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Chernobyl forest fire 3.6 R: now with more op

Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:13 pm

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Its only 3.6 roentgen. We will be fine.

Side note: we may not be fine. Radioactive fire doesn't sound fine. And ontop of Krakatoa and the virus, we are really really fucked. Like this shit can be seen from space. 2020 is not so great. I hope the fire is put out quickly and safely. The fact that the radation levlies spikeing and the fact that its fire is very worrying. Stay safe Europe.


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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:15 pm

2.3 microsievert per hour. Actually not terrible.

You receive about 10 microsieverts from background radiation in the course of a normal day. Being downwind of this fire for a whole day is roughly the same amount of radiation as one flight from New York to Los Angeles.
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Postby Albrenia » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:17 pm

Is this that forest where there's little to no microscopic life due to the radiation? So the dead trees don't rot much?

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:18 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:2.3 microsievert per hour. Actually not terrible.

You receive about 10 microsieverts from background radiation in the course of a normal day. Being downwind of this fire for a whole day is roughly the same amount of radiation as one flight from New York to Los Angeles.


Yeah but its constant. So thats not good. A flight is a one time thing.

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Postby Bromagia » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:18 pm

This happened before in 2010. Probably other times, too. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2014002608

Per the source, at worst we'll probably see Fukashima levels of poisoning so...not that bad, in the scheme of things.

Krakatoa is an active volcano. It does this from time to time.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:19 pm

Albrenia wrote:Is this that forest where there's little to no microscopic life due to the radiation? So the dead trees don't rot much?

Idk about microscopic but the trees and wildlife is thriveing in that forest.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:21 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:2.3 microsievert per hour. Actually not terrible.

You receive about 10 microsieverts from background radiation in the course of a normal day. Being downwind of this fire for a whole day is roughly the same amount of radiation as one flight from New York to Los Angeles.


Yeah but its constant. So thats not good. A flight is a one time thing.

If you were a pilot, you would be exposed to this level of radiation constantly. Pilots aren't all dropping dead at an alarming rate.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:25 pm

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:26 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Yeah but its constant. So thats not good. A flight is a one time thing.

If you were a pilot, you would be exposed to this level of radiation constantly. Pilots aren't all dropping dead at an alarming rate.



Not really. Pilots have lots of rest breaks and time on the ground before they get in the air.

With this its liveing in a town 24/7 being exposed to this with no rest breaks or time to decend alttude/taxing/bording/deplaneing.

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Postby Albrenia » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:29 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Is this that forest where there's little to no microscopic life due to the radiation? So the dead trees don't rot much?

Idk about microscopic but the trees and wildlife is thriveing in that forest.


Yeah, it's not like a death zone or anything, but the things which cause plant matter to decay aren't as strong there so things rot a good deal slower. I think some people call it a 'zombie forest'.

There's still plenty of living trees there though.

As for the radiation levels, I'm not worried. It's not a good thing, but it's nothing to be worried about right now.

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Postby Bromagia » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:29 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:If you were a pilot, you would be exposed to this level of radiation constantly. Pilots aren't all dropping dead at an alarming rate.



Not really. Pilots have lots of rest breaks and time on the ground before they get in the air.

With this its liveing in a town 24/7 being exposed to this with no rest breaks or time to decend alttude/taxing/bording/deplaneing.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2014002608

It's not as bad as you think. Even the worst case isn't as bad as you think.
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Postby Saint Nicholas and the Hussars » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:30 pm

Ehhh. It isn’t that bad (yet). I wonder if we’ll get killed from a huge space laser ray
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:30 pm

Bromagia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Not really. Pilots have lots of rest breaks and time on the ground before they get in the air.

With this its liveing in a town 24/7 being exposed to this with no rest breaks or time to decend alttude/taxing/bording/deplaneing.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2014002608

It's not as bad as you think. Even the worst case isn't as bad as you think.


Eh fair enough but this event still isn't great.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:32 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:If you were a pilot, you would be exposed to this level of radiation constantly. Pilots aren't all dropping dead at an alarming rate.



Not really. Pilots have lots of rest breaks and time on the ground before they get in the air.

With this its liveing in a town 24/7 being exposed to this with no rest breaks or time to decend alttude/taxing/bording/deplaneing.

A flight from New York to Los Angeles only takes 6 hours. Do you think pilots average 6 hours of flying in a day?

Then they receive about as much radiation as this thing is putting off.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:39 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Not really. Pilots have lots of rest breaks and time on the ground before they get in the air.

With this its liveing in a town 24/7 being exposed to this with no rest breaks or time to decend alttude/taxing/bording/deplaneing.

A flight from New York to Los Angeles only takes 6 hours. Do you think pilots average 6 hours of flying in a day?

Then they receive about as much radiation as this thing is putting off.


Really? I thought the higher they went the more rads they get?

No but i was thinking of the rest stops they do. Airline pilots sleep alot to be fully rested.

But ok fair enough.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:41 pm

To receive a dose high enough to be linked to an increased risk of cancer, you would have to spend 1,800 days downwind of this thing in one year.

So, while being downwind of a forest fire is probably not a good thing, it's not a good thing for the normal reasons. Unless radiation levels rise significantly, there's little threat.


EDIT: although the smoke itself might give you lung cancer. So maybe don't test this.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:43 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:A flight from New York to Los Angeles only takes 6 hours. Do you think pilots average 6 hours of flying in a day?

Then they receive about as much radiation as this thing is putting off.

Really? I thought the higher they went the more rads they get?

No but i was thinking of the rest stops they do. Airline pilots sleep alot to be fully rested.

But ok fair enough.

Radiation is everywhere, if only because the sun is literally an angry ball of nuclear fusion. Thus far our atmosphere has protected us from the worst the sun has to offer, but clearly this situation cannot last.


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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:22 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:To receive a dose high enough to be linked to an increased risk of cancer, you would have to spend 1,800 days downwind of this thing in one year.

So, while being downwind of a forest fire is probably not a good thing, it's not a good thing for the normal reasons. Unless radiation levels rise significantly, there's little threat.


EDIT: although the smoke itself might give you lung cancer. So maybe don't test this.


Good point.

Hurdergaryp wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Really? I thought the higher they went the more rads they get?

No but i was thinking of the rest stops they do. Airline pilots sleep alot to be fully rested.

But ok fair enough.

Radiation is everywhere, if only because the sun is literally an angry ball of nuclear fusion. Thus far our atmosphere has protected us from the worst the sun has to offer, but clearly this situation cannot last.


Yep.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:04 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:To receive a dose high enough to be linked to an increased risk of cancer, you would have to spend 1,800 days downwind of this thing in one year.

So, while being downwind of a forest fire is probably not a good thing, it's not a good thing for the normal reasons. Unless radiation levels rise significantly, there's little threat.


EDIT: although the smoke itself might give you lung cancer. So maybe don't test this.

Too late, I already managed to finance a scientific mission.

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Postby Albrenia » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:06 pm

As an Australian, my professional opinion is that people should not inhale radioactive smoke.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:08 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:To receive a dose high enough to be linked to an increased risk of cancer, you would have to spend 1,800 days downwind of this thing in one year.

So, while being downwind of a forest fire is probably not a good thing, it's not a good thing for the normal reasons. Unless radiation levels rise significantly, there's little threat.


EDIT: although the smoke itself might give you lung cancer. So maybe don't test this.


I'm going to guess at the current rates, smoke inhalation is a bigger health risk than the radiation exposure.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:49 pm

You're overreacting again Herp.

While this is bad it's mostly bad because forest fires are bad, the radiation adds a bit more badness but it's not going to kill all life on earth bad.
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:39 pm

Albrenia wrote:Is this that forest where there's little to no microscopic life due to the radiation? So the dead trees don't rot much?

You look down on the resilience of life.They can mutate into radiation-resistant microorganisms or radiation-resistant microorganisms.Cherrobyl's forest is thriving and you can travel there at a very cheap price, after the fire is put out
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Postby -Astoria- » Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:43 pm

We've only reached a third of the year, and this happens.

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Postby Albrenia » Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:51 pm

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Is this that forest where there's little to no microscopic life due to the radiation? So the dead trees don't rot much?

You look down on the resilience of life.They can mutate into radiation-resistant microorganisms or radiation-resistant microorganisms.Cherrobyl's forest is thriving and you can travel there at a very cheap price, after the fire is put out


It seems to be fairly well-documented that the decay process for dead trees there is significantly slowed due to the effects radiation has on life responsible for said rot. You are correct, however, that it still supports a lot of life, stunted slightly due to the radiation, but plentiful life nonetheless.

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