NationStates

Cisairse wrote:

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My Political Views have evolved overtime, very much. I used to be a highly authoritarian type, not fascist, however. I was also for a Theocratic state, but now I'm for a Semi-Democratic Constitutional Aristocracy, and not a theocratic one.

My preferred Government is one where the Aristocrats act as representatives of the constitution, and they can't really change laws. They can do pretty basic things like raise or lower taxes, place tariffs, institute conscription, open or close borders, etc. But they cannot have so much power that they can overturn laws or oppress the people.

Aristocrats select people to replace them when they die, but the people of the nation can elect governors, mayors, judges, etc. So we're sort of democratic.

Wait, in your system, what prevents the aristocracy from raising taxes to an excessive degree as a form of oppression? Or lower them to much that the civil government collapses?

One thing I'm puzzled by is why they should be able to choose who follows them when they die. That seems pretty arbitrary and could lead to some big problems.

I would say this is about accurate.

Othelos wrote:

The Sladerstan wrote:(Image)
My Political Views have evolved overtime, very much. I used to be a highly authoritarian type, not fascist, however. I was also for a Theocratic state, but now I'm for a Semi-Democratic Constitutional Aristocracy, and not a theocratic one.

My preferred Government is one where the Aristocrats act as representatives of the constitution, and they can't really change laws. They can do pretty basic things like raise or lower taxes, place tariffs, institute conscription, open or close borders, etc. But they cannot have so much power that they can overturn laws or oppress the people.

Aristocrats select people to replace them when they die, but the people of the nation can elect governors, mayors, judges, etc. So we're sort of democratic.

Why would that be a good system?

Aye, people think what they think, regardless of possibility or effectiveness. Key example would be anarchists

Saint Nicholas and the Hussars wrote:

Othelos wrote:Why would that be a good system?

Aye, people think what they think, regardless of possibility or effectiveness. Key example would be anarchists

Hey at least nowadays more people are ancoms or ancaps rather than individualist anarchists. It's not a big step up, but it's something.

It's the centrist anarchists that you have to watch out for. Also, wasn't there an anarcho-monarchist on NSG a few years back?

Seems fairly accurate to me.

Socialist 78.8%
Peaceful 73.3%
Liberal 72.2%
(V) Progressive 85.0%

Which makes me a libertarian socialist lol

I can't see anything in the poll which matches any of that.

Cisairse wrote:

Saint Nicholas and the Hussars wrote:Aye, people think what they think, regardless of possibility or effectiveness. Key example would be anarchists

Hey at least nowadays more people are ancoms or ancaps rather than individualist anarchists. It's not a big step up, but it's something.

It's the centrist anarchists that you have to watch out for. Also, wasn't there an anarcho-monarchist on NSG a few years back?

UMN was very recently an anarcho-monarchist, though he reverted to his old auth-left tendencies like a few weeks ago

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Socialist 78.8%
Peaceful 73.3%
Liberal 72.2%
(V) Progressive 85.0%

Which makes me a libertarian socialist lol

I can't see anything in the poll which matches any of that.

The poll is just the possible economic choices, so I would say Socialist.

It said I was a national socialist.I thought I was a communist. So sad.I feel like I betrayed the revolution.
Looks like I'm going to call myself a мелкая буржуазия.

https://postimg.cc/Kkr1Fbws

Othelos wrote:

The Sladerstan wrote:(Image)
My Political Views have evolved overtime, very much. I used to be a highly authoritarian type, not fascist, however. I was also for a Theocratic state, but now I'm for a Semi-Democratic Constitutional Aristocracy, and not a theocratic one.

My preferred Government is one where the Aristocrats act as representatives of the constitution, and they can't really change laws. They can do pretty basic things like raise or lower taxes, place tariffs, institute conscription, open or close borders, etc. But they cannot have so much power that they can overturn laws or oppress the people.

Aristocrats select people to replace them when they die, but the people of the nation can elect governors, mayors, judges, etc. So we're sort of democratic.

Why would that be a good system?

Because it ensures the Nation remains mostly the same, and that the vision of the Founders is kept.

Cisairse wrote:

The Sladerstan wrote:(Image)
My Political Views have evolved overtime, very much. I used to be a highly authoritarian type, not fascist, however. I was also for a Theocratic state, but now I'm for a Semi-Democratic Constitutional Aristocracy, and not a theocratic one.

My preferred Government is one where the Aristocrats act as representatives of the constitution, and they can't really change laws. They can do pretty basic things like raise or lower taxes, place tariffs, institute conscription, open or close borders, etc. But they cannot have so much power that they can overturn laws or oppress the people.

Aristocrats select people to replace them when they die, but the people of the nation can elect governors, mayors, judges, etc. So we're sort of democratic.

Wait, in your system, what prevents the aristocracy from raising taxes to an excessive degree as a form of oppression? Or lower them to much that the civil government collapses?

There obviously is a limit to taxation changes (Taxes can range from 10% to 30%). But they must have a valid reason to raise taxes, not just simply "Oh let's raise taxes to 30% because we want to." It must be justified. Of course, in times of war, the taxation change is raised to 45% maximum.

81.4% equality
67.2% world
66.7% liberty
81.8% progress
Guess that makes me libertarian socialist. I guess that's fitting even though I describe myself as a social democrat.

8values - 67.9% equality, 52.8% nation, 54% authority, 51.9% tradition
9axes - 69% federal, 51% democracy, 53% isolationist, 67% pacifist, 54% security, 61% equality, 55% secular, 51% tradition, 85% assimilationist

8values says "Christian Democrat" which is sort of right in principles except that I'm not religious, and I don't think that democracy as currently practised is an adequate form of popular government since it results in a permanent "winner takes all" scenario which is divisive and unsuitable for bringing a people together.

9axes is the superior test, but anything like this is always limited mechanistically by the fact you're being measured against two binaries - it can never capture the number of distinct positions/schools between the extremes and so can merely phrase it as being "moderate".

These sorts of tests are more to give people who don't have a stable sense of their politics an inkling as to where they might stand than they are for people with a longstanding interest in politics. Which makes it peculiar that we are so interested in them...

9axes.

Since the OP’s changed...

Kowani wrote:Since the OP’s changed...

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I thought you would be more of a federalist, Kowani, but eh

Dumb Ideologies wrote:These sorts of tests are more to give people who don't have a stable sense of their politics an inkling as to where they might stand than they are for people with a longstanding interest in politics. Which makes it peculiar that we are so interested in them...

I did the old Political Compass one many times, and I found it very interesting how my position changed over time. It seems internet debate actually does have the power to change my mind a bit. Contrary to how it feels (too old to change much).

The 8axes result this time doesn't seem very wrong, but it also doesn't tell me much. I'll check it again in six months, see if it's changed.

Samudera Darussalam wrote:

Kowani wrote:Since the OP’s changed...

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I thought you would be more of a federalist, Kowani, but eh

Nah, mate. Let local governments exist (no need to tie the legislature down in discussions about potholes and streetlights), but with extremely limited autonomy and subservience to the national government.

took the 9axes thing, all 216 questions

nothing really changed, except now i got 47% militarist 53% pacifist, where before it was more 65-70% pacifist

Democratic Socialism, yeah that seems about right.

Kowani wrote:

Samudera Darussalam wrote:I thought you would be more of a federalist, Kowani, but eh

Nah, mate. Let local governments exist (no need to tie the legislature down in discussions about potholes and streetlights), but with extremely limited autonomy and subservience to the national government.

But muh potholes!

Think what a strong central government could do for your potholes. They'd be like palaces, with a parking lot at one end and a carwash at the other. They'd be the safest part of the road, with full surveillance and live-in security. The largest of them would even have traffic lights and an entrance to mall parking in them. And potholes. In the potholes!

The poll is too linear. Personally I would have put it in a way the political compass

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=97.4&d=76.1&g=77.8&s=89.3

Well, given that I consider myself a Libertarian Marxist, this isn't new information.

I'm always confused about these test.

For example "Maintaining family values is essential" - I strongly believe family values are important, but I'm afraid that if I answer to this question, is means "traditional family values"... which I disagree with.

Also "Illegal immigrant have no benefits"- what does it mean? that illegal immigrants are not beneficial to society, or that these immigrants don't have benefits from entering to our country?

Blyat, I need more coffee.

Anyway

Otherwise, when it comes to ideology than I see my self as anarchist, I can't just really make up my mind about collectivism and syndicalism, with what I more relate...

But as I have kind of lost all hopes for humanity, I think social democrat is good enough.

Will take 9axes shortly since my beliefs have changed a lot again.