RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[Cisairse]

Why are there no poll options for the two greatest Greek heroes, Αἴας the Great and the divine Αἰνείας?

I'm guessing because the choices have hit a cap or something, I dunno. Other than that, I have no idea.

Either way, I am sad.

[Hanafuridake]

You’d think an all forgiving, all powerful god wouldn’t be bothered by people saying mean things about him.

You run into a lot of such problems with an omni-everything deity tbh. It makes less sense the more you think about it.

I don't though.

[Salus Maior]

The many contradictions in an omni-everything deity are hard to explain away...

Not as much as you might think.

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RIP. Vienna is still cool though.

Although I'd say I'm more attached to the Habsburgs in and of themselves rather than Austria.

[Remaris]

The many contradictions in an omni-everything deity are hard to explain away...

Not as much as you might think.

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RIP. Vienna is still cool though.

Although I'd say I'm more attached to the Habsburgs in and of themselves rather than Austria.

I'm quite fond of the later Habsburgs. Joseph II, Marie Antoinette, Maximilian of Mexico, Franz Josef and Karl I are all among my favourite figures of their respective eras, and I possess quite a lot of nostalgia for the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy. The earlier Habsburgs- especially the Spanish branch- I have a much chillier attitude towards, as one would expect from a British Protestant. On the other hand, I still feel bitter towards their Protestant Hohenzollern rivals for destroying the Hanoverian monarchy. The ruling dynasty of my IC nation, which is an ersatz Holy Roman Empire, is an ersatz House of Hanover.

[Bienenhalde]

If Dennis Prager was an serbian orthodox priest half of rwdt would be all over his nuts

Well, I suppose if he was a Serbian Orthodox priest he wouldn't support cringe-tier laissez-faire capitalist fusionism.

[Hanafuridake]

Ngl one of the things I'm looking forward to in CK3 is making my own Christian heresy which worships Christos as a sun god.

[Bienenhalde]

sign me the FUCK up

Broke: reading Nietzsche about taking a whip when going to women.
Woke: reading Bachofen about how bands of warlike maidens killed men and founded matriarchal societies.

Meh. Amazons are kind of overrated. I would prefer to see a dictatorship led by prissy Victorian schoolmarms.

[Bear Stearns]

Consider the relative cultural prestige of certain careers at various times:

-Aeronautics in the 1950s
-Automobiles and advertising in the 1960s
-Oil in the 1970s
-Banking and finance in the 1980s
-Computer hardware in the 1990s
-Computer software in the 2000s
-Healthcare in the 2010s (namely non-physician healthcare careers like nursing and pharma)

What will the 2020s hold?

[Novus America]

Maximilian of Mexico was a good man but a very poor choice to lead Mexico.
His reformist and modernist tendencies undermined his conservative support base, and the reformists and modernists were nationalist republicans who would never support a foreign monarch. Good man but taking the crown from the Mexican conservatives was a bad call, admittedly he was duped, they pretended like they had widespread popular support but never did.

Also aligning with Napoleon III on foreign policy was pretty much always stupid.
Napoleon III actually had some good domestic policies but his foreign policies were pants on head stupid, and he was a horribly unreliable ally.

[Rostavykhan]

Broke: reading Nietzsche about taking a whip when going to women.
Woke: reading Bachofen about how bands of warlike maidens killed men and founded matriarchal societies.

Meh. Amazons are kind of overrated. I would prefer to see a dictatorship led by prissy Victorian schoolmarms.

A literal Nanny State.

Posh English accents are waifu material any way.

[New Visayan Islands]

Consider the relative cultural prestige of certain careers at various times:

-Aeronautics in the 1950s
-Automobiles and advertising in the 1960s
-Oil in the 1970s
-Banking and finance in the 1980s
-Computer hardware in the 1990s
-Computer software in the 2000s
-Healthcare in the 2010s (namely non-physician healthcare careers like nursing and pharma)

What will the 2020s hold?

In the Age of the Corona? I'm guessing medical researchers will have a massive spike in cultural prestige...especially if and when the researchers in question have successfully developed a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2.

[Northern Davincia]

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You run into a lot of such problems with an omni-everything deity tbh. It makes less sense the more you think about it.

I don't though.

That Austrian has a point.

[Salus Maior]

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I don't though.

That Austrian has a point.

I prefer when Austrians had a point....of a bayonet being shoved into Ottoman interlopers.

PRINCE EUGENE DO IT AGAIN.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Rzeczpospolita is the superior Catholic state, even over Habsburg Austria tbqh.

[New Visayan Islands]

Rzeczpospolita is the superior Catholic state, even over Habsburg Austria tbqh.

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or modern-day Poland?

[Fahran]

You’d think an all forgiving, all powerful god wouldn’t be bothered by people saying mean things about him.

Blasphemy has usually elicited less than positive responses from deities because it's an aberration from the natural order and deities, by their intrinsic nature, are deserving of veneration and respect. It's rather akin to lèse-majesté in more secular circles. I'm trying to think of a religion where blasphemy wouldn't have been met with disgust and anger. Remember that time Dionysus drove the king of Thebes mad and had him ripped limb from limb by the women of his family?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or modern-day Poland?

The Republic of course.

The Noble's Republic :^)

[Fahran]

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or modern-day Poland?

The Republic of course.

The Noble's Republic :^)

Based take.

Also, on the word based, I've always associated it as meaning based or rooted in traditions or in a strong conception of transcendant morality - with the exclusion of cults of reason such as those of Kant and Rawls.

[Fahran]

Maximilian of Mexico was a good man but a very poor choice to lead Mexico.
His reformist and modernist tendencies undermined his conservative support base, and the reformists and modernists were nationalist republicans who would never support a foreign monarch. Good man but taking the crown from the Mexican conservatives was a bad call, admittedly he was duped, they pretended like they had widespread popular support but never did.

Also aligning with Napoleon III on foreign policy was pretty much always stupid.
Napoleon III actually had some good domestic policies but his foreign policies were pants on head stupid, and he was a horribly unreliable ally.

^ This. I need to find that comic about Benito Juarez and Maximiliano.

[Fahran]

If you believe certain legends in the Talmud, then you would just be female Nero.

I mean... those legends are interesting but probably open a lot of worm cans.

[Hanafuridake]

You’d think an all forgiving, all powerful god wouldn’t be bothered by people saying mean things about him.

Blasphemy has usually elicited less than positive responses from deities because it's an aberration from the natural order and deities, by their intrinsic nature, are deserving of veneration and respect. It's rather akin to lèse-majesté in more secular circles. I'm trying to think of a religion where blasphemy wouldn't have been met with disgust and anger. Remember that time Dionysus drove the king of Thebes mad and had him ripped limb from limb by the women of his family?

Or it's the natural order itself which punishes the blasphemer and not the deity.

[Fahran]

Or it's the natural order itself which punishes the blasphemer and not the deity.

True.

[Mostrov]

You’d think an all forgiving, all powerful god wouldn’t be bothered by people saying mean things about him.

Blasphemy has usually elicited less than positive responses from deities because it's an aberration from the natural order and deities, by their intrinsic nature, are deserving of veneration and respect. It's rather akin to lèse-majesté in more secular circles. I'm trying to think of a religion where blasphemy wouldn't have been met with disgust and anger. Remember that time Dionysus drove the king of Thebes mad and had him ripped limb from limb by the women of his family?

Its only really known from the Bacchae, so I wouldn't call it 'that time' instead of Poetic fancy; though it is the finest example of Greek Tragedy we have.

The most patrician question is which of the Tragedians was best.

[Kowani]

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I don't though.

That Austrian has a point.

He very much does not.

(In most circumstances, anyway)

You’d think an all forgiving, all powerful god wouldn’t be bothered by people saying mean things about him.

Blasphemy has usually elicited less than positive responses from deities because it's an aberration from the natural order and deities, by their intrinsic nature, are deserving of veneration and respect.

They’re really not.

It's rather akin to lèse-majesté in more secular circles. I'm trying to think of a religion where blasphemy wouldn't have been met with disgust and anger. Remember that time Dionysus drove the king of Thebes mad and had him ripped limb from limb by the women of his family?

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Lèse-Majesté, by the way, is equally shit.
I don’t know if that counts as a whataboutism.

[Fahran]

Its only really known from the Bacchae, so I wouldn't call it 'that time' instead of Poetic fancy; though it is the finest example of Greek Tragedy we have.

That's fair. Actual formalized religious practices probably differed rather substantially from poetic myth and, of course, religious practices weren't uniform even within the same polis given the wide assortment of mystery cults. We do get some very interesting rhetorical references to Dionysus punishing the irreverent or obstinate though. And the Athenians don't seem to have been keen on blasphemy in general, even when they were emphasizing the punishments one or another deity might inflict or the harm to society brought about by the sort of irreverence that led to impiety and blasphemy.

The most patrician question is which of the Tragedians was best.

That's a difficult question. At the moment, I'm leaning towards Sophocles on the strenth of his extant Theban Cycle or Euripedes on the strength of The Bacchae, Medea, and The Trojan Women. Pathos for days. What's your opinion?