to remind you at your statement regarding islam? Glasshouses and stones... so lets leave it at that.

Besides I have studied them all to varying extends. I do not deny that theres vast theological differences, histories etc. All given. But and, thats my point, from the outsider perspective it looks kinda similar in one central and crucial aspect: Namely the supposed subjection of the tribe and later all humanity under the God Jehova/Jaweh/Allah whatever and the incorporation of at least partially shared lore. Also Abrahams sons later foremed their own tribes which were the origin of the jews and the arabs. (which makes the conflict in Israel sort of a tribal inheritance dispute...)

Ofc from an insider perspective, such as yours, that looks different. Because you are inside, you see the differences, perceive them, they are very big. I am not denying that.

For me the picture shows different. And thats because I am indeed outside to the whole belief system that is the normative standard in western discourse. Even amongst many atheists, are unwittingly deeply in it. A lot revert to christianity or some other form of related belief as this is their underlaying religious belief system. Which you often mentioned in context of christian and catholic renegades and heretics, and you also noted correctly that I do not belong to those.

So you know your picture is wrong, but you decide to persist with it.

Figures.

I just explained you basically thousend years of religious and tribal drama from the middle east.

Because this is what it really it is about.

All related to each other. All coming from the same source. And of course it did, at some point, part its way. And interact later. Its not like they were entirely separated or so.

But it doesnt changes that it is at it's origins and it's core ultimatively a tribal middle eastern religious, monotheist belief system. Or rather a group therof with shared characteristics and a partially shared lore.

That system is abrahamism. It is not monolithic. It's heterogenous. As one could expect after so much time.

[Bear Stearns]

Tucker is pretty woke on class

oof, there goes the streak

whut

[Cisairse]

oof, there goes the streak

whut

you tuckposted unironically

you broke the streak

[Nakena]

Considering the afromentioned tribal inheritance drama its quite worth of nothing how some involved parties keep attempting to drag the west and the US into it... ^^

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Yahwists should return to their polytheistic roots, Yahweh and Asherah not Jesus and Mary okay : ^ )

[Salus Maior]

The Yahwists should return to their polytheistic roots, Yahweh and Asherah not Jesus and Mary okay : ^ )

Gideon had the right idea when it came to Asherah.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Yahwists should return to their polytheistic roots, Yahweh and Asherah not Jesus and Mary okay : ^ )

Gideon had the right idea when it came to Asherah.

I must admit I'm not familiar, got a link or anything by chance? I'm not doing a whole ton tonight so I wouldn't mind something to read.

[Salus Maior]

I just explained you basically thousend years of religious and tribal drama from the middle east.

Because this is what it really it is about.

All related to each other. All coming from the same source. And of course it did, at some point, part its way. And interact later. Its not like they were entirely separated or so.

But it doesnt changes that it is at it's origins and it's core ultimatively a tribal middle eastern religious, monotheist belief system. Or rather a group therof with shared characteristics and a partially shared lore.

That system is abrahamism. It is not monolithic. It's heterogenous. As one could expect after so much time.

And that is another over-simplification, which doesn't exactly fill me with confidence as to what "extent" you've read into it.

[Salus Maior]

Gideon had the right idea when it came to Asherah.

I must admit I'm not familiar, got a link or anything by chance? I'm not doing a whole ton tonight so I wouldn't mind something to read.

It's in the Bible. The story of the Judge Gideon.

In short, he cut down Asherah poles and destroyed altars of Baal.

[Bear Stearns]

Chris Cuomo is definitely a cokehead.

It takes one to know one.