RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[New Visayan Islands]

Based and redpilled. I wasn't born into Christianity per se but I was raised around Christians and picked it up before leaving the faith eventually.

It was hard to escape Catholicism where I was raised. I don't have any animosity toward the Church but I struggle to comprehend why some members of my family consider it so interconnected with our identity when Catholicism has been only so much pain and suffering for Poland.

My guess is because your kin have had bad memories of the Totalitarian Twins and turned to the Church to weather the jackboots...just as people turn to God (as a representation of the religion of the locale in question) in times as trying as say, the Bad Old Days of the Cold War.

[Northern Davincia]

I suppose Hellenism can be an umbrella term for the faith of Greeks, Romans, Carthaginians, and Trojans.

Heh heh, Trojans.

The way that Abrahamism is an umbrella term for Judaism, Christianity, and Islam?

Yes.

It was hard to escape Catholicism where I was raised. I don't have any animosity toward the Church but I struggle to comprehend why some members of my family consider it so interconnected with our identity when Catholicism has been only so much pain and suffering for Poland.

I assume it’s because Poland and Catholicism are deeply intertwined with one another, and trying to understand Poland without Catholicism is like eating pizza without cheese.
Possible. But stupid.

Based Poland has a spot in my heart for that reason.

[Kowani]

I assume it’s because Poland and Catholicism are deeply intertwined with one another, and trying to understand Poland without Catholicism is like eating pizza without cheese.
Possible. But stupid.

On the other hand, removing the marinara sauce from pizza to make a margherita pizza makes it much better -- one could argue that Catholicism is the tomato sauce of Poland rather than the cheese.

The fuck is wrong with your taste buds lmao

[South Odreria 2]

Also, I wonder what you would think if someone said “tell that to the muslims” or “tell that to the Jews.”

I'd probably chuckle.

Fair.

[New Visayan Islands]

It was hard to escape Catholicism where I was raised. I don't have any animosity toward the Church but I struggle to comprehend why some members of my family consider it so interconnected with our identity when Catholicism has been only so much pain and suffering for Poland.

I assume it’s because Poland and Catholicism are deeply intertwined with one another, and trying to understand Poland without Catholicism is like eating pizza without cheese.
Possible. But stupid.

I wonder what the culinary equivalent of modern Russia sans Orthodoxy would be...?

[Bienenhalde]

I'm an ex-Mormon whose parents were both Mormon, so I'm maybe not the best person to be saying that to?

My maternal grandparents were Mormon, and now I am but a humble papist.
This is an improvement in my book.

Indeed. Though not as good as being Lutheran or Anglican. :^)

[South Odreria 2]

Every so often a lefty rag tries to discredit modern paganism by linking it to “eco-fascism,” but they only seem to make eco fascism sound good. Like, yes, the connection between physical land and the people who live on it should be a sacred thing.

[Northern Davincia]

My maternal grandparents were Mormon, and now I am but a humble papist.
This is an improvement in my book.

Indeed. Though not as good as being Lutheran or Anglican. :^)

Another step and I label all Protestants as low-church, good sir.

[Bienenhalde]

Who would not want to worship Perun or Devana though?

The only fun pagan religions are Hellenism and Egyptian. The rest are not worth touching.

Chinese folk religion and Shinto are kind of cool too, but I am not sure if you would count them as pagan.

[Kowani]

I assume it’s because Poland and Catholicism are deeply intertwined with one another, and trying to understand Poland without Catholicism is like eating pizza without cheese.
Possible. But stupid.

I wonder what the culinary equivalent of modern Russia sans Orthodoxy would be...?

Borsch but with flavor.

[Bienenhalde]

It was hard to escape Catholicism where I was raised. I don't have any animosity toward the Church but I struggle to comprehend why some members of my family consider it so interconnected with our identity when Catholicism has been only so much pain and suffering for Poland.

I am not sure what you mean. Whatever problems Catholicism has caused, it hasn't it provided moral guidance and spiritual solace, and inspired art, music, and literature? Whereas before the introduction of Catholicism the Poles were illiterate barbarians. Of course, I am disappointed that they did not adopt the Reformation, but that is a whole other issue.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Borsch but with flavor.

Have you ever been to an Orthodox service, or even to an Orthodox church? I can tell you now, that Russia without Orthodoxy would and was a much duller place.

[Northern Davincia]

The only fun pagan religions are Hellenism and Egyptian. The rest are not worth touching.

Chinese folk religion and Shinto are kind of cool too, but I am not sure if you would count them as pagan.

Shinto is uber pagan, but I am unfamiliar with Chinese folk religion.

[Kowani]

Borsch but with flavor.

Have you ever been to an Orthodox service, or even to an Orthodox church? I can tell you now, that Russia without Orthodoxy would and was a much duller place.

That’s what the “:p” was for, to indicate lack of seriousness-

[Bienenhalde]

Indeed. Though not as good as being Lutheran or Anglican. :^)

Another step and I label all Protestants as low-church, good sir.

The good news is that the Roman Church is a valid branch of post-schism Christianity and not a heretic sect like the Mormons. Your church is just wrong about being the only true Christian Church and the infallibility of the pope. Of course I have other disagreements, but I think those two things are the most fundamental.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

That’s what the “:p” was for, to indicate lack of seriousness-

To paraphrase, consider using the concept "it's funny because it's true" in your humour.

Especially since that was a double fail. I mean really, implying borscht doesn't have flavour.

[Lucja]

It was hard to escape Catholicism where I was raised. I don't have any animosity toward the Church but I struggle to comprehend why some members of my family consider it so interconnected with our identity when Catholicism has been only so much pain and suffering for Poland.

I assume it’s because Poland and Catholicism are deeply intertwined with one another, and trying to understand Poland without Catholicism is like eating pizza without cheese.
Possible. But stupid.

There are Jewish Poles, Orthodox Poles, Protestant Poles who manage to be Polish and not Catholic just fine. The idea that Poland = Catholicism is a harmful one and more are becoming aware of how disadvantageous it is to attach ourselves to the Catholic Church so much.

[Northern Davincia]

I assume it’s because Poland and Catholicism are deeply intertwined with one another, and trying to understand Poland without Catholicism is like eating pizza without cheese.
Possible. But stupid.

There are Jewish Poles, Orthodox Poles, Protestant Poles who manage to be Polish and not Catholic just fine. The idea that Poland = Catholicism is a harmful one and more are becoming aware of how disadvantageous it is to attach ourselves to the Catholic Church so much.

I think the greater lesson is that Poland should attach itself to the Vatican even more, possibly as a protectorate.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

There are Jewish Poles, Orthodox Poles, Protestant Poles who manage to be Polish and not Catholic just fine. The idea that Poland = Catholicism is a harmful one and more are becoming aware of how disadvantageous it is to attach ourselves to the Catholic Church so much.

The Polish nation was defined by Catholicism in much the same Russia was defined by Orthodoxy. Before conversion, Poland as we know it simply did not exist. Its development and Catholicism are inseparably linked.

[Kowani]

I assume it’s because Poland and Catholicism are deeply intertwined with one another, and trying to understand Poland without Catholicism is like eating pizza without cheese.
Possible. But stupid.

There are Jewish Poles, Orthodox Poles, Protestant Poles who manage to be Polish and not Catholic just fine. The idea that Poland = Catholicism is a harmful one and more are becoming aware of how disadvantageous it is to attach ourselves to the Catholic Church so much.

I’m not saying that one needs to be Catholic to be Polish-I don’t actually care. But Catholicism is intertwined with Polish culture and Polish history, and while I am no historian of Poland, I know enough to where I can recognize that it’s a fundamental part.

[Bienenhalde]

Every so often a lefty rag tries to discredit modern paganism by linking it to “eco-fascism,” but they only seem to make eco fascism sound good. Like, yes, the connection between physical land and the people who live on it should be a sacred thing.

Well, to be fair, there is a subculture of neopagans associated with racist and white nationalist views. Particularly in the case of Nazis and Neo-Nazis adopting a form of Germanic neopaganism. But there is nothing wrong with feeling a sacred connection to the environment or even supporting authoritarian measures to protect it from selfish human greed.

[Bienenhalde]

I assume it’s because Poland and Catholicism are deeply intertwined with one another, and trying to understand Poland without Catholicism is like eating pizza without cheese.
Possible. But stupid.

There are Jewish Poles, Orthodox Poles, Protestant Poles who manage to be Polish and not Catholic just fine. The idea that Poland = Catholicism is a harmful one and more are becoming aware of how disadvantageous it is to attach ourselves to the Catholic Church so much.

Sure I can agree with that, even if I don't see why Slavic paganism is any better. Indeed I would be pleased to see more Polish Lutherans. I was raised in a German-American Anabaptist family but converted to Lutheranism. But as much as I love my German heritage and the Lutheran Church I can admit that German Lutherans made a mistake by trying to impose German culture on the Poles. If the Poles did not see Lutheranism as the religion of a foreign oppressor who disrespected their cultural traditions perhaps they would have been more willing to adopt the Reformation.

[Salus Maior]

Based and redpilled. I wasn't born into Christianity per se but I was raised around Christians and picked it up before leaving the faith eventually.

It was hard to escape Catholicism where I was raised. I don't have any animosity toward the Church but I struggle to comprehend why some members of my family consider it so interconnected with our identity when Catholicism has been only so much pain and suffering for Poland.

I highly doubt that Catholicism is only pain and suffering for Poland. In fact, I know that isn't the case. Hell, I've never heard of any time that Catholicism was harmful to Poland.

Unless you're just a liberal who thinks that Catholic tradition is just bad in and of itself.

I was born a Catholic and became a pagan.

Which is even better.

Oh, that's why.

Who would not want to worship Perun or Devana though?

Most Poles in history so long as Poland has actually existed as a concept.

[Bienenhalde]

Chinese folk religion and Shinto are kind of cool too, but I am not sure if you would count them as pagan.

Shinto is uber pagan, but I am unfamiliar with Chinese folk religion.

Some people say the term pagan should only be applied to European and Middle Eastern traditions that were historically displaced by Abrahamic monotheism. But if Shinto counts as pagan, I certainly would say that what is known as "Chinese Folk Religion" or "Shenism" is pagan as well.

[Washington Resistance Army]

If we're using "pagan" as a term to mean polytheistic non-Abrahamic faiths then yeah Chinese folk religion counts for sure.