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Which alcoholic beverage is the most right-wing?

Wine (Blood and Body?)
23
21%
Beer
22
21%
Vodka
6
6%
Mead
12
11%
Whiskey/Whisky
18
17%
Scotch (option included for Questers and old people)
9
8%
Rakı (option included specifically for Marches)
4
4%
Seltzers/Hard Ciders (because the Claw is the LAW)
5
5%
Gin
4
4%
Other (Rum/Brandy/Cognac/Tequila)
4
4%
 
Total votes : 107

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Postby Nakena » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:18 pm

Italios wrote:I don't browse any chan sites. i actually hate them and the shitty memespeak they managed to spread online, although i will begrudgingly admit that it wasn't entirely their fault, they prided themselves on being an internet backroom and then the randoms got on and made it mainstream. regardless, it was a mistake.


It's not really worth it tbh. And /pol/'s halycon are long over

By the time the book "Kill all Normies" was written they were already done for. Some of it has gone mainstream though.

Italios wrote:i think that's kind of a dumb take. whatever allegory zardoz is trying to tell, I think it's a good movie precisely because it's so kitsch and over the top. like i would suggest someone watch it to get an idea of the weird shit that was coming out of the film scene in its contemporary era. taxi driver, apocalypse now, fight club are all basic bitch movies, nothing more to say there. if they want to be cool and special they should just stick with French new wave (ie pierrot le fou) and the French stuff its impacted.


Mostly its the far-right back then having tried to build up a counter culture, which did for various reasons fail, most importantly was an internal war that raged from almost the days of trump victory. Specifically the ethno vs civic nationalist divide. The ethno side sort of won this, because they were ideologically more coherent. Then they destroyed themself at Charlottesville. Nobody wanted to be associated with them anymore. That was the end of the alt-right.

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Postby Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:18 pm

Joohan wrote:
Italios wrote:to echo questers, this is why the conservative fails every time, and will continue to fail every time in the future. they haven't yet figured out that encloaking their true beliefs to fit more comfortably in the shifting window of liberal politics forces the conservative to adapt to the liberal, not vice versa. take the recent statue debacle. americans amazingly managed to export their cultural discontent overseas, got angry brits to rip down winston churchill statues, and then the conservatives cried "nooo how could you do that he literally defeated hitler wah wah" like bro, just admit "no you can't do that, i like that statue because it furthers my belief system, and my belief system was be imperialist in the brown countries and wage war with the soviets and maybe defeat hitler on the side." it's pathetic.


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religion and online linguistic garble don't mix man.
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Italios wrote:to echo questers, this is why the conservative fails every time, and will continue to fail every time in the future. they haven't yet figured out that encloaking their true beliefs to fit more comfortably in the shifting window of liberal politics forces the conservative to adapt to the liberal, not vice versa. take the recent statue debacle. americans amazingly managed to export their cultural discontent overseas, got angry brits to rip down winston churchill statues, and then the conservatives cried "nooo how could you do that he literally defeated hitler wah wah" like bro, just admit "no you can't do that, i like that statue because it furthers my belief system, and my belief system was be imperialist in the brown countries and wage war with the soviets and maybe defeat hitler on the side." it's pathetic.


Yea its so good.

My FB blew up recently. Lots of normie type people saying Churchill is evil. Personally I don't care about Churchill. Actually I think he was a total loser.

But the counterpoint is good. Churchill defeated Nazis! And we all hate Nazis!

Most of the Conservative Party wanted nothing to do with WWII before it started. They thought it was an insane idea that would make Communism stronger. Even into 1940 most of them thought it was daft. They were going nuts because the British Purchasing Commission in New York was requisitioning British property in America and selling it to Americans to raise $ for cash and carry. NOoo you can't touch our private property etc. Then of course Hitler started touching them directly and they changed their mind. At the last minute. Like they usually do.

And Churchill famously was not a Tory. He was an Atlanticist. Probably would have been on your side in 1776.

But no. Conservatives can't have any position. They can't defend any position or anything that requires a spine. They couch every argument in the language of the people they're opposing in the hope they'll just go home and leave them to drink milk in peace. This is one of the reasons I can't stand conservatives.

yeah, i saw a screenshot of a viral tweet that was like "conservatives have been on the wrong side of history forever, (some point about gay marriage or BLM blah blah blah) - made by a liberal obviously. and it was fantastic because if you just forget about the truth values we personally assign to positions, like how good BLM or gay marriage actually is, it's precisely true, because they can barely keep power and when they do they just absolutely don't know what to do with it. like Obama managed to reinvigorate the democrats, shake up the Supreme Court, pass federal same-sex marriage legislation, pass Obamacare, etc. and trump hasn't done shit in four years.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:19 pm

Joohan wrote:
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Ask Dennis Prager why Israel has the most Red Army veterans outside of the former Soviet Union.


Just curious about something, are human rights among Palestinians? I know that between them and Israel it's terrible, but I'm curious how easy it is to be a Christian Palestinian - considering that there are three times as many Christians in Palestine as there are in Israel.


Palestinian Christians are treated just as bad as the Muslim ones.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:19 pm

Italios wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Islam is only affluent in the Middle East, Asia, and parts of Africa. Things which are not the West.

man, it must be permanently annoying for spaniards that everyone just forgot they existed after the encomienda system.


Are you making the big brained point that Spaniards, of all peoples, weren't extremely Catholic, but rather were primarily Islamic?
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Postby Joohan » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:23 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Joohan wrote:
Just curious about something, are human rights among Palestinians? I know that between them and Israel it's terrible, but I'm curious how easy it is to be a Christian Palestinian - considering that there are three times as many Christians in Palestine as there are in Israel.


Palestinian Christians are treated just as bad as the Muslim ones.


I meant, how are Christian Palestinians treated by their Muslim neighbors. Not the IDF.
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Postby Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:24 pm

Nakena wrote:
Italios wrote:I don't browse any chan sites. i actually hate them and the shitty memespeak they managed to spread online, although i will begrudgingly admit that it wasn't entirely their fault, they prided themselves on being an internet backroom and then the randoms got on and made it mainstream. regardless, it was a mistake.


It's not really worth it tbh. And /pol/'s halycon are long over

By the time the book "Kill all Normies" was written they were already done for. Some of it has gone mainstream though.

Italios wrote:i think that's kind of a dumb take. whatever allegory zardoz is trying to tell, I think it's a good movie precisely because it's so kitsch and over the top. like i would suggest someone watch it to get an idea of the weird shit that was coming out of the film scene in its contemporary era. taxi driver, apocalypse now, fight club are all basic bitch movies, nothing more to say there. if they want to be cool and special they should just stick with French new wave (ie pierrot le fou) and the French stuff its impacted.


Mostly its the far-right back then having tried to build up a counter culture, which did for various reasons fail, most importantly was an internal war that raged from almost the days of trump victory. Specifically the ethno vs civic nationalist divide. The ethno side sort of won this, because they were ideologically more coherent. Then they destroyed themself at Charlottesville. Nobody wanted to be associated with them anymore. That was the end of the alt-right.

I dont really have an interest in browsing chan sites, i consider myself pretty normal beyond little NS habit and keep my politics mostly on the down low except for a few close friends.

I concur on the alt-right point. they're in completely disarray because as I said, trump was supposed to be their shining halcyon political moment and he did jack shit. and right now amidst the beginnings of the twenty first century race war he's trying to get credibility because he lowered the black unemployment rate. the right is having their 2016 left moment, but they're even more fragile and fractured because far leftists can universally unite around anti-capitalist movement, but the right is still grappling over whether to keep capitalism.
Salus Maior wrote:
Italios wrote:man, it must be permanently annoying for spaniards that everyone just forgot they existed after the encomienda system.


Are you making the big brained point that Spaniards, of all peoples, weren't extremely Catholic, but rather were primarily Islamic?

im not saying the people are practicing muslims, but the Spanish ummayyads left a cultural impact on the country (just look at the architecture) and the spanish national consciousness was originally formed AROUND opposition to islam.
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Postby Imperium Romanum Sanctis » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:24 pm

Italios wrote:
Joohan wrote:
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to echo questers, this is why the conservative fails every time, and will continue to fail every time in the future. they haven't yet figured out that encloaking their true beliefs to fit more comfortably in the shifting window of liberal politics forces the conservative to adapt to the liberal, not vice versa. take the recent statue debacle. americans amazingly managed to export their cultural discontent overseas, got angry brits to rip down winston churchill statues, and then the conservatives cried "nooo how could you do that he literally defeated hitler wah wah" like bro, just admit "no you can't do that, i like that statue because it furthers my belief system, and my belief system was be imperialist in the brown countries and wage war with the soviets and maybe defeat hitler on the side." it's pathetic.


British conservatism is pretty much dead.

The old die-hard imperialism was cuckolded after Suez, and raped by rabid individualism after Thatcher. What's left is a pathetic blend of neoliberalism and nostalgia for past glory that's been co-opted by big business and partisanship.

A sad state of affairs for an ideology and nation that, just a century ago, ruled over 1/4th of the planet.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:25 pm

Joohan wrote:
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Palestinian Christians are treated just as bad as the Muslim ones.


I meant, how are Christian Palestinians treated by their Muslim neighbors. Not the IDF.


There are some small tensions here and there, but they mostly get along pretty well.
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Postby Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:28 pm

Imperium Romanum Sanctis wrote:
Italios wrote:to echo questers, this is why the conservative fails every time, and will continue to fail every time in the future. they haven't yet figured out that encloaking their true beliefs to fit more comfortably in the shifting window of liberal politics forces the conservative to adapt to the liberal, not vice versa. take the recent statue debacle. americans amazingly managed to export their cultural discontent overseas, got angry brits to rip down winston churchill statues, and then the conservatives cried "nooo how could you do that he literally defeated hitler wah wah" like bro, just admit "no you can't do that, i like that statue because it furthers my belief system, and my belief system was be imperialist in the brown countries and wage war with the soviets and maybe defeat hitler on the side." it's pathetic.


British conservatism is pretty much dead.

The old die-hard imperialism was cuckolded after Suez, and raped by rabid individualism after Thatcher. What's left is a pathetic blend of neoliberalism and nostalgia for past glory that's been co-opted by big business and partisanship.

A sad state of affairs for an ideology and nation that, just a century ago, ruled over 1/4th of the planet.

I mean you're not gonna get a lot of sympathy for me on the imperialism point. but the tory party is notoriously amazing at wrecking its own people.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:28 pm

Italios wrote:im not saying the people are practicing muslims, but the Spanish ummayyads left a cultural impact on the country (just look at the architecture) and the spanish national consciousness was originally formed AROUND opposition to islam.


Which is different than saying that Islam is affluent in their culture, which is what I was saying.

Islam isn't the driving religious force in the country, Catholicism is. Which is why they fought the Ummayyads.
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Postby Cisairse » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:29 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Do you deny that Abrahamism has had an outsize influence over Western culture since Roman times?

"outsize"

That implies it's influence is disproportionate, which is bizarre considering how important religion is to culture, and to politics as well.


Religious has had an unfortunately large role in culture and politics, yes.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:30 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Italios wrote:im not saying the people are practicing muslims, but the Spanish ummayyads left a cultural impact on the country (just look at the architecture) and the spanish national consciousness was originally formed AROUND opposition to islam.


Which is different than saying that Islam is affluent in their culture, which is what I was saying.

Islam isn't the driving religious force in the country, Catholicism is. Which is why they fought the Ummayyads.

Islam left a lot of cultural influence on Spain and on Catholicism in-general.
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Postby Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:31 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Italios wrote:im not saying the people are practicing muslims, but the Spanish ummayyads left a cultural impact on the country (just look at the architecture) and the spanish national consciousness was originally formed AROUND opposition to islam.


Which is different than saying that Islam is affluent in their culture, which is what I was saying.

Islam isn't the driving religious force in the country, Catholicism is. Which is why they fought the Ummayyads.

okay, if we drop the first bit in my post, the second point I was making is that the catholic spanish identity was formed as a reaction to islam, which means that islam played a major role in spanish history.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:34 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:"outsize"

That implies it's influence is disproportionate, which is bizarre considering how important religion is to culture, and to politics as well.


Religious has had an unfortunately large role in culture and politics, yes.

""unfortunately""
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Postby Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:36 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Religious has had an unfortunately large role in culture and politics, yes.

""unfortunately""

Cekoviu man i dont get you
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:38 pm

Italios wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Which is different than saying that Islam is affluent in their culture, which is what I was saying.

Islam isn't the driving religious force in the country, Catholicism is. Which is why they fought the Ummayyads.

okay, if we drop the first bit in my post, the second point I was making is that the catholic spanish identity was formed as a reaction to islam, which means that islam played a major role in spanish history.


Because of their Catholicism.
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Postby Imperium Romanum Sanctis » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:38 pm

Italios wrote:
Imperium Romanum Sanctis wrote:
British conservatism is pretty much dead.

The old die-hard imperialism was cuckolded after Suez, and raped by rabid individualism after Thatcher. What's left is a pathetic blend of neoliberalism and nostalgia for past glory that's been co-opted by big business and partisanship.

A sad state of affairs for an ideology and nation that, just a century ago, ruled over 1/4th of the planet.

I mean you're not gonna get a lot of sympathy for me on the imperialism point. but the tory party is notoriously amazing at wrecking its own people.


The British Conservative Party is paradoxical in so many ways it almost defies belief.

The self-proclaimed party of Empire was also the leading proponent of decolonization. They gave independence to Ireland, gutted British industry, have been milquetoast in their response to Scottish separatism and fought tooth and nail to prevent Britain from leaving the EU.

For a so-called "conservative" party, they don't seem very interested in conserving anything.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:39 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Italios wrote:okay, if we drop the first bit in my post, the second point I was making is that the catholic spanish identity was formed as a reaction to islam, which means that islam played a major role in spanish history.


Because of their Catholicism.

Islam played a major role in Spanish history because Spain was Islamic for hundreds of years.
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Postby Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:41 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Italios wrote:okay, if we drop the first bit in my post, the second point I was making is that the catholic spanish identity was formed as a reaction to islam, which means that islam played a major role in spanish history.


Because of their Catholicism.

that literally makes no fucking sense and is no way a reply to what I said, I'm going to end this here because we all deserve some peace and quiet on Sunday night, also because we have no spaniards here anyways.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:45 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Because of their Catholicism.

Islam played a major role in Spanish history because Spain was Islamic for hundreds of years.


Spain was never Islamic. Because Spain is the union of Catholic Iberian kingdoms which overcame Al-Andalus, and subsequently religiously cleansed the Andalusian Islamic influence in the country.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:46 pm

Italios wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:""unfortunately""

Cekoviu man i dont get you

>man
wow ur not kidding
and i don't get me either so you're in good company :^)
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:47 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Italios wrote:Cekoviu man i dont get you

>man


fuck i was gonna comment that
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:47 pm

Italios wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:""unfortunately""

Cekoviu man i dont get you


She's a shitposter, I don't see what's so hard to get tbh
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Postby The Marlborough » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:48 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Because of their Catholicism.

Islam played a major role in Spanish history because Spain was Islamic for hundreds of years.

Al-Andalus is not part of Spain. Geographically both were/are located in Iberia, but one is not the other.
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Postby Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:48 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Italios wrote:Cekoviu man i dont get you

>man
wow ur not kidding
and i don't get me either so you're in good company :^)

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Cekoviu wrote:>man


fuck i was gonna comment that

I meant as in "Cekoviu, [exasperated word] i dont get you"
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Italios wrote:Cekoviu man i dont get you


She's a shitposter, I don't see what's so hard to get tbh

sorry who are you?
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