RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[Hanafuridake]

Notwithstanding the morally dubious aspects of their ideology, I don't think it is fair to say that they are not clever or intelligent.

I've never understood adopting a religion for the aesthetics.

I mean... I do understand why people do it - it's just So dumb though. A lot of the neoreactionaries out there who say that they are supposedly radtrad catholic and orthodox are really just atheists who enjoy larping as something other than materialists and ideologues.

I mean, I've seen some arguments by some religious people about the ultimate beauty of their religion's rites, such as the sacrament, and how they hope they are true. Larpers are annoying, but I'd consider them a bit different from aestheticists.

[Cekoviu]

He was??? 7 year old me definitely missed that when she was reading the Harry Potter books.

I mean, blonde-haired blue-eyed little wizards talking about how their bloodline is pure and superior didn't ring any bells?

Not at that age, no. And I haven't touched the books for at least 10 years, so I never ended up critically examining that.
Wew lad.

[The Marlborough]

It should be noted that the Death Eaters in the films had their garb inspired by the KKK though. At this point however there is little separating the KKK and neo-Nazism.

[Joohan]

Was-... wasn't Voldemort literally just a satire of Hitler though?

Well, no. There are significant differences, although there are similarities and inspiration taken from Hitler. (And now look what you’ve done, you made me defend Harry Potter.)

He was literally a magic nazi. The death eaters tattoo is clearly just a magic totenkopf. Everyone in his inner circle ( even in the movies I think ) was a snobby rich white person ( or just an insane sycophant ), his most loyal followers ( the Malfoy's ) were friggin aryans, and he wanted to stop miscegenation and hated the so called, ahem... MuD bLoOdS.

Voldemort might as well have just spoken German.

[Italios]

I've never understood adopting a religion for the aesthetics.

I mean... I do understand why people do it - it's just So dumb though. A lot of the neoreactionaries out there who say that they are supposedly radtrad catholic and orthodox are really just atheists who enjoy larping as something other than materialists and ideologues.

I mean, I've seen some arguments by some religious people about the ultimate beauty of their religion's rites, such as the sacrament, and how they hope they are true. Larpers are annoying, but I'd consider them a bit different from aestheticists.

why is it so trendy to hate on tradcaths now anyways? their personal relationship with God is not anyone's business but their own, and all of them have a really good understanding of catholic (or orthodox, I use term tradcath loosely) theology, and easily name more ecumenical councils than the average lapsed cultural irish-italian-american catholic.

[Italios]

It should be noted that the Death Eaters in the films had their garb inspired by the KKK though. At this point however there is little separating the KKK and neo-Nazism.

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[Salus Maior]

Aesthetics are important, and in fact it did play a role in my adopting Catholicism.

Symbolism is important.

[Joohan]

Aesthetics are important, and in fact it did play a role in my adopting Catholicism.

Symbolism is important.

Aesthetics are important, only in so far as they demonstrate the purpose of a thing. In regards to the Church, that is the love and glory of God. If you don't believe in God, however, then the Aesthetics are nothing more than meaningless eye candy.

[Kowani]

Well, no. There are significant differences, although there are similarities and inspiration taken from Hitler. (And now look what you’ve done, you made me defend Harry Potter.)

IIRC, Voldemort was a blend of Hitler and Stalin.

That would not surprise me.

Well, no. There are significant differences, although there are similarities and inspiration taken from Hitler. (And now look what you’ve done, you made me defend Harry Potter.)

He was literally a magic nazi. The death eaters tattoo is clearly just a magic totenkopf. Everyone in his inner circle ( even in the movies I think ) was a snobby rich white person ( or just an insane sycophant ), his most loyal followers ( the Malfoy's ) were friggin aryans, and he wanted to stop miscegenation and hated the so called, ahem... MuD bLoOdS.

Voldemort might as well have just spoken German.

Well, we can note the influence of Hitler with the whole…magical purity thing (and also his penchant for ridiculous rituals and over complicated plans) But we can also notice several differences. For instance, Voldemort was far more willing to entrust things to his subordinates than Adolf “Should’ve listened to his generals”, and Voldemort (at least before he came back as a deformed monster) was known to be personally charming and charismatic, whereas with Hitler, that charisma was mostly reserved for his speeches.

I’m sure there’s more, but I haven’t read HP in years-

[Hanafuridake]

Aesthetics are important, and in fact it did play a role in my adopting Catholicism.

Symbolism is important.

My faith certainly feels stronger contemplating the aesthetics of temples than just seeing faith as purely literary.

Also it has some theological justification since everything beautiful shares the nature of the Buddha.

[New haven america]

Was-... wasn't Voldemort literally just a satire of Hitler though?

He was??? 7 year old me definitely missed that when she was reading the Harry Potter books.

Let's see, dictator with disastrous home life that grew up as a prodigy (In Hitler's case art, in Voldy's case dark magic) who got denied the opportunity of his dreams (Hitler art school and Voldy being Defense Against the Dark Arts professor at Hogwarts) who found solace with underground organizations that believed in the superiority of 1 race over all others and then went on to take over their nation and implement strict eugenic policies.

[Joohan]

He was??? 7 year old me definitely missed that when she was reading the Harry Potter books.

Let's see, dictator with disastrous home life that grew up as a prodigy (In Hitler's case art, in Voldy's case dark magic) who got denied the opportunity of his dreams (Hitler art school and Voldy being Defense Against the Dark Arts professor at Hogwarts) who found solace with underground organizations who believe in the superiority of 1 race over all others and then went on to take over their nation and implement strict eugenic policies.

Animal lovers...

[Deacarsia]

I prefer palæoreactionaries to neoreactionaries.

imagine being so pretentious that you unironically write Æs instæd of Es in 2020

I just think it looks cool.

[Hanafuridake]

imagine being so pretentious that you unironically write Æs instæd of Es in 2020

Imagine being so insecure that you feel the need to criticize other people’s orthography.

I just think it looks cool.

Ceko is just a snarky girl, I'm sure she didn't mean any offense.

[Deacarsia]

Imagine being so insecure that you feel the need to criticize other people’s orthography.

I just think it looks cool.

Ceko is just a snarky girl, I'm sure she didn't mean any offense.

Fair enough, then. I just get tired of dealing with trolls and smart alecks all the time. Sometimes I have trouble telling when someone is just joshing around.

I apologize if I reacted too strongly.

[Cekoviu]

I mean, I've seen some arguments by some religious people about the ultimate beauty of their religion's rites, such as the sacrament, and how they hope they are true. Larpers are annoying, but I'd consider them a bit different from aestheticists.

why is it so trendy to hate on tradcaths now anyways? their personal relationship with God is not anyone's business but their own, and all of them have a really good understanding of catholic (or orthodox, I use term tradcath loosely) theology, and easily name more ecumenical councils than the average lapsed cultural irish-italian-american catholic.

The issue with tradcaths is that while their personal relationship with God should be their own, it often isn't. Tradcaths tend to be quite fond of making sweeping assertions about the nature of God and do not often accept uncertainty in theological matters, which is terribly arrogant and basically invalidates any religious beliefs that don't fully kowtow to the Vatican's line of thought. Orthodoxy is not as bad about this, I might add, in part due to its relative decentralization and in part due to its theological tradition being less aggressively cataphatic.

[Cekoviu]

imagine being so pretentious that you unironically write Æs instæd of Es in 2020

Imagine being so insecure that you feel the need to criticize other people’s orthography.

I just think it looks cool.

Hana is correct, also, you should use þorns and eðs if you rælly want your orþography to look cool.

[New haven america]

I mean, I've seen some arguments by some religious people about the ultimate beauty of their religion's rites, such as the sacrament, and how they hope they are true. Larpers are annoying, but I'd consider them a bit different from aestheticists.

why is it so trendy to hate on tradcaths now anyways? their personal relationship with God is not anyone's business but their own, and all of them have a really good understanding of catholic (or orthodox, I use term tradcath loosely) theology, and easily name more ecumenical councils than the average lapsed cultural irish-italian-american catholic.

The problem is that usually their personal relationship with God doesn't stay private and they tend to try to preach and proselytize and get their private religious beliefs codified into actual policy.

It's their way or the highway.

[Joohan]

why is it so trendy to hate on tradcaths now anyways? their personal relationship with God is not anyone's business but their own, and all of them have a really good understanding of catholic (or orthodox, I use term tradcath loosely) theology, and easily name more ecumenical councils than the average lapsed cultural irish-italian-american catholic.

The problem is that they usually their personal relationship with God doesn't stay private and they tend to try to preach and proselytize and get their private religious beliefs codified into actual policy.

It's their way or the highway.

Well, if you what you believe is the literal word of God, then certainly it follows that you would wish for others to be on the right path too. That seems pretty reasonable given the thought process. Can't help it when people have strong opinions

[Hanafuridake]

The problem is that they usually their personal relationship with God doesn't stay private and they tend to try to preach and proselytize and get their private religious beliefs codified into actual policy.

It's their way or the highway.

Well, if you what you believe is the literal word of God, then certainly it follows that you would wish for others to be on the right path too. That seems pretty reasonable given the thought process. Can't help it when people have strong opinions

The idea of religion as something private seems like one either doesn't fully believe in their religion and/or that they believe in secularism more. As much as I dislike tradcaths, I think they have more logic behind their beliefs than Episcopalians who somehow think God's will stops where the state begins.

[New haven america]

The problem is that they usually their personal relationship with God doesn't stay private and they tend to try to preach and proselytize and get their private religious beliefs codified into actual policy.

It's their way or the highway.

Well, if you what you believe is the literal word of God, then certainly it follows that you would wish for others to be on the right path too. That seems pretty reasonable given the thought process. Can't help it when people have strong opinions

And if someone tells you no, they don't believe in your personal beliefs and would rather everyone have the choice about what they want to follow and believe, and said hypothetical tradcath never let's up or doesn't take no for an answer, well now we have an issue, don't we?

[Joohan]

Well, if you what you believe is the literal word of God, then certainly it follows that you would wish for others to be on the right path too. That seems pretty reasonable given the thought process. Can't help it when people have strong opinions

And if someone tells you no, they don't believe in your personal beliefs and would rather everyone have the choice about what they want to follow and believe, and said hypothetical tradcath never let's up or doesn't take no for an answer, well now we have an issue, don't we?

For one who believes that what they are doing is the literal work of God, then someone saying no isn't going to dissuade them. As Hana said, for the truly pious, divinity does not end were the state begins.

This isn't at all relegated to tradcath's either - evangelism is a pretty universal thing among the religious. I don't know why people diss on tradcath's in specific though, I didn't even know that was an ongoing trend. At least in the Christian community, the usually punching bag are the protestants.

[Hanafuridake]

Imagine being so insecure that you feel the need to criticize other people’s orthography.

I just think it looks cool.

Hana is correct,

I always am.

[Novus America]

Well, if you what you believe is the literal word of God, then certainly it follows that you would wish for others to be on the right path too. That seems pretty reasonable given the thought process. Can't help it when people have strong opinions

And if someone tells you no, they don't believe in your personal beliefs and would rather everyone have the choice about what they want to follow and believe, and said hypothetical tradcath never let's up or doesn't take no for an answer, well now we have an issue, don't we?

Not really. Just do not talk to them if you find them rude or annoying. I mean it is their freedom to advocate their beliefs just as you are free to advocate yours.

[Deacarsia]

Hana is correct, also, you should use þorns and eðs if you rælly want your orþography to look cool.

I ſincerely apoloᵹiſe, Cekoviu.