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Which alcoholic beverage is the most right-wing?

Wine (Blood and Body?)
23
21%
Beer
22
21%
Vodka
6
6%
Mead
12
11%
Whiskey/Whisky
18
17%
Scotch (option included for Questers and old people)
9
8%
Rakı (option included specifically for Marches)
4
4%
Seltzers/Hard Ciders (because the Claw is the LAW)
5
5%
Gin
4
4%
Other (Rum/Brandy/Cognac/Tequila)
4
4%
 
Total votes : 107

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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:25 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Publishing an op-ed by a sitting senator calling for what the majority of Americans at the time wanted is not "a truly colossal fuckup".

publishing an op-ed calling for the state to murder peaceful demonstrators in the streets is indeed a colossal fuckup, and I've yet to see literally any evidence indicating that it's anything close to what the majority of Americans believe or want, then or now

The op-ed in question called for Trump to invoke the insurrection act to use the military as law enforcement against violent demonstrators(and at the time the protests were significantly more violent than they are now).
Not "the state should murder peaceful protestors in the streets".
and regardless it is not a """takeover""" of the entire paper lol

This is the only true statement in your post.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/52-amer ... d=71097167 Here's a source that invoking the insurrection act against violent protestors is polling above 50%.
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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:25 pm

Cekoviu wrote:>democratic "socialist"
>real SJW
pick one

They're the same people.

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Questarian New Yorkshire
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:27 pm

Senkaku wrote:it's a very different power from the sinister cabal Questers seems to think is launching an Illuminati-level takeover of the entire Western world
nobody implied it was a conspiracy or a tiny group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_action
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:28 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:>democratic "socialist"
>real SJW
pick one

They're the same people.

>Implying SJW's have any ideological consistency beyond "white man bad, family bad".
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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:30 pm

Diopolis wrote:>Implying SJW's have any ideological consistency beyond "white man bad, family bad".

Democratic socialists just add "capitalism bad". The time of leftist thinkers and revolutionaries over. Make way for kids who decry electoralism but really know that's their only choice.

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:30 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:They're the same people.

>Implying SJW's have any ideological consistency beyond "white man bad, family bad".

but both of those things are true :thinking:
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:32 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Diopolis wrote:>Implying SJW's have any ideological consistency beyond "white man bad, family bad".

Democratic socialists just add "capitalism bad". The time of leftist thinkers and revolutionaries over. Make way for kids who decry electoralism but really know that's their only choice.

A lot of SJW's seem really onboard with the capitalist parts of the techno-dystopia.
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Questarian New Yorkshire
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:36 pm

subscribe to the healthcare plan, but it's rainbow coloured
REST IN PEACE RWDT & LWDT
I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:38 pm

Diopolis wrote:A lot of SJW's seem really onboard with the capitalist parts of the techno-dystopia.

SJWs can roll their eyes at cynical attempts by companies to appeal to progs and vigorously applaud corporate-enforced diversity while consooming next product.

Capitalism has become so ingrained into our society, that overthrowing it has become mere chatter and occasional outdoor larp.

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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:38 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:subscribe to the healthcare plan, but it's rainbow coloured

Eww, no. I'll stick with whiskey and herbalism then.
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The Reformed American Republic
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:43 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Not even close. I'm sure if you asked any one of them, they would say the U.S. is an empire founded on slavery. That's what many in the BLM movement say here. You are having a problem with anti-western actors in your country, and you are claiming they are U.S. puppets. They're not, don't let your anti-Americanism cloud your judgement.

Many probably also oppose U.S. "imperialism" as well. BLM is hardly red, white, and blue.
Sure, you might think you are a US loyalist, but they just see you as a white loyalist.

The US is the headquarters of the Universal Moral Authority. BLM is one of its Vanguardist institutions. The Universal Moral Authority commands the loyalty of people inside the United States, people inside Britain, France, Sweden, India, Hong Kong, Australia, Korea, even China and Russia to an extent.

The fifth column in these countries wants US annexation only if the US is ruled by the Universal Moral Authority, because they want to be ruled by the Universal Moral Authority and the Universal Moral Authority is headquartered in the United States. That's why they are so adamant and so interested in change in the US because they want the Universal Moral Authority to launch a (victorious) coup d'etat in the United States so it can proceed to annex everyone else.

This is your problem. You have to sort it out. I'm not anti-American, I'm anti- the Universal Moral Authority. Unfortunately it has infected a lot of normal Americans.

Oh, I see. Anyway, I think we here in America need to get some anti-globalists and anti-war politicians elected. While I'm not an isolationist, we are too interventionist.
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:53 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Diopolis wrote:A lot of SJW's seem really onboard with the capitalist parts of the techno-dystopia.

SJWs can roll their eyes at cynical attempts by companies to appeal to progs and vigorously applaud corporate-enforced diversity while consooming next product.

Capitalism has become so ingrained into our society, that overthrowing it has become mere chatter and occasional outdoor larp.

I haven't noticed much eyerolling except in proportion to general tone-deafness of the cynical attempts. They seemed pretty into the nike ads with that subpar football player, or the Gillette campaign.
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Italios
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Postby Italios » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:58 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Diopolis wrote:A lot of SJW's seem really onboard with the capitalist parts of the techno-dystopia.

Capitalism has become so ingrained into our society, that overthrowing it has become mere chatter and occasional outdoor larp.

this is a clear manifestation of Hegel's master-slave dialectic in the material world. the slave (the bugman, the average Joe) realizes that the master (the congressman, the wall street exec, the airheaded celeb) is dependent on them for their labor, which is really the only thing they have because it is self-actualizing. having come to full consciousness, the slave demands an existence equal to that of the master, through anti-capitalist, quasi-leftist rhetoric. yet, the fatal flaw in this rhetoric is that instead of turning away from the master and towards the object, the slave turns away from the object and to the master in its stead. the average radlib doesn't even want to see the demise of capitalism, they want more minority CEOs, free healthcare and mandatory micro-aggression classes for all.

thank you rwdt for putting the Dialectics in Motion
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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:58 pm

Diopolis wrote:I haven't noticed much eyerolling except in proportion to general tone-deafness of the cynical attempts. They seemed pretty into the nike ads with that subpar football player, or the Gillette campaign.

The nike ad appealed to Black liberals, the Gilette ad appealed to feminist liberals. Neither of which are inherently anti-capitalist. The former I don't view as SJWs, but since the latter are, I guess it's fair to say SJWs and demsocs aren't quite the same, even if they inhabit the same political area.

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:09 pm

Italios wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Capitalism has become so ingrained into our society, that overthrowing it has become mere chatter and occasional outdoor larp.

this is a clear manifestation of Hegel's master-slave dialectic in the material world. the slave (the bugman, the average Joe) realizes that the master (the congressman, the wall street exec, the airheaded celeb) is dependent on them for their labor, which is really the only thing they have because it is self-actualizing. having come to full consciousness, the slave demands an existence equal to that of the master, through anti-capitalist, quasi-leftist rhetoric. yet, the fatal flaw in this rhetoric is that instead of turning away from the master and towards the object, the slave turns away from the object and to the master in its stead. the average radlib doesn't even want to see the demise of capitalism, they want more minority CEOs, free healthcare and mandatory micro-aggression classes for all.

thank you rwdt for putting the Dialectics in Motion

I was listening to NPR today and they did exactly this. Literally "use banks owned by black people to solve racism." It's idiotic.
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Bienenhalde
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:24 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Publishing an op-ed by a sitting senator calling for what the majority of Americans at the time wanted is not "a truly colossal fuckup".

publishing an op-ed calling for the state to murder peaceful demonstrators in the streets is indeed a colossal fuckup, and I've yet to see literally any evidence indicating that it's anything close to what the majority of Americans believe or want, then or now

and regardless it is not a """takeover""" of the entire paper lol


Where do you have evidence he advocated using force against peaceful protestors? There are plenty of violent rioters out there, so it is perfectly reasonable and legal to use force against them. And some of them might end up getting killed, but if they provoked violent confrontation in the first place, why should I feel sorry for them?

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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:48 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Italios wrote:this is a clear manifestation of Hegel's master-slave dialectic in the material world. the slave (the bugman, the average Joe) realizes that the master (the congressman, the wall street exec, the airheaded celeb) is dependent on them for their labor, which is really the only thing they have because it is self-actualizing. having come to full consciousness, the slave demands an existence equal to that of the master, through anti-capitalist, quasi-leftist rhetoric. yet, the fatal flaw in this rhetoric is that instead of turning away from the master and towards the object, the slave turns away from the object and to the master in its stead. the average radlib doesn't even want to see the demise of capitalism, they want more minority CEOs, free healthcare and mandatory micro-aggression classes for all.

thank you rwdt for putting the Dialectics in Motion

I was listening to NPR today and they did exactly this. Literally "use banks owned by black people to solve racism." It's idiotic.

>Implying the challenges faced by the coloured population are predominately due to racism.
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Italios
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Postby Italios » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:53 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I was listening to NPR today and they did exactly this. Literally "use banks owned by black people to solve racism." It's idiotic.

>Implying the challenges faced by the coloured population are predominately due to racism.

woah look at you with your little cool guy meme arrows! you are so frickin cool and dare i say, based
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:55 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I was listening to NPR today and they did exactly this. Literally "use banks owned by black people to solve racism." It's idiotic.

>Implying the challenges faced by the coloured population are predominately due to racism.

>using a capital letter following a meme arrow
you should stick to minion memes boomer :/
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:56 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Diopolis wrote:>Implying the challenges faced by the coloured population are predominately due to racism.

>using a capital letter following a meme arrow
you should stick to minion memes boomer :/

I was bitten by a boomer dad. It's not my fault- by the time I realized it I was already reading Tom Clancy novels without being stuck in an airport and wearing crocs.
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Dylar
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Postby Dylar » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:59 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:>using a capital letter following a meme arrow
you should stick to minion memes boomer :/

I was bitten by a boomer dad. It's not my fault- by the time I realized it I was already reading Tom Clancy novels without being stuck in an airport and wearing crocs.

>crocs
What is this, 2004?
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:02 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:>using a capital letter following a meme arrow
you should stick to minion memes boomer :/

I was bitten by a boomer dad. It's not my fault- by the time I realized it I was already reading Tom Clancy novels without being stuck in an airport and wearing crocs.

my deepest condolences
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Fahran
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:38 pm

Senkaku wrote:if the american left/progressive liberal wing had half the coordination or degree of influence questers and other ppl here seem to think I'm pretty sure it would be a lot more noticeable lol

This was one of my issues with the basic argument that was made. It's a paradigm more so than anything else - a paradigm whose loose adherents wield a substantial degree of institutional power but nothing akin to an organization.

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Bear Stearns
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:47 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Senkaku wrote:if the american left/progressive liberal wing had half the coordination or degree of influence questers and other ppl here seem to think I'm pretty sure it would be a lot more noticeable lol


They nearly toppled the policing structures of the US and just had an internal takeover the NYT. My boy, that is power.


Does everyone forget that the "Democracy dies in Darkness" Washington Post is owned by a deranged robber baron...
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Fahran
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:50 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Does everyone forget that the "Democracy dies in Darkness" Washington Post is owned by a deranged robber baron...

Isn't that like half of our notable companies at this point?

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