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Which alcoholic beverage is the most right-wing?

Wine (Blood and Body?)
23
21%
Beer
22
21%
Vodka
6
6%
Mead
12
11%
Whiskey/Whisky
18
17%
Scotch (option included for Questers and old people)
9
8%
Rakı (option included specifically for Marches)
4
4%
Seltzers/Hard Ciders (because the Claw is the LAW)
5
5%
Gin
4
4%
Other (Rum/Brandy/Cognac/Tequila)
4
4%
 
Total votes : 107

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:38 pm

Sundiata wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:This is the punishment you get by bringing up women in the thread.

They're so lovely. :)

Account of Hypatia of Alexandria from the Souda wrote:She brought some of her female rags and threw them before him, showing him the signs of her unclean origin, and said, "You love this, o youth, and there is nothing beautiful about it."
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Postby Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:38 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
draw up a list of regulars, and order them by avg words per post


Wordiness does not make differentiate a shitposter from an effortposter, instead it would be the quality of the ideals conveyed and how well-argued. I could, for instance, say nothing in 1000 words in one post and yet make a compelling case with one to three sentences in another.

It's part of the reason why minimum word requirements for school are bullshit, the number of words does not correlate to the strength of the argument being made or help your case in any tangible way. Indeed, in most cases brevity and conciseness should be striven for and not shunned.

for example, while your posts might actually be longer than the standard RWDT post, they're substantially much worse in content.
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Questarian New Yorkshire
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:39 pm

Italios wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:And of course they pick usually on people weaker than them. Weaker countries. Weaker people. Women. Minorities. Etc. Because then they can REALLY live out the punishment, because you can't punish someone for being better than you and they don't want to punish themselves for being better. They find the mirror of their own perceived inadequacies. Lots of Nazis were homosexuals, in the Waffen-SS there were even lots of crossdressers. We might even connect a fascist obsession with cleanliness and order with a Freudian anality. They are anally retentive in terms of racial hygiene and anally expulsive in terms of their idea of public politics.

The rest of fascist politics are just things that will help them stay in power. There's not much true ideology there. They co-opt whatever they need to ensure they win and they can carry out their program.

I hate fascism. On so many levels. For so many different reasons. We should squash them wherever and whenever they appear, forcefully.

Zizek basically had a similar albeit more, well, politically correct critique of fascism - basically that in order to properly form a class collaborationist state, you must assign all collective blame to a specific group, whether it be racial, ethnic, etc.
Everything Zizek writes is (obviously) tinged with Marxism, so exactly as you said, Marxists must find a politically-correct (in the Marxian sense) way of analysing fascism. And the reason I didnt want to push too far on the other points was that I was mostly thinking about fascists in the Anglo world rather than the fascist countries of the 1930s, but I think the ideas are more or less broadly the same

Fascism presented an enemy to unite behind (actually multiple) but it's curious how they presented the enemy, as something that was inferior and in need of punishment, rather than just an Anglo-French sense of "civilising mission." It wasn't - we're better than them because we made civilisation, it was - they're weak, dirty, brown, they need to be punished by our superior jackboots.

And ofc Fascism widely used sex and rape as an explicit political weapon as well. What a surprise.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:39 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
draw up a list of regulars, and order them by avg words per post


Wordiness does not make differentiate a shitposter from an effortposter, instead it would be the quality of the ideals conveyed and how well-argued. I could, for instance, say nothing in 1000 words in one post and yet make a compelling case with one to three sentences in another.

It's part of the reason why minimum word requirements for school are bullshit, the number of words does not correlate to the strength of the argument being made or help your case in any tangible way. Indeed, in most cases brevity and conciseness should be striven for and not shunned.

I just spent the last 4 years writing political philosophy and am looking into grad school to write political philosophy. If I want to shitpost on an australasian book-selling php-code forum, I will do so.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:39 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
For the Virgin Mary, though?

tbh mary was a thot

think about it

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Northern Davincia wrote:I saw her once at a Barnes & Noble and I was too afraid to approach, but I reckon she was Filipina. I never saw her again, but it left an impression.

Barnes & Noble of course being the slave traders, not the bookstore.

I would make a joke about purchasing the lass if that were the case, but that would be in poor taste, even for me.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:39 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
Sundiata wrote:They're so lovely. :)
we can go to a cheap entry edm club at 2am, maybe you will change your mind

It would be a difficult environment to spread the gospel but I certainly would try.
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Postby Auze » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:40 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I saw her once at a Barnes & Noble and I was too afraid to approach, but I reckon she was Filipina. I never saw her again, but it left an impression.

Barnes & Noble of course being the slave traders, not the bookstore.

Well that's a given
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:40 pm

Valrifell wrote:I could, for instance, say nothing in 1000 words in one post.
Try 25,000 posts
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REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:40 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Cisairse wrote:tbh mary was a thot

think about it

Please.


At least he hasn't brought up a certain Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera.

So far.
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Cisairse
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cisairse » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:40 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:who was like 14 at the time jesus was born, need i remind you

Speculation.

The Bible says nothing of her age at his birth.

The Bible also says nothing of Abraham Lincoln getting elected to the presidency, but that still happened.
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Postby Imperium Romanum Sanctis » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:41 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Imperium Romanum Sanctis wrote:
Nixon.

Not exactly the same circumstances, but it's similar.

He was VP to Ike, lost the 1960 presidential election to JFK, came back eight years later and won by a landslide.


That is a good counterexample, actually.


Thanks.

It's not 100% accurate since Nixon ran as a fully-fledged presidential candidate both times and was (at the time) more well-liked and respected than Hillary, but it does demonstrate how political comebacks are doable, even for former presidential candidates and vice presidents.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:41 pm

Italios wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Wordiness does not make differentiate a shitposter from an effortposter, instead it would be the quality of the ideals conveyed and how well-argued. I could, for instance, say nothing in 1000 words in one post and yet make a compelling case with one to three sentences in another.

It's part of the reason why minimum word requirements for school are bullshit, the number of words does not correlate to the strength of the argument being made or help your case in any tangible way. Indeed, in most cases brevity and conciseness should be striven for and not shunned.

for example, while your posts might actually be longer than the standard RWDT post, they're substantially much worse in content.


Well first off I don't think that's necessarily true, I don't post walls-of-texts or essays here because I don't do well in long-form prose. Particularly for non-fiction topics like arguing detailed politics (besides I'm not as well-read as the posters who do make such posts). They're probably shorter than average.

I don't know how much content, they lack, though. This recent spat? Sure, void of content. The other hundred+ posts in this thread? Depends. Some are with the flow of conversation and others give off a degree of effort in pure content and idea.
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Postby The Marlborough » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:42 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:Stranger things have happened.


Unless you can point to a case where a VP with a failed electoral record (I.E. lose their most-recent contest), then I don't see how that could be the case.

The history of Cambodia from the 1950's to 1990's is far, far stranger than something like that.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:42 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Wordiness does not make differentiate a shitposter from an effortposter, instead it would be the quality of the ideals conveyed and how well-argued. I could, for instance, say nothing in 1000 words in one post and yet make a compelling case with one to three sentences in another.

It's part of the reason why minimum word requirements for school are bullshit, the number of words does not correlate to the strength of the argument being made or help your case in any tangible way. Indeed, in most cases brevity and conciseness should be striven for and not shunned.

I just spent the last 4 years writing political philosophy and am looking into grad school to write political philosophy. If I want to shitpost on an australasian book-selling php-code forum, I will do so.


Did you feel like I was slamming you for shitposting? Nonsense, I do that all the time.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:42 pm

Nakena wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Please.


At least he hasn't brought up a certain Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera.

So far.

Ah, classic slander propagated by anti-Christians.
Cisairse wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Speculation.

The Bible says nothing of her age at his birth.

The Bible also says nothing of Abraham Lincoln getting elected to the presidency, but that still happened.

Which isn't how context reading works.
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Postby Auze » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:43 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Speculation.

The Bible says nothing of her age at his birth.

The Bible also says nothing of Abraham Lincoln getting elected to the presidency, but that still happened.

That's a nice non sequitur
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:43 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
Valrifell wrote:I could, for instance, say nothing in 1000 words in one post.
Try 25,000 posts


0/10 too obvious.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:43 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:Ah, classic slander propagated by anti-Christians.


Lets not talk about this one.
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Postby Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:44 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
Italios wrote:Zizek basically had a similar albeit more, well, politically correct critique of fascism - basically that in order to properly form a class collaborationist state, you must assign all collective blame to a specific group, whether it be racial, ethnic, etc.
Everything Zizek writes is (obviously) tinged with Marxism, so exactly as you said, Marxists must find a politically-correct (in the Marxian sense) way of analysing fascism. And the reason I didnt want to push too far on the other points was that I was mostly thinking about fascists in the Anglo world rather than the fascist countries of the 1930s, but I think the ideas are more or less broadly the same

Fascism presented an enemy to unite behind (actually multiple) but it's curious how they presented the enemy, as something that was inferior and in need of punishment, rather than just an Anglo-French sense of "civilising mission." It wasn't - we're better than them because we made civilisation, it was - they're weak, dirty, brown, they need to be punished by our superior jackboots.

And ofc Fascism widely used sex and rape as an explicit political weapon as well. What a surprise.

well, Zizek is a (schniff) funny guy. of course he's a marxist, but he goes against the grain a few ways. he could definitely be construed as a post marxist. I mean it's well known that the decolonization fellas - the Fannonists basically - really hate him, and related to that is his very outspoken on his critique of identity politics, which has wormed its way into popular marxism.

on your second part, I think a lot the reasoning the political enemy was viewed as something that needed to be crushed as opposed to colonized is because the conventional fascist threads - broadly liberalism, but specifically Jews - is because they actually lived in the western countries and had politically and financially active roles. brown savage living in Botswana or the great planes does not serve in parliament, control the treasury, etc. so the fascist would argue a very different kind of solution, however barbaric, is necessitated for a success class collaborationist nation.

again, this rolls right into Marxist narrative about diamet and the distractions the bourgeois provides the alienate the worker, but whatever.
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:44 pm

whats more likely, immaculate birth or mary just lied lmfao "uhhh no we never did anything i swear mum"

immaculate birth isn't even unique, its a normal mythology
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:44 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Unless you can point to a case where a VP with a failed electoral record (I.E. lose their most-recent contest), then I don't see how that could be the case.

The history of Cambodia from the 1950's to 1990's is far, far stranger than something like that.


Can't say I'm familiar outside of the Khmer Rouge and the Vietnamese occupation.

Though the Khmer Rouge getting support from the United States was pretty weird, come to think.
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby The Cazistan » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:45 pm

this thread changes topics more often than a 13 year old girl changes shirts

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Postby Auze » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:46 pm

The Cazistan wrote:this thread changes topics more often than a 13 year old girl changes shirts

This thread changes topics more often than France changed governments
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:46 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Sundiata wrote:They're so lovely. :)

Account of Hypatia of Alexandria from the Souda wrote:She brought some of her female rags and threw them before him, showing him the signs of her unclean origin, and said, "You love this, o youth, and there is nothing beautiful about it."

She was bright.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:46 pm

The Cazistan wrote:this thread changes topics more often than a 13 year old girl changes shirts

Whose counting?
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