[POLL] Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual vs. Transexual

[Kowani]

Maybe not gay marriage specifically but there is a fair amount of polling showing people are becoming less and less supportive of the LGBT+ movement. My personal opinion on why is just the awful optics of it in the US and the fears of a never ending slippery slope, which I'm not really sure how the latter bit could be handled.

From what I have seen, a large chunk of anti-LGBT sentiment seems to mostly be targeted against the T part of the community as they try to push ideas like pre-op trans people using opposite sex public bathrooms and locker rooms, biologically male people should be allowed to compete in women's sports, there are dozens of different genders, etc. Most people I know have no issue with the idea of two people of the same-sex getting married, but most people I know do have issues with a lot of stuff that the trans-rights movement has been pushing.

So, propaganda and ignorance.

[Heloin]

About as accurate as gay representation in movies and TV turning kids gay.



Sure there are a small few but the majority of people - even LGB and trans people - find it rather awful. I personally don't think there should be any children drag queens same as I don't think there should be child beauty pageants. Both reek of pedophilia.



Trans people are raped and murdered, or just killed for being trans, "trans panic defense," etc., or they're bullied, harassed, or mistreated to the point of being driven to suicide. How many non-trans people are being bullied to death by trans folk?

Is it really just a small number? Because some elements of the trans community seem to have an awful big problem with child sex grooming.

A reddit page for people pretending that Transgender identity is just a fetish isn't a source.

[Cisairse]

Is it really just a small number? Because some elements of the trans community seem to have an awful big problem with child sex grooming.

A reddit page for people pretending that Transgender identity is just a fetish isn't a source.

It was definitely the most interesting internet rabbit hole I went down today. Not the worst, but the most interesting.

[Kannap]

Siding with the people who want to take away your rights to protect your rights.

That's assuming they still want to take away gay marriage, which even amongst the most hard right circles isn't really a thing with a ton of opposition anymore. Some Christian types might bitch and moan about it still but not many people really care anymore. Nowadays the opposition is just generally against trans peoples and the awful optics of the LGBT movement.

Is that why LGBT people still don't have equal rights and protections?

[Kannap]

Why would the people who wanted to not allow gay marriage a few years ago suddenly be fine with it now? Bigots aren't known for dropping their prejudices that easily.

Well they were always saying taking it to the courts was the wrong route and that we should take five years to win hearts and minds. It's been five years but I'm not buying that their hearts and minds gimmick was anything other than a failed attempt to try and get the Supreme Court to say state referendums would have to legalize same sex marriage themselves.

[Proctopeo]

A day may come where it's a necessary action to preserve LGB rights. This day shouldn't come, but it very well might.

[Kaj Migawageordia]

From what I have seen, a large chunk of anti-LGBT sentiment seems to mostly be targeted against the T part of the community as they try to push ideas like pre-op trans people using opposite sex public bathrooms and locker rooms, biologically male people should be allowed to compete in women's sports, there are dozens of different genders, etc. Most people I know have no issue with the idea of two people of the same-sex getting married, but most people I know do have issues with a lot of stuff that the trans-rights movement has been pushing.

So, propaganda and ignorance.

Why not?

[Kannap]

About as accurate as gay representation in movies and TV turning kids gay.



Sure there are a small few but the majority of people - even LGB and trans people - find it rather awful. I personally don't think there should be any children drag queens same as I don't think there should be child beauty pageants. Both reek of pedophilia.



Trans people are raped and murdered, or just killed for being trans, "trans panic defense," etc., or they're bullied, harassed, or mistreated to the point of being driven to suicide. How many non-trans people are being bullied to death by trans folk?

Is it really just a small number? Because some elements of the trans community seem to have an awful big problem with child sex grooming.

I had a post making a serious reply to this, that's before I realized the source was a subreddit for people with a fetish for trans people lol.

[Kannap]

Congrats to Therm on getting a fan.

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Siding with the people who want to take away your rights to protect your rights.

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Therm talking to me: "You can't tell me how to think, straight white oppressor!"
Therm talking to Necroghastia: "Let me explain to you what your sexual orientation is"

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My money's on butch lesbians going under the bus seconds after trans people, because TERFs think that only stereotypical tradwives are real women.

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Yeah man, conversion therapy is the way for the way forward.

Wait...

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What if I told you that it's possible for a word to be both wrong and gender neutral?

You'd be a silly goose.

Except Immy isn't in this case. If somebody has made clear what pronouns they use and you continue to intentionally use the wrong pronouns - even if they're gender neutral - you're in the wrong.

If somebody uses she/her pronouns, and has made that clear, then referring to that person with he/him or they/them pronouns is incorrect.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Is it really just a small number? Because some elements of the trans community seem to have an awful big problem with child sex grooming.

I had a post making a serious reply to this, that's before I realized the source was a subreddit for people with a fetish for trans people lol.

That's... not quite what it is, no. It's a subreddit for posting all the weird shit in the trans community and how it seems to be more of an extreme fetish than a real thing.

[Kannap]

I had a post making a serious reply to this, that's before I realized the source was a subreddit for people with a fetish for trans people lol.

That's... not quite what it is, no. It's a subreddit for posting all the weird shit in the trans community and how it seems to be more of an extreme fetish than a real thing.

You say that as if that isn't somehow less credible.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's... not quite what it is, no. It's a subreddit for posting all the weird shit in the trans community and how it seems to be more of an extreme fetish than a real thing.

You say that as if that isn't somehow less credible.

It wasn't meant to make it seem more credible, just correcting what it is.

That also plays into the optics stuff I've mentioned. It might sound mean but I'm gonna be blunt and say there's a lot of really fucking weird people in the trans community and their shenanigans make the wider LGBT+ movement seem less like normal people who just want to have equal rights and more like a bunch of creeps. People like Therm might be downright rude yes, but I can at times understand where he's coming from when he wants to jettison them from the movement.

[Cisairse]

You say that as if that isn't somehow less credible.

It wasn't meant to make it seem more credible, just correcting what it is.

That also plays into the optics stuff I've mentioned. It might sound mean but I'm gonna be blunt and say there's a lot of really fucking weird people in the trans community and their shenanigans make the wider LGBT+ movement seem less like normal people who just want to have equal rights and more like a bunch of creeps. People like Therm might be downright rude yes, but I can at times understand where he's coming from when he wants to jettison them from the movement.

Everyone knows that everyone saw the LGB community as just normal people who want equal rights before the Ts showed up and ruined everything.

[Proctopeo]

It wasn't meant to make it seem more credible, just correcting what it is.

That also plays into the optics stuff I've mentioned. It might sound mean but I'm gonna be blunt and say there's a lot of really fucking weird people in the trans community and their shenanigans make the wider LGBT+ movement seem less like normal people who just want to have equal rights and more like a bunch of creeps. People like Therm might be downright rude yes, but I can at times understand where he's coming from when he wants to jettison them from the movement.

Everyone knows that everyone saw the LGB community as just normal people who want equal rights before the Ts showed up and ruined everything.

Your usage of a strawman is telling.

[Kaj Migawageordia]

Everyone knows that everyone saw the LGB community as just normal people who want equal rights before the Ts showed up and ruined everything.

Your usage of a strawman is telling.

How?

[Basel-Triesen]

I had a post making a serious reply to this, that's before I realized the source was a subreddit for people with a fetish for trans people lol.

That's not really what it is lol

What is actually is isn't any better.

[Necroghastia]

That's not really what it is lol

What is actually is isn't any better.

It's even more dubious a source, honestly.

[Hanafuridake]

What is actually is isn't any better.

I don't see anything wrong with a subreddit dedicated to pointing out all the weird shit in the trans community.

A subreddit which has in the past doxxed people and posted nudes of people without their consent.

[Stanmenistan]

LGB rights movement pushes for pride and acceptance of who you are and the way you were born. The T movement pushes for rejection of who you are and the way you were born. The two don't go together.

Transgender people ARE born the way they are. Trans Women have female brains but male bodies and vice versa for trans men.

[Necroghastia]

What is actually is isn't any better.

I don't see anything wrong with a subreddit dedicated to pointing out all the weird shit in the trans community.

A subreddit dedicated to the assertion that being trans is "just a fetish" is blatantly a troll haven.

[South Ccanda]

Yeah, I feel like sexuality and wanting to be/believing you are another gender should be separated, and not grouped together as one community.

[Kowani]

So, propaganda and ignorance.

Why not?

The bathrooms rely on ignorance, because the science shows that trans people are no more likely to harass anyone in a bathroom, but they are much more likely to be harassed when forced to use bathrooms according to their biological sex, the sports one is a mixture of propaganda and ignorance because any professional sports league worth anything mandates hormone levels for trans athletes, and the “86 genders” is ignorance on what gender is.

[Vassenor]

Yeah, I feel like sexuality and wanting to be/believing you are another gender should be separated, and not grouped together as one community.

Why?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why not?

The bathrooms rely on ignorance, because the science shows that trans people are no more likely to harass anyone in a bathroom, but they are much more likely to be harassed when forced to use bathrooms according to their biological sex, the sports one is a mixture of propaganda and ignorance because any professional sports league worth anything mandates hormone levels for trans athletes, and the “86 genders” is ignorance on what gender is.

In regards to the sports I can tell you most of the outrage and push back against it isn't really coming from professional leagues very much, though there is the occasional blurb about that. Most of it comes from things like High School age transgender students (pretty much always MtF) joining and absolutely dominating sports.

[Nakena]

The bathrooms rely on ignorance, because the science shows that trans people are no more likely to harass anyone in a bathroom, but they are much more likely to be harassed when forced to use bathrooms according to their biological sex, the sports one is a mixture of propaganda and ignorance because any professional sports league worth anything mandates hormone levels for trans athletes, and the “86 genders” is ignorance on what gender is.

In regards to the sports I can tell you most of the outrage and push back against it isn't really coming from professional leagues very much, though there is the occasional blurb about that. Most of it comes from things like High School age transgender students (pretty much always MtF) joining and absolutely dominating sports.

I feel no pity for the girls ;^)