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Which alcoholic beverage is the most right-wing?

Wine (Blood and Body?)
23
21%
Beer
22
21%
Vodka
6
6%
Mead
12
11%
Whiskey/Whisky
18
17%
Scotch (option included for Questers and old people)
9
8%
Rakı (option included specifically for Marches)
4
4%
Seltzers/Hard Ciders (because the Claw is the LAW)
5
5%
Gin
4
4%
Other (Rum/Brandy/Cognac/Tequila)
4
4%
 
Total votes : 107

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:34 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Even from that perspective the ultranats are a threat, they do not want a reasonable balance of power,


Are they actually serious about Russia conquering Europe all the way to Portugal? Not even the Nazis envisioned conquering the entirety of Europe.

Novus America wrote:they have delusions of grandeur and crazy Manichean ideas of world war and such.


You are thinking of American neocons

Novus America wrote:And would almost certainly start major wars in power, before going down in flames.


I advocate for a non-interventionist America, and I certainly would not start World War III over Belarus, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan (I'm assuming that's who they'd mostly likely target).

Novus America wrote:We already have a bipolar world anyways. Russia is not going to be one of the superpowers though, not with its small population and laughable economy.


Not quite yet. Global economic activity is still overwhelmingly dominated by the United States, especially the settling of transactions.


Some probably are serious about trying it, ultranats are not usually sane on their goals. The Russian ultranats are often like US Neocons on PCP.
Noninterventionism is not viable given our ties to the global economy, and many Russian ultranats want revenge on us, their ambitions will not stop with just a few neighbors (which would set a very bad precedent and cause havoc to the global economy).

On the last that is not the point, sure the US has the more significant economy for now, but we did during the 80s too. In a bipolar world both powers are not perfectly balanced in all things, but rather simply far ahead everyone else.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Fahran » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:18 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:This is a bit ironic considering the Davidic line descended from a shepherd.

And Saul's family kept donkeys.

With regard to a multipolar world, we might well speed towards one if India continues to develop economically, Russia continues to flex its muscles in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and Europe begins to realize we're not going to serve as hegemon and protector indefinitely. At the moment, we're a bipolar world - with China as the other pole.
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Joohan
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Postby Joohan » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:34 pm

Fahran wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:This is a bit ironic considering the Davidic line descended from a shepherd.

And Saul's family kept donkeys.

With regard to a multipolar world, we might well speed towards one if India continues to develop economically, Russia continues to flex its muscles in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and Europe begins to realize we're not going to serve as hegemon and protector indefinitely. At the moment, we're a bipolar world - with China as the other pole.


Lusophonic empire when?
If you need a witness look to yourself

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism!


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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:41 pm

Kowani wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:
Image

Could you not find an ancap ball that looked like it came out of an early PS2 game?

My nostalgia for the PS2 era proved too strong.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:42 pm

Joohan wrote:Lusophonic empire when?

When the Brazilian government doesn't suck?

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North German Realm
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Postby North German Realm » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:44 pm

Fahran wrote:
Joohan wrote:Lusophonic empire when?

When the Brazilian government doesn't suck?

1888?
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:49 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Fahran wrote:When the Brazilian government doesn't suck?

1888?

#takemeback
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:11 pm

Joohan wrote:
Fahran wrote:And Saul's family kept donkeys.

With regard to a multipolar world, we might well speed towards one if India continues to develop economically, Russia continues to flex its muscles in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and Europe begins to realize we're not going to serve as hegemon and protector indefinitely. At the moment, we're a bipolar world - with China as the other pole.


Lusophonic empire when?

*Ketophonic empire when?
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Joohan
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Postby Joohan » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:15 pm

Fahran wrote:
Joohan wrote:Lusophonic empire when?

When the Brazilian government doesn't suck?


Image
If you need a witness look to yourself

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism!


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Joohan
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Postby Joohan » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:17 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Joohan wrote:
Lusophonic empire when?

*Ketophonic empire when?


Ketamine isn't a language Cek. Stop trying to make us degenerates
If you need a witness look to yourself

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism!


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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:19 pm

Fahran wrote:
Joohan wrote:Lusophonic empire when?

When the Brazilian government doesn't suck?

How much more Bolsonaro is required?
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Postby Fahran » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:21 pm

Diopolis wrote:How much more Bolsonaro is required?

Bolsonaro is pretty meh as well in all honesty. He won by promising Brazilians order and justice, but he's proven rather incompetent in general.

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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:33 pm

Joohan wrote:
Fahran wrote:When the Brazilian government doesn't suck?


Image

Fuck yes comrade
Fahran wrote:
Diopolis wrote:How much more Bolsonaro is required?

Bolsonaro is pretty meh as well in all honesty. He won by promising Brazilians order and justice, but he's proven rather incompetent in general.

Understatement of the year award.
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Questarian New Yorkshire
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:57 pm

Re monarchy and Russians.

Everyone hates monarchy when it's not around. Nobody goes oh, I wish we had a monarchy. People who do are normally a tiny minority of people with obviously heterodox views and perhaps even personalities. True in all republics.

But when the Monarch returns at the head of an army to restore public and social order and sweep the land of its enemies, you won't find many republicans around.

If Putin gets in big trouble and Russia starts collapsing, all it takes is the return of any person linked in some way to the Romanovs who has a little charisma and giant testes, and suddenly Russians again will become monarchists, and monarchists will rise out of the corners of the country waving their "we was secret monarchists all along, God Save the Tsar" flags.
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There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
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I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:01 pm

Fahran wrote:
Diopolis wrote:How much more Bolsonaro is required?

Bolsonaro is pretty meh as well in all honesty. He won by promising Brazilians order and justice, but he's proven rather incompetent in general.

What about if the Brazilian emperors return?
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The Archbishopric of York
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Postby The Archbishopric of York » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:09 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Fahran wrote:Bolsonaro is pretty meh as well in all honesty. He won by promising Brazilians order and justice, but he's proven rather incompetent in general.

What about if the Brazilian emperors return?

In principle I would support the restoration of the Brazilian monarchy, but the current pretenders to the throne both leave much to be desired. Unless you can somehow clone D. Pedro II, I'd call that a non-starter.
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:10 pm

The Archbishopric of York wrote:
Diopolis wrote:What about if the Brazilian emperors return?

In principle I would support the restoration of the Brazilian monarchy, but the current pretenders to the throne both leave much to be desired. Unless you can somehow clone Dm. Pedro II, I'd call that a non-starter.

The current pretender is a recluse who speaks only through his heir, Prince Luis.
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The Archbishopric of York
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Postby The Archbishopric of York » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:21 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Archbishopric of York wrote:In principle I would support the restoration of the Brazilian monarchy, but the current pretenders to the throne both leave much to be desired. Unless you can somehow clone Dm. Pedro II, I'd call that a non-starter.

The current pretender is a recluse who speaks only through his heir, Prince Luis.

There are two current claimants to the headship of the House of Orléans-Braganza and the Brazilian throne. The head of the Vassouras branch is Prince Luiz, who along with his younger brother and heir presumptive Prince Bertrand is associated with far-right traditionalist Catholic political circles and has associated himself with the wannabe dictator Bolsonaro. The head of the Petrópolis branch, Prince Pedro Carlos, is apparently a republican. So you have one candidate who is associated with a highly controversial politician and holds outspoken views that are unacceptable to a significant proportion of the Brazilian population, and another one who likely wouldn't accept the crown even if he were offered it. Not exactly a great choice.
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:23 pm

The Archbishopric of York wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The current pretender is a recluse who speaks only through his heir, Prince Luis.

There are two current claimants to the headship of the House of Orléans-Braganza and the Brazilian throne. The head of the Vassouras branch is Prince Luiz, who along with his younger brother and heir presumptive Prince Bertrand is associated with far-right traditionalist Catholic political circles and has associated himself with the wannabe dictator Bolsonaro. The head of the Petrópolis branch, Prince Pedro Carlos, is apparently a republican. So you have one candidate who is associated with a highly controversial politician and holds outspoken views that are unacceptable to a significant proportion of the Brazilian population, and another one who likely wouldn't accept the crown even if he were offered it. Not exactly a great choice.

>Discussing monarchy
>"muh popular policies"
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The Archbishopric of York
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Postby The Archbishopric of York » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:33 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Archbishopric of York wrote:There are two current claimants to the headship of the House of Orléans-Braganza and the Brazilian throne. The head of the Vassouras branch is Prince Luiz, who along with his younger brother and heir presumptive Prince Bertrand is associated with far-right traditionalist Catholic political circles and has associated himself with the wannabe dictator Bolsonaro. The head of the Petrópolis branch, Prince Pedro Carlos, is apparently a republican. So you have one candidate who is associated with a highly controversial politician and holds outspoken views that are unacceptable to a significant proportion of the Brazilian population, and another one who likely wouldn't accept the crown even if he were offered it. Not exactly a great choice.

>Discussing monarchy
>"muh popular policies"

You are not going to achieve a lasting restoration if you can't appeal to a broader swathe of the Brazilian public than just ultra-conservative Catholics, and though I know it may be hard for you to grasp you are one of only a tiny minority of people across the world who are desperate to live under the Roman Catholic equivalent of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Furthermore, the Brazilian Empire was and if restored would probably be a constitutional monarchy, and a constitutional monarch should be perceived as non-partisan.

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:41 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Archbishopric of York wrote:There are two current claimants to the headship of the House of Orléans-Braganza and the Brazilian throne. The head of the Vassouras branch is Prince Luiz, who along with his younger brother and heir presumptive Prince Bertrand is associated with far-right traditionalist Catholic political circles and has associated himself with the wannabe dictator Bolsonaro. The head of the Petrópolis branch, Prince Pedro Carlos, is apparently a republican. So you have one candidate who is associated with a highly controversial politician and holds outspoken views that are unacceptable to a significant proportion of the Brazilian population, and another one who likely wouldn't accept the crown even if he were offered it. Not exactly a great choice.

>Discussing monarchy
>"muh popular policies"


Muh popular policies are what really matters regarding actually getting things done.
What is your objective? To simply bitch and complain about how much everything sucks?
Or actually want to see your goals implemented?

Without popular support there is no realistic way a monarchy gets reinstated in Brazil. It is really that simple.

As said before legitimacy is really only whatever people believe it is. If not enough people believe in the legitimacy of a monarch, that monarch will not last long.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:20 pm

I do not understand the major bitching from Germany that we might be moving some more troops out. Clinton, Bush and Obama all pulled some troops from Germany.
It is pure partisanship. There is no logical reason or military justification for maintaining ground forces in Germany. Really pretty much everything but the medical center and the airbase should be closed down, and and troops not supporting those two facilities withdrawn. Only air and air support, medical, some communication and logistics etc. are needed. Not ground forces.

If Russian ground forces some how reach West Germany then Europe is already completely screwed. Ground forces in West Germany are completely useless to deter Russia or anyone else.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Questarian New Yorkshire
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:20 pm

US riots spread to Britain. So thank you for that. For last few days Britain has got a dose of US progressivism. We are eternally grateful for being brought The Correct Ideas by our American cousins. Here are some of the Correct Opinions that your Black Lives Matter people have brought to us.

These pictures are of the riots yesterday (technically two days ago now.)

This is the Cenotaph in London. For those of you that don't know, the Cenotaph is Britain (and also its Commonwealth)'s national war memorial. It represents Britain's sons (and daughters) killed in the line of duty.

Image
Image

A Black Lives Matter rioter attempted to set the union flag on the Cenotaph on fire. Police quickly surrounded him but did more or less nothing. Previously, Black Lives Matter rioters had defaced the Cenotaph with BLM symbols. In the morning, active and inactive British servicemen came and cleaned up the scene.

Enough is enough. We have tolerated their game. Now it is time for the police to squash these morons. Unfortunately, Britain is not well suited to receiving such doses of US progressivism, the culprits of criminal damage around our country will likely go free despite the government's promise to "bring them to justice." What a shame.
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I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger, traveling through this world below
There is no sickness, no toil, nor danger, in that bright land to which I go
I'm going there to see my Father, and all my loved ones who've gone on
I'm only going over Jordan, I'm only going over home

I know dark clouds will gather 'round me, I know my way is hard and steep
But beauteous fields arise before me, where God's redeemed, their vigils keep

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:27 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:US riots spread to Britain. So thank you for that. For last few days Britain has got a dose of US progressivism. We are eternally grateful for being brought The Correct Ideas by our American cousins. Here are some of the Correct Opinions that your Black Lives Matter people have brought to us.

These pictures are of the riots yesterday (technically two days ago now.)

This is the Cenotaph in London. For those of you that don't know, the Cenotaph is Britain (and also its Commonwealth)'s national war memorial. It represents Britain's sons (and daughters) killed in the line of duty.

(Image)
(Image)

A Black Lives Matter rioter attempted to set the union flag on the Cenotaph on fire. Police quickly surrounded him but did more or less nothing. Previously, Black Lives Matter rioters had defaced the Cenotaph with BLM symbols. In the morning, active and inactive British servicemen came and cleaned up the scene.

Enough is enough. We have tolerated their game. Now it is time for the police to squash these morons. Unfortunately, Britain is not well suited to receiving such doses of US progressivism, the culprits of criminal damage around our country will likely go free despite the government's promise to "bring them to justice." What a shame.


Hey if your people are silly enough to copy our worst behaviors that is on you, not on us.
We did not say “UK riot or else”.
Some British people being stupid is some British peoples fault.

Not really surprising as the UK is more “progressive” than the US anyways.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:38 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:US riots spread to Britain. So thank you for that. For last few days Britain has got a dose of US progressivism. We are eternally grateful for being brought The Correct Ideas by our American cousins. Here are some of the Correct Opinions that your Black Lives Matter people have brought to us.


Progressive ideas don't belong to America. You guys had antifa and such well before we did.
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