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by Bear Stearns » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:59 pm
by Cisairse » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:00 pm
The Marlborough wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Can't say I'm familiar outside of the Khmer Rouge and the Vietnamese occupation.
Though the Khmer Rouge getting support from the United States was pretty weird, come to think.
The very compact and short version goes like this:
Norodom Sihanouk becomes king. Later he abdicates in favor of his father and basically becomes the prime minister. Then he becomes the dictator. Then he gets coup'd. Then he joins with the Khmer Rouge. Then he sides with the Vietnamese backed CPP against the Khmer Rouge. Then he goes against the Vietnamese backed CPP and Khmer Rouge.
Hun Sen joined with the Khmer Rouge. Then he left the Khmer Rouge and became leader of the CPP.
Then both Hun Sen and Norodom Sihanouk reconciled, with Hun Sen and his old communist party reinstating the monarchy with Norodom Sihanouk as king once more.
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:01 pm
Bear Stearns wrote: Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.
by Cekoviu » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:01 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:If Republicans were commit to a full populist/nationalist economic platform (not the half-neocon stuff we're getting with Trump), it might be enough to permanently get the Rust Belt under their control. Places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin are becoming redder as Democrats leave those states for the Sun Belt. If Republicans commit to nationalist economics and drop the libertarian laissez-faire crap, then Pennsylvania becomes solid red, and Minnesota and Maine are now within reach, and Republicans can become somewhat competitive in New Jersey and Delaware. I'll even say that due to shifting demographics, New Hampshire and Vermont are also within the realm of possibility for going Republicans.
Not to mention that a Republican Party going hard populist on economics is going to win over a huge chunk of the white Bernie crowd too. Especially if some nationalist Republican starts floating the idea of taxing the rich at 1950s levels, with the rhetoric that the 0.1% are globalist anti-Americans...
On the flip of this scenario, however, Republicans will probably permanently lose Virginia and Georgia, and will be less competitive in Florida, Arizona, and Texas. Basically trading the Sun Belt for the Rust Belt. But I don't see what other choice they have? They are going to lose the Sun Belt anyways, but they can at least lock down the Rust Belt in conciliation. Otherwise if they try to keep the neocon/libertarian thing going post-Trump, they will lose the Rust Belt too and be left with nothing.
Essentially, the Democrats become the social liberalism, global capitalism, and an aggressive foreign policy. They'll probably take in a bunch of the Never-Trump Republicans and former neocons. Republicans become the party of work, family, and fatherland with an isolationist foreign policy. AOC-type progressives probably former a swing voting group that hates both sides (Democrats for being global capitalists, Republicans for being nationalists). Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.
by The Cazistan » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:02 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:If Republicans were commit to a full populist/nationalist economic platform (not the half-neocon stuff we're getting with Trump), it might be enough to permanently get the Rust Belt under their control. Places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin are becoming redder as Democrats leave those states for the Sun Belt. If Republicans commit to nationalist economics and drop the libertarian laissez-faire crap, then Pennsylvania becomes solid red, and Minnesota and Maine are now within reach, and Republicans can become somewhat competitive in New Jersey and Delaware. I'll even say that due to shifting demographics, New Hampshire and Vermont are also within the realm of possibility for going Republicans.
Not to mention that a Republican Party going hard populist on economics is going to win over a huge chunk of the white Bernie crowd too. Especially if some nationalist Republican starts floating the idea of taxing the rich at 1950s levels, with the rhetoric that the 0.1% are globalist anti-Americans...
On the flip of this scenario, however, Republicans will probably permanently lose Virginia and Georgia, and will be less competitive in Florida, Arizona, and Texas. Basically trading the Sun Belt for the Rust Belt. But I don't see what other choice they have? They are going to lose the Sun Belt anyways, but they can at least lock down the Rust Belt in conciliation. Otherwise if they try to keep the neocon/libertarian thing going post-Trump, they will lose the Rust Belt too and be left with nothing.
Essentially, the Democrats become the social liberalism, global capitalism, and an aggressive foreign policy. They'll probably take in a bunch of the Never-Trump Republicans and former neocons. Republicans become the party of work, family, and fatherland with an isolationist foreign policy. AOC-type progressives probably former a swing voting group that hates both sides (Democrats for being global capitalists, Republicans for being nationalists). Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.
by Cisairse » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:02 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:If Republicans were commit to a full populist/nationalist economic platform (not the half-neocon stuff we're getting with Trump), it might be enough to permanently get the Rust Belt under their control. Places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin are becoming redder as Democrats leave those states for the Sun Belt. If Republicans commit to nationalist economics and drop the libertarian laissez-faire crap, then Pennsylvania becomes solid red, and Minnesota and Maine are now within reach, and Republicans can become somewhat competitive in New Jersey and Delaware. I'll even say that due to shifting demographics, New Hampshire and Vermont are also within the realm of possibility for going Republicans.
Not to mention that a Republican Party going hard populist on economics is going to win over a huge chunk of the white Bernie crowd too. Especially if some nationalist Republican starts floating the idea of taxing the rich at 1950s levels, with the rhetoric that the 0.1% are globalist anti-Americans...
On the flip of this scenario, however, Republicans will probably permanently lose Virginia and Georgia, and will be less competitive in Florida, Arizona, and Texas. Basically trading the Sun Belt for the Rust Belt. But I don't see what other choice they have? They are going to lose the Sun Belt anyways, but they can at least lock down the Rust Belt in conciliation. Otherwise if they try to keep the neocon/libertarian thing going post-Trump, they will lose the Rust Belt too and be left with nothing.
Essentially, the Democrats become the social liberalism, global capitalism, and an aggressive foreign policy. They'll probably take in a bunch of the Never-Trump Republicans and former neocons. Republicans become the party of work, family, and fatherland with an isolationist foreign policy. AOC-type progressives probably former a swing voting group that hates both sides (Democrats for being global capitalists, Republicans for being nationalists). Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.
by Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:04 pm
The Cazistan wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:If Republicans were commit to a full populist/nationalist economic platform (not the half-neocon stuff we're getting with Trump), it might be enough to permanently get the Rust Belt under their control. Places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin are becoming redder as Democrats leave those states for the Sun Belt. If Republicans commit to nationalist economics and drop the libertarian laissez-faire crap, then Pennsylvania becomes solid red, and Minnesota and Maine are now within reach, and Republicans can become somewhat competitive in New Jersey and Delaware. I'll even say that due to shifting demographics, New Hampshire and Vermont are also within the realm of possibility for going Republicans.
Not to mention that a Republican Party going hard populist on economics is going to win over a huge chunk of the white Bernie crowd too. Especially if some nationalist Republican starts floating the idea of taxing the rich at 1950s levels, with the rhetoric that the 0.1% are globalist anti-Americans...
On the flip of this scenario, however, Republicans will probably permanently lose Virginia and Georgia, and will be less competitive in Florida, Arizona, and Texas. Basically trading the Sun Belt for the Rust Belt. But I don't see what other choice they have? They are going to lose the Sun Belt anyways, but they can at least lock down the Rust Belt in conciliation. Otherwise if they try to keep the neocon/libertarian thing going post-Trump, they will lose the Rust Belt too and be left with nothing.
Essentially, the Democrats become the social liberalism, global capitalism, and an aggressive foreign policy. They'll probably take in a bunch of the Never-Trump Republicans and former neocons. Republicans become the party of work, family, and fatherland with an isolationist foreign policy. AOC-type progressives probably former a swing voting group that hates both sides (Democrats for being global capitalists, Republicans for being nationalists). Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.
Yeah that's what's always annoyed me about the contemporary "right", liberal capitalism has proven to be incompatible with nationalism in our current geopolitical environment. We need more people like Tucker Carlson to lead mainstream movement at the very least, ideally we would do away with them entirely.
by Bear Stearns » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:04 pm
Cisairse wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:If Republicans were commit to a full populist/nationalist economic platform (not the half-neocon stuff we're getting with Trump), it might be enough to permanently get the Rust Belt under their control. Places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin are becoming redder as Democrats leave those states for the Sun Belt. If Republicans commit to nationalist economics and drop the libertarian laissez-faire crap, then Pennsylvania becomes solid red, and Minnesota and Maine are now within reach, and Republicans can become somewhat competitive in New Jersey and Delaware. I'll even say that due to shifting demographics, New Hampshire and Vermont are also within the realm of possibility for going Republicans.
Not to mention that a Republican Party going hard populist on economics is going to win over a huge chunk of the white Bernie crowd too. Especially if some nationalist Republican starts floating the idea of taxing the rich at 1950s levels, with the rhetoric that the 0.1% are globalist anti-Americans...
On the flip of this scenario, however, Republicans will probably permanently lose Virginia and Georgia, and will be less competitive in Florida, Arizona, and Texas. Basically trading the Sun Belt for the Rust Belt. But I don't see what other choice they have? They are going to lose the Sun Belt anyways, but they can at least lock down the Rust Belt in conciliation. Otherwise if they try to keep the neocon/libertarian thing going post-Trump, they will lose the Rust Belt too and be left with nothing.
Essentially, the Democrats become the social liberalism, global capitalism, and an aggressive foreign policy. They'll probably take in a bunch of the Never-Trump Republicans and former neocons. Republicans become the party of work, family, and fatherland with an isolationist foreign policy. AOC-type progressives probably former a swing voting group that hates both sides (Democrats for being global capitalists, Republicans for being nationalists). Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.
GOP is never going to be competitive in NJ. We don't give a shit about "nativism", much of our economy relies on international trade to major cities
by Nakena » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:05 pm
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:all western left is poisoned by structuralism of all kinds. marxism no exception. one day on thsi thread we should organise a debate about labour theory of value vs marginal theory of value, I'm sure there would be LOTS of people willing to defend latter.
I really like marx, he had a lot of very interesting things to say and many predictions he made come true, but I can't follow him the way that most socialists do. he's just a guy in history who birthed a movement - there can be a socialism after marxism. i guess i would define my politics as post-marxist non-leftist socialism, personally. I mean, its in the signature L o L
by Northern Davincia » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:05 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:If Republicans were commit to a full populist/nationalist economic platform (not the half-neocon stuff we're getting with Trump), it might be enough to permanently get the Rust Belt under their control. Places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin are becoming redder as Democrats leave those states for the Sun Belt. If Republicans commit to nationalist economics and drop the libertarian laissez-faire crap, then Pennsylvania becomes solid red, and Minnesota and Maine are now within reach, and Republicans can become somewhat competitive in New Jersey and Delaware. I'll even say that due to shifting demographics, New Hampshire and Vermont are also within the realm of possibility for going Republicans.
Not to mention that a Republican Party going hard populist on economics is going to win over a huge chunk of the white Bernie crowd too. Especially if some nationalist Republican starts floating the idea of taxing the rich at 1950s levels, with the rhetoric that the 0.1% are globalist anti-Americans...
On the flip of this scenario, however, Republicans will probably permanently lose Virginia and Georgia, and will be less competitive in Florida, Arizona, and Texas. Basically trading the Sun Belt for the Rust Belt. But I don't see what other choice they have? They are going to lose the Sun Belt anyways, but they can at least lock down the Rust Belt in conciliation. Otherwise if they try to keep the neocon/libertarian thing going post-Trump, they will lose the Rust Belt too and be left with nothing.
Essentially, the Democrats become the party of social liberalism, global capitalism, and an aggressive foreign policy. They'll probably take in a bunch of the Never-Trump Republicans and former neocons. Republicans become the party of work, family, and fatherland with an isolationist foreign policy. AOC-type progressives probably form a swing voting group that hates both sides (Democrats for being global capitalists, Republicans for being nationalists). Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Bear Stearns » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:06 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:If Republicans were commit to a full populist/nationalist economic platform (not the half-neocon stuff we're getting with Trump), it might be enough to permanently get the Rust Belt under their control. Places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin are becoming redder as Democrats leave those states for the Sun Belt. If Republicans commit to nationalist economics and drop the libertarian laissez-faire crap, then Pennsylvania becomes solid red, and Minnesota and Maine are now within reach, and Republicans can become somewhat competitive in New Jersey and Delaware. I'll even say that due to shifting demographics, New Hampshire and Vermont are also within the realm of possibility for going Republicans.
Not to mention that a Republican Party going hard populist on economics is going to win over a huge chunk of the white Bernie crowd too. Especially if some nationalist Republican starts floating the idea of taxing the rich at 1950s levels, with the rhetoric that the 0.1% are globalist anti-Americans...
On the flip of this scenario, however, Republicans will probably permanently lose Virginia and Georgia, and will be less competitive in Florida, Arizona, and Texas. Basically trading the Sun Belt for the Rust Belt. But I don't see what other choice they have? They are going to lose the Sun Belt anyways, but they can at least lock down the Rust Belt in conciliation. Otherwise if they try to keep the neocon/libertarian thing going post-Trump, they will lose the Rust Belt too and be left with nothing.
Essentially, the Democrats become the social liberalism, global capitalism, and an aggressive foreign policy. They'll probably take in a bunch of the Never-Trump Republicans and former neocons. Republicans become the party of work, family, and fatherland with an isolationist foreign policy. AOC-type progressives probably former a swing voting group that hates both sides (Democrats for being global capitalists, Republicans for being nationalists). Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.
ok except in this scenario literally every political group is even more shit than they are currently and i'm not too big on that
by Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:06 pm
Nakena wrote:Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:all western left is poisoned by structuralism of all kinds. marxism no exception. one day on thsi thread we should organise a debate about labour theory of value vs marginal theory of value, I'm sure there would be LOTS of people willing to defend latter.
I really like marx, he had a lot of very interesting things to say and many predictions he made come true, but I can't follow him the way that most socialists do. he's just a guy in history who birthed a movement - there can be a socialism after marxism. i guess i would define my politics as post-marxist non-leftist socialism, personally. I mean, its in the signature L o L
Basically it's one School of Thought and has been, specifically in the last century, an extremly influential one. Basically a universal secular religion with scripture and basic fundamental belief systems, the diamat. It can almost be said that the 20th Century was the century of communism.
Of course there have been, and are, socialisms etc outside of marx but his school of thought is still the major influential ones. Theres many others around, that one is just the most well known and widespread one. And of course it demands and claims to be a rightful and universal truth. Another thing it shares with other religions.
by Salus Maior » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:06 pm
Cisairse wrote:Sundiata wrote:But she is the most virtuous human being.
It's why all other women pale in comparison as she is perfect, fortunately they can resemble her through virtue and deeds. To tell you the truth, it's why I love her.
Sure but that doesn't mean she's beautiful. I know plenty of beautiful women that aren't virtuous by the most reductive definition of the word but they're still beautiful.
by Salus Maior » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:07 pm
by Nakena » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:07 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:If Republicans were commit to a full populist/nationalist economic platform (not the half-neocon stuff we're getting with Trump), it might be enough to permanently get the Rust Belt under their control. Places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin are becoming redder as Democrats leave those states for the Sun Belt. If Republicans commit to nationalist economics and drop the libertarian laissez-faire crap, then Pennsylvania becomes solid red, and Minnesota and Maine are now within reach, and Republicans can become somewhat competitive in New Jersey and Delaware. I'll even say that due to shifting demographics, New Hampshire and Vermont are also within the realm of possibility for going Republicans.
Not to mention that a Republican Party going hard populist on economics is going to win over a huge chunk of the white Bernie crowd too. Especially if some nationalist Republican starts floating the idea of taxing the rich at 1950s levels, with the rhetoric that the 0.1% are globalist anti-Americans...
On the flip of this scenario, however, Republicans will probably permanently lose Virginia and Georgia, and will be less competitive in Florida, Arizona, and Texas. Basically trading the Sun Belt for the Rust Belt. But I don't see what other choice they have? They are going to lose the Sun Belt anyways, but they can at least lock down the Rust Belt in conciliation. Otherwise if they try to keep the neocon/libertarian thing going post-Trump, they will lose the Rust Belt too and be left with nothing.
Essentially, the Democrats become the party of social liberalism, global capitalism, and an aggressive foreign policy. They'll probably take in a bunch of the Never-Trump Republicans and former neocons. Republicans become the party of work, family, and fatherland with an isolationist foreign policy. AOC-type progressives probably form a swing voting group that hates both sides (Democrats for being global capitalists, Republicans for being nationalists). Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.
by Sundiata » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:08 pm
Of course women are flawed, as men are too. However, helping women grow in their faith is not "simping." It's love.Cekoviu wrote:Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:whats more likely, immaculate birth or mary just lied lmfao "uhhh no we never did anything i swear mum"
immaculate birth isn't even unique, its a normal mythology
unlikely != impossible
jfc this is a stupid argumentSundiata wrote:She was bright.
you seem to have maybe missed the point
which is that women are humans with human flaws, just as unclean as men, and not magical angels that you need to be constantly simping for
by Bear Stearns » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:09 pm
Nakena wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:If Republicans were commit to a full populist/nationalist economic platform (not the half-neocon stuff we're getting with Trump), it might be enough to permanently get the Rust Belt under their control. Places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin are becoming redder as Democrats leave those states for the Sun Belt. If Republicans commit to nationalist economics and drop the libertarian laissez-faire crap, then Pennsylvania becomes solid red, and Minnesota and Maine are now within reach, and Republicans can become somewhat competitive in New Jersey and Delaware. I'll even say that due to shifting demographics, New Hampshire and Vermont are also within the realm of possibility for going Republicans.
Not to mention that a Republican Party going hard populist on economics is going to win over a huge chunk of the white Bernie crowd too. Especially if some nationalist Republican starts floating the idea of taxing the rich at 1950s levels, with the rhetoric that the 0.1% are globalist anti-Americans...
On the flip of this scenario, however, Republicans will probably permanently lose Virginia and Georgia, and will be less competitive in Florida, Arizona, and Texas. Basically trading the Sun Belt for the Rust Belt. But I don't see what other choice they have? They are going to lose the Sun Belt anyways, but they can at least lock down the Rust Belt in conciliation. Otherwise if they try to keep the neocon/libertarian thing going post-Trump, they will lose the Rust Belt too and be left with nothing.
Essentially, the Democrats become the party of social liberalism, global capitalism, and an aggressive foreign policy. They'll probably take in a bunch of the Never-Trump Republicans and former neocons. Republicans become the party of work, family, and fatherland with an isolationist foreign policy. AOC-type progressives probably form a swing voting group that hates both sides (Democrats for being global capitalists, Republicans for being nationalists). Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.
I believe this was already, sort of, tried by some trumpists early on and failed entirely on the resistance of the GOP establishment. I wouldn count on this shift to happen, altough in the current situation all bets are open.
by Northern Davincia » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:09 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Salus Maior » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:09 pm
by Bear Stearns » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:09 pm
by Salus Maior » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:10 pm
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraculous_births
divine intervention in conception and birth is a normal thing in human cultures, it features in a lot of religions and etc.
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