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Does anyone actually think working isn't a scam?

Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:20 pm

Think about it - nobody really gets rich from selling themselves by the hour. Anyone who's rich enough to be put in a Forbes article for having Ferraris coming out of their ass has so much money that you couldn't become as rich as them by working for a wage, even if your wage was a thousand dollars an hour and you worked for a thousand years. Let's not forget that when you work you most likely rent as well, unless you're a boomer, inherited money or live in the middle of nowhere with really cheap housing, so realistically you probably live hand-to-mouth giving 30-50% of your wages to some fat fuck 55 year old with hypertension who thinks they're Conrad Hilton. Is it even worth continuing to be alive if you live like this and dedicate all your waking hours with energy to this?

How do people become rich if not by working and pulling themselves up by their bootstraps? Manipulating money (Warren Buffet) or getting other people to do work for you (Jeff Bezos). You might have to do a little bit of work at the beginning but you can always take an idea a bunch of other people have and cash in on it at the right time (Mark Zuckerberg). the only reason people who've done this tell you you can be successful by just working is because they need people to keep working for them to stay afloat in an economy that's needed constant growth since the eighteenth century to function. It's absolute bullshit. The government also likes when you work because then you can pay taxes for their functionaries who want to microchip you and have keyloggers installed on your intel computer so they can watch your porn search data to make sure you aren't thinking about flying a plane into an IRS building or bombing them like McVeigh (a hundred years ago politicians walked freely in the streets of Washington DC, now they only go anywhere with bodyguards - why do people hate them so much all of a sudden?), which I'm not suggesting you do at all but it is thought-provoking.

Can anyone tell me how working isn't just a completely awful pyramid scheme? How do you contribute to society by working in a call centre or doing door-to-door sales, like the majority of jobs in the developed world are now? Did you know that US manufacturing has been so eclipsed by traditionally-female service jobs that the majority of the American workforce is now women (those weird broad-hipped soft-skinned long-haired people that weren't allowed into most workplaces less than a century ago)? Regardless of whether men or women shine people's shoes for a living, is there any dignity in selling yourself for something so useless? Even if your job is useless, how are you helping yourself and your community by contributing to the most awful ponzi scheme ever devised by man?

You'll never receive anything more than the scraps of what you put in. When anything goes wrong, they WILL throw you under the bus. The managers WILL fuck you over if it saves their skin. American taxpayers' money is going to cruise ship companies right now while state governments make it illegal for the plebs to buy seeds. In Australia, the government suspended all gun sales even though you aren't able to own one for self defence because the applications for them skyrocketed in number.

Is renting yourself out to people who don't care if you die of corona on the shop floor really worth the money, especially when you can never get that time back with any amount of money? Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos are vampires sucking many human lifetimes' worth of labour hours out of their employees every day for almost nothing in return other than enough food and a sturdy enough room to stay under so that they can keep working for Microsoft, Facebook and Amazon. How much are YOU really worth per hour, honestly?

You probably work because you have to, but even if you aren't clever or creative enough to enslave others or manipulate money produced by others, have you ever considered finding a way to mooch off the government or family members so you don't have to work? It seems like the God-given right of any person who is aware of this to avoid it, unless of course you think slavery is also ethical and we should all just pull ourselves up by our cotton bootstraps and learn to live with the plantation gig economy.
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Postby Ourisio » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:26 pm

Shut the fuck up you bloviating bastard.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:28 pm

I don't work to be rich. I work to survive and because otherwise I would have nothing else to do all day.
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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:28 pm

Ourisio wrote:oh shut the fuck up you bloviating bastard.

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Postby Bieva » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:29 pm

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:
Ourisio wrote:oh shut the fuck up you bloviating bastard.

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Ourisio wrote:oh shut the fuck up you bloviating bastard.


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Postby Kathol Rift » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:32 pm

Well, most people tend to work so that they can get paid and survive. That makes sense to me. Feel free to go ahead and reject the system and become homeless though :)
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Postby Jakker » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:33 pm

Ourisio wrote:Shut the fuck up you bloviating bastard.


Let's not get into flaming here.

Edit part 2: I'll keep this thread open for now and I hope it gets into actually productive conversations, but we shall see.
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Postby South Ccanda » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:42 pm

OP, what do you propose we do? not work? then what?
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:43 pm

The problem with your theory, OP, is that you don't follow it to its natural conclusion. Let's say, hypothetically, that I accept all of your points as valid and quit my job. Now what? I can starve to death or I can apply for some kind of a government program and live off of other people's work as a parasite. Neither of those options sound particularly pleasant to me.
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Postby Nakena » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:43 pm

Well wage slavery doesn't makes you rich. Does it?

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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:48 pm

South Ccanda wrote:OP, what do you propose we do? not work? then what?

Well, there's a lot of solutions for a lot of people. I do genuinely think that most people can find a way to either get on welfare or make money online in ways that aren't wage labour, and are far less demeaning. Look at your landlord - does he work for a third of your pay? Personally (although it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things) I've been going the welfare route so far. I'm below the poverty line, but I actually manage to save money because I'm frugal and i make it work.

It takes a little bit of luck and cunning to do, if you do something online the skillset for that won't be taught to you in many places, but what's the cost-benefit ratio of it relative to working? That's why I'm using the word "scam". What do you put in, and what do you get out of it?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:50 pm

Jakker wrote:
Ourisio wrote:Shut the fuck up you bloviating bastard.


Let's not get into flaming here.

Edit part 2: I'll keep this thread open for now and I hope it gets into actually productive conversations, but we shall see.

Honestly I would have gone with not your blog, but you are the mod.
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Postby Nattily Dressed Anarchists on Bicycles » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:51 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:Now what? I can starve to death or I can apply for some kind of a government program and live off of other people's work as a parasite. Neither of those options sound particularly pleasant to me.


Get a unionized government job and live off of your own and other people's work like some kind of self-eating parasite. It's actually pretty chill.

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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:51 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:The problem with your theory, OP, is that you don't follow it to its natural conclusion. Let's say, hypothetically, that I accept all of your points as valid and quit my job. Now what? I can starve to death or I can apply for some kind of a government program and live off of other people's work as a parasite. Neither of those options sound particularly pleasant to me.

Isn't a meagre government cheque far less parasitic than the behaviour of your own employers? America and the rest of the West is basically kept afloat by skilled labourers, the urban underclass and the elite (bankers, corporate managers, stockbrokers, government managers) are able to eat because of them. When you put it like that it doesn't sound fantastic, but the system is so broken it begs the following question - is it really that unethical to mooch off a system built on such uncompensated exploitation? It seems to by far be one of the lesser of the two evils, especially since you aren't helping the elite maintain the structure they want to exploit you within. The burden you place on it by being a NEET influences the system's behaviour far more than any vote would.
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:52 pm

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:
South Ccanda wrote:OP, what do you propose we do? not work? then what?

Well, there's a lot of solutions for a lot of people. I do genuinely think that most people can find a way to either get on welfare or make money online in ways that aren't wage labour, and are far less demeaning. Look at your landlord - does he work for a third of your pay? Personally (although it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things) I've been going the welfare route so far. I'm below the poverty line, but I actually manage to save money because I'm frugal and i make it work.

It takes a little bit of luck and cunning to do, if you do something online the skillset for that won't be taught to you in many places, but what's the cost-benefit ratio of it relative to working? That's why I'm using the word "scam". What do you put in, and what do you get out of it?


Welfare can only be provided through tax revenue. If everyone is on welfare than no one is paying for it. Do the math.
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Postby Ourisio » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:52 pm

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:
Ourisio wrote:oh shut the fuck up you bloviating bastard.

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You're using some choice language ("vibrant youth"; "Abdi raiding Tesco's") that I'd expect to hear from some tory backbencher fuckwit, so I don't buy the 'new-found realization of capitalism and its discontents' spiel you've got going, tbh. So please explain what you meant, if you're not too busy LARPing being "blackpilled".
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:54 pm

I think the OP has a piss poor understanding of ... well anything economic.

Doctors get paid by the hour. Computer techs, security specialists, plumbers, electricians, car salesmen, auto mechanics, and they all manage to buy homes raise families send their kids to college, etc.

Live on welfare and save? You are collecting too much welfare.
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Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:Well, there's a lot of solutions for a lot of people. I do genuinely think that most people can find a way to either get on welfare or make money online in ways that aren't wage labour, and are far less demeaning. Look at your landlord - does he work for a third of your pay? Personally (although it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things) I've been going the welfare route so far. I'm below the poverty line, but I actually manage to save money because I'm frugal and i make it work.

It takes a little bit of luck and cunning to do, if you do something online the skillset for that won't be taught to you in many places, but what's the cost-benefit ratio of it relative to working? That's why I'm using the word "scam". What do you put in, and what do you get out of it?


Welfare can only be provided through tax revenue. If everyone is on welfare than no one is paying for it. Do the math.

So the current system ceases to exist.
Work hasn't been paid by the hour at a call centre desk for most of human history. Work in Ancient Rome or Northwestern Europe before the black death was very different to what it is now. The only reason I use "work" to refer to wageslavery is because wageslavery has so thoroughly consumed all work and turned it into wage labour.

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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:55 pm

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You're using some choice language ("vibrant youth"; "Abdi raiding Tesco's") that I'd expect to hear from some tory backbencher fuckwit, so I don't buy the 'new-found realization of capitalism and its discontents' spiel you've got going, tbh. So please explain what you meant, if you're not too busy LARPing being "blackpilled".

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:56 pm

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Welfare can only be provided through tax revenue. If everyone is on welfare than no one is paying for it. Do the math.

So the current system ceases to exist.
Work hasn't been paid by the hour at a call centre desk for most of human history. Work in Ancient Rome or Northwestern Europe before the black death was very different to what it is now. The only reason I use "work" to refer to wageslavery is because wageslavery has so thoroughly consumed all work and turned it into wage labour.

You dont know much history either. Where does the english word "salary" come from?
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:56 pm

Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:When you put it like that it doesn't sound fantastic, but the system is so broken it begs the following question - is it really that unethical to mooch off a system built on such uncompensated exploitation?


Yes. It is extremely unethical to mooch off of the system. In what way is it fair? Why should you reap the rewards for the labor of your fellow citizens? People who mooch off the system and make no attempt to find a job don't deserve a dime. If they can't pull their own weight than they can starve.
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Postby Vetalia » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:57 pm

When anything goes wrong, they WILL throw you under the bus. The managers WILL fuck you over if it saves their skin.


As a manager I disagree with this. I encountered this exact situation today as a matter of fact.
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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:57 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania wrote:So the current system ceases to exist.
Work hasn't been paid by the hour at a call centre desk for most of human history. Work in Ancient Rome or Northwestern Europe before the black death was very different to what it is now. The only reason I use "work" to refer to wageslavery is because wageslavery has so thoroughly consumed all work and turned it into wage labour.

You dont know much history either. Where does the english word "salary" come from?

Not from an hourly wage, that's for sure

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Postby Purple Rats » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:57 pm

While I agree with you that working is a scam, then lot of us. Most of us probably, don't really have any other choice. And "mooch off" your family is really terrible alternative. I have had periods of time when I have needed my family help, but I would never just try to mooch off them.

But not working and still surviving? Well, sure, how much of your comfortable life would you like to give up? You can go find some empty old house, squat it, live without electricity, dumpster dive in city and grow your own food.
But even then you still do need money.

I have lived in squat, where electricity came from solar panels, water we bought from neighbor with really cheap price. We dumpster dived and grew our own veggies... But still, we lived 10 people altogether (in 3 floor building), and about half of us still worked.

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