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Which alcoholic beverage is the most right-wing?

Wine (Blood and Body?)
23
21%
Beer
22
21%
Vodka
6
6%
Mead
12
11%
Whiskey/Whisky
18
17%
Scotch (option included for Questers and old people)
9
8%
Rakı (option included specifically for Marches)
4
4%
Seltzers/Hard Ciders (because the Claw is the LAW)
5
5%
Gin
4
4%
Other (Rum/Brandy/Cognac/Tequila)
4
4%
 
Total votes : 107

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Postby Fahran » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:57 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Because I am a constructivist and I recognize that every country has its own perspective on reality, and what seems like aggression to one country may be defensive for another. This is the security dilemma and leads to escalation. In time it will lead to war. It's well and good to contain China, but we should seek to compromise with them and understand their greivances.

We can appreciate their grievances while not capitulating to them in East Asia. In much the same way that we can appreciate why the Russians might not appreciate a nuclear arsenal based in Turkey or Poland. It doesn't really change where we stand though because, even understanding their grievances and interests, we may still have grievances and interests of our own that prevent an acceptable accord. When I refer to the Chinese or Russians as political enemies, I'm not implying that I hate them or view them as wholly unreasonable. I'm simply acknowledging that we're at odds with regard to what we want and need. I'm an American. I'm supposed to care more for the devastation wrought on Detroit or American military secrets being stolen than the failure of the Boxer Rebellion. And I do not ask the Chinese, outside of reasonable limits, to consider our grievances and interests because, while a good exercise in empathy, this is ultimately fruitless unless it leads to a favorable peace from our standpoint.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:58 am

Novus America wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Embassy staff that we forced on them in the first place.


Not really “we” again as you are again collectively attributing Western actions, it was not us who opened China by force but sure, yes we did some very bad things.

You are aware that the US forced its way in so that any concessions other powers received in treaties they forced upon China, the US would also receive? The reason that Western actions are being collectively attributed is because they were collectively performed. Just because we let other people do most of the heavy lifting doesn't mean our merchants weren't still going to China and reaping the rewards.
That would still be a stupid reason to sit back and let them be raped and killed.

Sure. But you can still understand why a foreign army marching into Beijing like it owned the place might still stick in China's craw a bit, especially when the West is complaining about how awful their industrial espionage or whatever is.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:58 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Novus America wrote:
As you usually are, perfectly eloquent and 100% correct. Our past bad actions (which we have done many) is no reason for us to metaphorically flagellate ourselves in the present.

In the present time they taken action against us. Which we should expect, but yet still seek to counter to the best of our abilities. It is really that simple.

The illusion that the passage of time equals reconciliation is a delusion suffered by men, not by states.


So you are saying we should punish ourselves today for the crimes other people committed in the past? That is just silly. And has little basis in sensible international relations.
Revanchism never lead to anything besides war.

France, Germany and Poland have been able to largely reconcile. Many countries go from enemies to friends. Revanchism is insanity if it prevents you from adapting to changing conditions.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:58 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Why do you resort to lying UMN?

What do you think "delenda est" means?

It means 'must be destroyed ' and then further specifies the PRC, so I'll ask again, why are you lying?

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:58 am

Fahran wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Because I am a constructivist and I recognize that every country has its own perspective on reality, and what seems like aggression to one country may be defensive for another. This is the security dilemma and leads to escalation. In time it will lead to war. It's well and good to contain China, but we should seek to compromise with them and understand their greivances.

We can appreciate their grievances while not capitulating to them in East Asia. In much the same way that we can appreciate why the Russians might not appreciate a nuclear arsenal based in Turkey or Poland. It doesn't really change where we stand though because, even understanding their grievances and interests, we may still have grievances and interests of our own that prevent an acceptable accord. When I refer to the Chinese or Russians as political enemies, I'm not implying that I hate them or view them as wholly unreasonable. I'm simply acknowledging that we're at odds with regard to what we want and need. I'm an American. I'm supposed to care more for the devastation wrought on Detroit or American military secrets being stolen than the failure of the Boxer Rebellion. And I do not ask the Chinese, outside of reasonable limits, to consider our grievances and interests because, while a good exercise in empathy, this is ultimately fruitless.

When you say "I'm an American, [I care more for my grievances than those of others]", you are saying "I am a moral relativist."
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:59 am

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What do you think "delenda est" means?

It means 'must be destroyed ' and then further specifies the PRC, so I'll ask again, why are you lying?

It's a famous quote by some Roman about Carthage, and we all know what happened to Carthage. He's not making a huge leap; if that isn't what you want, then don't go around quoting that passage.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:59 am

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What do you think "delenda est" means?

It means 'must be destroyed ' and then further specifies the PRC, so I'll ask again, why are you lying?

It doesn't specify the PRC. It says "China must be destroyed" using a phrase from ancient times that resulted in the slaughter and enslavement of the entire Carthaginian population.

Saying it just refers to ending a regime is like posting "Arbeit macht frei" and then saying it's just an innocent reference to free labor over slavery.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:00 am

Novus America wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The illusion that the passage of time equals reconciliation is a delusion suffered by men, not by states.


So you are saying we should punish ourselves today for the crimes other people committed in the past? That is just silly. And has little basis in sensible international relations.
Revanchism never lead to anything besides war.

France, Germany and Poland have been able to largely reconcile. Many countries go from enemies to friends. Revanchism is insanity if it prevents you from adapting to changing conditions.

No, I'm saying we should seek compromise.

They reconciled due to one's total defeat and capitulation. One side forced it on the other.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:00 am

Senkaku wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It means 'must be destroyed ' and then further specifies the PRC, so I'll ask again, why are you lying?

It's a famous quote by some Roman about Carthage, and we all know what happened to Carthage. He's not making a huge leap; if that isn't what you want, then don't go around quoting that passage.

I will quote what I damn well want, and if you are unable to actually read what it says then that's entirely on you.

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Postby North German Realm » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:00 am

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What do you think "delenda est" means?

It means 'must be destroyed ' and then further specifies the PRC, so I'll ask again, why are you lying?

Are you sure you don't know what "Delenda est" in this context means?
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:02 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It means 'must be destroyed ' and then further specifies the PRC, so I'll ask again, why are you lying?

It doesn't specify the PRC. It says "China must be destroyed" using a phrase from ancient times that resulted in the slaughter and enslavement of the entire Carthaginian population.

Saying it just refers to ending a regime is like posting "Arbeit macht frei" and then saying it's just an innocent reference to free labor over slavery.

"It doesn't specify the PRC" Are you just being contrary right now?
Are you that fucking dishonest you will lie about the fucking obvious?

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:02 am

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It doesn't specify the PRC. It says "China must be destroyed" using a phrase from ancient times that resulted in the slaughter and enslavement of the entire Carthaginian population.

Saying it just refers to ending a regime is like posting "Arbeit macht frei" and then saying it's just an innocent reference to free labor over slavery.

"It doesn't specify the PRC" Are you just being contrary right now?
Are you that fucking dishonest you will lie about the fucking obvious?

Show me where in the Latin the words "respublica populur" appear. (sorry for my terrible grammar)
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:03 am

Novus America wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The illusion that the passage of time equals reconciliation is a delusion suffered by men, not by states.


So you are saying we should punish ourselves today for the crimes other people committed in the past? That is just silly. And has little basis in sensible international relations.

No, he's saying we should see that for China, many of these things are still open historical wounds, and they'll be coming like bats out of hell to balance the scales for them if the West remains so haughty.
Revanchism never lead to anything besides war.

France, Germany and Poland have been able to largely reconcile. Many countries go from enemies to friends. Revanchism is insanity if it prevents you from adapting to changing conditions.

And they got there in no small part by German acknowledgement of Germany's terrible crimes and sincere apologies and compensation, as well as years of difficult diplomatic work where everyone strove to understand the historical sore points of their fellow Europeans. No such sensitivity has ever been directed towards China, by Japan or by anyone else- if you want to avoid revanchism, that's your road map. No one seems to be following it or even interested in following it.

I suspect that more than a few people here secretly yearn for a shooting war with the Chinese, frankly.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:03 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Not really “we” again as you are again collectively attributing Western actions, it was not us who opened China by force but sure, yes we did some very bad things. That would still be a stupid reason to sit back and let them be raped and killed.

What recourse did the Qing have to expel our ambassadors without a formal declaration of war, which they issued?


Not much, but one that did not justify the methods of trying to rape and slaughter them, and obviously if you declare war on someone they are justified in fighting back.

Again we were not the good guys. But we were not the worst guys. And the Chinese were not the good guys either. Looking at things through an excessively moralist lens is the worst possible way to do international relations. And before you say “but Iraq” yes is was extremely stupid to do in that case too and less to a massive international relations disaster.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:04 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Genivaria wrote:"It doesn't specify the PRC" Are you just being contrary right now?
Are you that fucking dishonest you will lie about the fucking obvious?

Show me where in the Latin the words "respublica populur" appear. (sorry for my terrible grammar)

Do they need to when I specify the intent of the phrase directly after? Please stop embarrassing yourself.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:05 am

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Show me where in the Latin the words "respublica populur" appear. (sorry for my terrible grammar)

Do they need to when I specify the intent of the phrase directly after? Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Stop embarrassing yourself like "delenda est" doesn't refer explicitly to the slaughter of an entire population lol
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:05 am

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Show me where in the Latin the words "respublica populur" appear. (sorry for my terrible grammar)

Do they need to when I specify the intent of the phrase directly after? Please stop embarrassing yourself.


You should just remove the Latin bit tbh. China Must Be Destroyed is a bad statement. The CPC is evil, China as a nation and collection of peoples is not.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:06 am

UMN can you actually show where I ever said I want to genocide and enslave the Chinese people are will you admit that was a lie?

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:06 am

Secondly, in the Latin, it explicitly refers to the nation of China (i.e. to the Chinese people), not to any regime.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:07 am

Genivaria wrote:UMN can you actually show where I ever said I want to genocide and enslave the Chinese people are will you admit that was a lie?

I don't have to, it explicitly says so in the Latin phrase in your statement lol
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Postby North German Realm » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:07 am

Genivaria wrote:UMN can you actually show where I ever said I want to genocide and enslave the Chinese people are will you admit that was a lie?

You expressed that when you wrote "Sina delenda est".
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:07 am

Genivaria wrote:
Senkaku wrote:It's a famous quote by some Roman about Carthage, and we all know what happened to Carthage. He's not making a huge leap; if that isn't what you want, then don't go around quoting that passage.

I will quote what I damn well want, and if you are unable to actually read what it says then that's entirely on you.

You're saying either a country or "just" its entire regime and government apparatus should be completely leveled.

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It doesn't specify the PRC. It says "China must be destroyed" using a phrase from ancient times that resulted in the slaughter and enslavement of the entire Carthaginian population.

Saying it just refers to ending a regime is like posting "Arbeit macht frei" and then saying it's just an innocent reference to free labor over slavery.

"It doesn't specify the PRC" Are you just being contrary right now?
Are you that fucking dishonest you will lie about the fucking obvious?

...why would it matter that you specified "the PRC" instead of just "China"? In the most generous interpretation, you're still basically calling for the slaughter of millions and the violent overturn of a nuclear-armed government. Are we supposed to give you a gold star for not wanting to incinerate Taiwan, too?
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Postby Fahran » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:07 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:When you say "I'm an American, [I care more for my grievances than those of others]", you are saying "I am a moral relativist."

No, I'm saying that I'm a communitarian on some level. I still maintain that the CCP is a profoundly immoral regime even before we get into others matters. You don't get to claim the moral high ground when you're prosecuting a genocide at the moment these arguments are occurring. You also don't get to claim the moral high ground when the state is usurping all other institutions and loyalties.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:07 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Do they need to when I specify the intent of the phrase directly after? Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Stop embarrassing yourself like "delenda est" doesn't refer explicitly to the slaughter of an entire population lol

Can you actually show where this was said or are you going to keep lying?

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Postby Novus America » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:07 am

Senkaku wrote:
Novus America wrote:
So you are saying we should punish ourselves today for the crimes other people committed in the past? That is just silly. And has little basis in sensible international relations.

No, he's saying we should see that for China, many of these things are still open historical wounds, and they'll be coming like bats out of hell to balance the scales for them if the West remains so haughty.
Revanchism never lead to anything besides war.

France, Germany and Poland have been able to largely reconcile. Many countries go from enemies to friends. Revanchism is insanity if it prevents you from adapting to changing conditions.

And they got there in no small part by German acknowledgement of Germany's terrible crimes and sincere apologies and compensation, as well as years of difficult diplomatic work where everyone strove to understand the historical sore points of their fellow Europeans. No such sensitivity has ever been directed towards China, by Japan or by anyone else- if you want to avoid revanchism, that's your road map. No one seems to be following it or even interested in following it.

I suspect that more than a few people here secretly yearn for a shooting war with the Chinese, frankly.


Oh they already are come at us like bats out of Hell, but I am just saying that is no reason for us to not fight back to the best of our abilities.
And again the worst crimes were not even committed by us, but if acknowledging we did some fucked up shit to them in the 1800s would make them feel better we can do so.
But do you really think that would stop them? Change their strategies or goals? The Revanchism is the excuse, not the reason.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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