This would be better than the actual book tbh
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by Bienenhalde » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:11 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Diopolis wrote:The cathedral is just a mishmash of patriarchy and privilege with the holes in the theory on display. Much of the rest of their oddness works very similarly- pick a social justice concept, reverse the polarity, and magnify the holes so everyone sees them as soon as they look.
I think you're overestimating the cleverness of neoreactionaries, tbh.
by Cekoviu » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:19 pm
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by Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:46 pm
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Bienenhalde » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:50 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:
Notwithstanding the morally dubious aspects of their ideology, I don't think it is fair to say that they are not clever or intelligent.
Have you spoken to many neoreactionaries? The ones to whom I've spoken (hi mods, just to make it TOTALLY clear, I'm saying SOME AND NOT ALL neoreactionaries) have no self-awareness and seem to be incapable of rationally evaluating the world in which they live.
by Cekoviu » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:00 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:Cekoviu wrote:Have you spoken to many neoreactionaries? The ones to whom I've spoken (hi mods, just to make it TOTALLY clear, I'm saying SOME AND NOT ALL neoreactionaries) have no self-awareness and seem to be incapable of rationally evaluating the world in which they live.
I mean, maybe not everyone who jumps on the neo-reactionary bandwagon is smart, but I would say their leaders like Nick Land or Mencius Moldbug are.
by Bienenhalde » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:06 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:I mean, maybe not everyone who jumps on the neo-reactionary bandwagon is smart, but I would say their leaders like Nick Land or Mencius Moldbug are.
Maybe, but like, you could say the same thing about """"""""""""""""""""SJWs"""""""""""""""""""'. ContraPoints is obviously an evil genius, no?
by Proctopeo » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:09 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:I mean, maybe not everyone who jumps on the neo-reactionary bandwagon is smart, but I would say their leaders like Nick Land or Mencius Moldbug are.
Maybe, but like, you could say the same thing about """"""""""""""""""""SJWs"""""""""""""""""""'. ContraPoints is obviously an evil genius, no?
by Cekoviu » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:10 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Cekoviu wrote:Maybe, but like, you could say the same thing about """"""""""""""""""""SJWs"""""""""""""""""""'. ContraPoints is obviously an evil genius, no?
From what I've seen, she's smarter than most of those she'd be associated with. Though, the bar for that isn't very high at all. It's about as impressive as being smarter than a kakapo.
by Joohan » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:27 pm
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by The Marlborough » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:32 pm
The issue is local but national, if that makes sense. It's a repeated pattern of behavior that is committed at the local level across the nation. It doesn't help that the same few trainers, such as Dan Grossman, end up training and lecturing scores of police officers across the country. What they train is to treat the rest of society as basically an insurgency and to think of any single person as a potential threat. He has lectured for the MPD for instance, which might explain some of its more egregious cases such as that of Justine Damond.Joohan wrote:
That's nowhere near the point either you or I said. I was responding to your first point: America's elites abandoned America. I agreed, but I pointed out that that would be no reason why local departments have issues. A billionaire living in California has no real say into the actions taken by a local police department in Indiana. He might very well have an affect on national agencies - but these protests are mostly centered around the interaction with local cops.
Yes, local people know best but at the same time it is not just one or two cities it is across multiple cities, counties, and states. It's a national movement to fix a problem the reverberates at the local level nationally.Local deficiencies require local solutions. Sure, some practices at a national level can be reformed - but things like misconduct, tactics, and engagement with the community is something which should be handled at the local level. Burning down a town in Illinois because of MPD's misdeeds make absolutely no sense. Communities which have great relationships with their police have no reason to riot, because their departments are not the problem. Why must the country be burned down for something that must be solved at the local level?
I have read that and some departments have been able to do more. Others however have not, particularly those with strong unions that are against such recommendations. The MPD being one notable example, where it is said it is the union that is truly in control of the force, not the mayor or the chief of police. The NYPD at this point is almost a rogue entity given the attitude of its unions and fraternities protecting NYPD officers. It is still a massive issue that people are rightfully tired of having to deal with. They can get away with perjury, murder, and much more. Some positive steps have been taken, but not enough.Peaceful protests have worked in reforming police departments across the country. The President's Task Force on 21st Century Policing, has given reports which numerous departments across the nation have adopted and implemented. Things from body cams, to training, to civilian oversight. Just read it here. Change takes time, but it is absolutely happening, and it would be ignorant to say otherwise.
That is only because far too many people are allowing themselves to be distracted by them despite most people involved demonstrating peacefully.The riots will bring about change, though I doubt it will be the change they want. National guard deployed preemptively at even the hints of a riot, the hunting down of ANTIFA provocateurs, maybe there will finally be a reaction the media who stoke these flames. That's what I am hoping for at least. There is absolutely no reason why American's and their livelihoods should be treated as collateral damage.
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