Coronavirus Thread III: The Show Must Not Go On (READ OP)

[Albrenia]

Remove the availability of internet connection, and that's closer.

Without internet as distraction many keeping distance wouldn't have resisted even one single week.
But actually, many wouldn't resist staying without internet for even one week, even if they were free to move around.
Internet is helluva drug.

I've never been to jail, it must be said. But I've always thought it must be painfully boring.

If it's anything like the movies (which it hopefully isn't) all the other people trying to shank you probably keeps it lively.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I've never been to jail, it must be said. But I've always thought it must be painfully boring.

If it's anything like the movies (which it hopefully isn't) all the other people trying to shank you probably keeps it lively.

I visited a mate in minimum security (a prison farm). He and everyone else worked out like crazy, for self-defense, but the sense of being constantly under threat was apparently not backed by much actual violence. He did (I think) 6 months without being in a fight.

Movies are always about maximum security, I guess it makes for a better script.

[Salandriagado]

Places that have done those measures without shelter in place did not reduce the base reproduction rate below 1.

OK, where?

The UK, most notably (which is why we followed up with a lockdown).

It literally is part of the lockdown - it's preventing people from leaving their houses to go to those businesses.

They seem separable to me. Closing businesses gives people one less reason to leave home, but doesn't actually stop them.

However, preventing people from leaving homes implies closing those businesses.

For comparison, consider bans on large gatherings: people who would normally go to a sports game on Saturday no longer have that reason to leave home, but (without shelter in place) there's nothing stopping them taking a walk instead. If closing businesses is conflated with shelter-in-place ... then why isn't a ban on large gatherings?

They aren't being conflated - they're being included. And both of them are. Because both of them are part of it.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

OK, where?

The UK, most notably (which is why we followed up with a lockdown).

They seem separable to me. Closing businesses gives people one less reason to leave home, but doesn't actually stop them.

However, preventing people from leaving homes implies closing those businesses.

For comparison, consider bans on large gatherings: people who would normally go to a sports game on Saturday no longer have that reason to leave home, but (without shelter in place) there's nothing stopping them taking a walk instead. If closing businesses is conflated with shelter-in-place ... then why isn't a ban on large gatherings?

They aren't being conflated - they're being included. And both of them are. Because both of them are part of it.

My point is that the article made an arbitrary definition of lockdown, as three things the author opposed. The author supported other measures but those were deliberately NOT included.

"Stay-at-home orders, low assembly thresholds, and business closures together constitute a lockdown. Without those three features, it’s not a lockdown"

Do you agree with that?

And school closures, the article excludes them because the author supports school closure. Are they really a part of lockdown?

[Salandriagado]

The UK, most notably (which is why we followed up with a lockdown).



However, preventing people from leaving homes implies closing those businesses.



They aren't being conflated - they're being included. And both of them are. Because both of them are part of it.

My point is that the article made an arbitrary definition of lockdown, as three things the author opposed. The author supported other measures but those were deliberately NOT included.

"Stay-at-home orders, low assembly thresholds, and business closures together constitute a lockdown. Without those three features, it’s not a lockdown"

Do you agree with that?

And school closures, the article excludes them because the author supports school closure. Are they really a part of lockdown?

Oh, sorry, I completely misunderstood something several posts ago and haven't noticed that we've been talking past each other since then. Ignore all of that lot.

[SuSouth Socialist Union]

It makes my hair stand on end.I began to enjoy life when I tried to retire all my life.
Someone said to me," thank you for your contribution to the country and society. But for the sake of the next generation, please sacrifice"
"But I'm just starting to get my pension"
"We have no choice"

Actually retired people aren't such a burden on the economy. They do a lot of voluntary work for instance, also unpaid work as child minders, and the uncountable work of being friends and family ... well not just them, but surely being someone's friend should count for something.

The economy isn't just people working for money either. Retired people spending from their savings (or investing if they have that much money) and even spending from a pension, all contribute to the economy.

I really wonder at Western governments trying to raise the retirement age. With the prospect of lasting unemployment from this crisis, it seems like a good time to lower it.

Retirees are no longer engaged in productive work, and pensions are a great financial burden. Have you heard of the pension crisis in the UK?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

My point is that the article made an arbitrary definition of lockdown, as three things the author opposed. The author supported other measures but those were deliberately NOT included.

"Stay-at-home orders, low assembly thresholds, and business closures together constitute a lockdown. Without those three features, it’s not a lockdown"

Do you agree with that?

And school closures, the article excludes them because the author supports school closure. Are they really a part of lockdown?

Oh, sorry, I completely misunderstood something several posts ago and haven't noticed that we've been talking past each other since then. Ignore all of that lot.

I'm rather sheepishly following Australian government moves to re-open schools. Hoping it's based on good science, but sometimes I wonder if I'm just supporting it because it's the first easing there has been. It doesn't affect me personally, but I know it matters a lot to parents.

There is another thing: elective surgery has resumed. This doesn't carry much infection risk, it's a luxury Australia can afford now the hospitals have unused capacity and good prospects of the same.

Actually retired people aren't such a burden on the economy. They do a lot of voluntary work for instance, also unpaid work as child minders, and the uncountable work of being friends and family ... well not just them, but surely being someone's friend should count for something.

The economy isn't just people working for money either. Retired people spending from their savings (or investing if they have that much money) and even spending from a pension, all contribute to the economy.

I really wonder at Western governments trying to raise the retirement age. With the prospect of lasting unemployment from this crisis, it seems like a good time to lower it.

Retirees are no longer engaged in productive work, and pensions are a great financial burden.

It's like you missed the whole point. A person's value to the economy is not just measured by pay for "productive work". I flat out reject that characterization of work as "productive" only if it earns an income. Even spending from a pension contributes to the economy.

Have you heard of the pension crisis in the UK?

Only a Tory would call that a crisis. Your government taxes private pension schemes, that's ass-about. They should subsidize them. Maybe you should vote Labour next time!

[Knask]

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick says 'There are more important things than living'. Specifically, boosting the stock market.

[Ifreann]

Well sometimes we have to make sacrifices. The hardest choices require the strongest wills.

Except the sacrifices aren't necessary. The experts agree that a lockdown is not the only way to control this. A lockdown happens when a society doesn't prepare and has to pull a last ditch attempt to stop the plague. Once cases drop below maximum hospital capacity, keeping people locked up and out of work will literally cause more deaths than the disease.

Thousands of people are dying every day. Let us know when cabin fever kills at that rate.

[Fartsniffage]

Only a Tory would call that a crisis. Your government taxes private pension schemes, that's ass-about. They should subsidize them. Maybe you should vote Labour next time!

The pension taxing was a Labour innovation....

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Only a Tory would call that a crisis. Your government taxes private pension schemes, that's ass-about. They should subsidize them. Maybe you should vote Labour next time!

The pension taxing was a Labour innovation....

Mistake then. You'd get more money by letting the savings mature then taxing the biggest ones as they are spent.

As to subsidies, I'd chip in government money early in life (so it grows for longer, also to make young people feel better about their lower wages) and reduce to nothing near retirement age (when it won't have long to grow at all). It might also encourage people to retire young though I know that is anathema to Labour and Tories.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick says 'There are more important things than living'. Specifically, boosting the stock market.

'There are more important things than living' sounds like a religious fanatic's suicide note. Politically it may well be.

[The New California Republic]

Coronavirus: 'Murder threats' to telecoms engineers over 5G

Telecoms engineers have told Radio 1 Newsbeat they're being threatened and harassed by people who believe they're working on 5G, which has been wrongly linked to coronavirus.

"We've actually had cases where people have been threatened with being stabbed, threatened with physical violence and in some cases actually threatened with murder," says Andy Kerr, deputy general secretary of the Communication Workers Union (CWU).

Mike's been an engineer for nine years: "We've had objects thrown at engineers. Threats saying they'll come back with groups of lads and stab them. We've had people threaten to shoot us if we don't leave."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52395771

[Maineiacs]

Coronavirus: 'Murder threats' to telecoms engineers over 5G

Telecoms engineers have told Radio 1 Newsbeat they're being threatened and harassed by people who believe they're working on 5G, which has been wrongly linked to coronavirus.

"We've actually had cases where people have been threatened with being stabbed, threatened with physical violence and in some cases actually threatened with murder," says Andy Kerr, deputy general secretary of the Communication Workers Union (CWU).

Mike's been an engineer for nine years: "We've had objects thrown at engineers. Threats saying they'll come back with groups of lads and stab them. We've had people threaten to shoot us if we don't leave."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52395771

I still don't get how that supposedly works. How does a computer network cause CoVid?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Coronavirus: 'Murder threats' to telecoms engineers over 5G

Telecoms engineers have told Radio 1 Newsbeat they're being threatened and harassed by people who believe they're working on 5G, which has been wrongly linked to coronavirus.

"We've actually had cases where people have been threatened with being stabbed, threatened with physical violence and in some cases actually threatened with murder," says Andy Kerr, deputy general secretary of the Communication Workers Union (CWU).

Mike's been an engineer for nine years: "We've had objects thrown at engineers. Threats saying they'll come back with groups of lads and stab them. We've had people threaten to shoot us if we don't leave."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52395771

I'd like if each of those hooligans, next time they pulled out their phone, found that it didn't work.

[The Grims]

I still don't get how that supposedly works. How does a computer network cause CoVid?

With waves. Waves that mutate your lungs and destroy your natural defenses.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I still don't get how that supposedly works. How does a computer network cause CoVid?

You're asking "why do pants-on-head fucktards believe what they do?"

It's not a good explanation, but the internet has power to make people firmly believe what would otherwise be a daft idea they got after a few billies.

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus ... story.html

Mitch McConnell is literally evil.

[Rojava Free State]

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick says 'There are more important things than living'. Specifically, boosting the stock market.

Remember when we thought Al Qaeda was insane for committing suicide bombings? Yeah this guy wants to die for a far crazier reason.

[Rojava Free State]

I've never been to jail, it must be said. But I've always thought it must be painfully boring.

If it's anything like the movies (which it hopefully isn't) all the other people trying to shank you probably keeps it lively.

Can't speak for like adult jail, but juvi which shares many similarities in certain parts of America isn't quite like the movies. You don't tend to get shanked by some rando you don't know and usually by keeping a low profile and not making too much of a scene, no one will notice you.

[Maineiacs]

I still don't get how that supposedly works. How does a computer network cause CoVid?

With waves. Waves that mutate your lungs and destroy your natural defenses.

Radio waves? They're non-ionizing. So this conspiracy theory is as stupid as I suspected, then.

[Rojava Free State]

OK? There are a range of measures besides "shelter in place" and I'm not sure how you'd separate shelter in place to say that it's definitely effective.

(Unlike the article which has an arbitrarily broad definition, I use "lockdown" for the policy of encouraging/enforcing people to stay in their own houses.

Places that have done those measures without shelter in place did not reduce the base reproduction rate below 1.

My first criticism of the article is that it includes shutting down non-essential businesses as part of "lockdown" ... if they're trying to prove anything they shouldn't conflate different measures that way).

It literally is part of the lockdown - it's preventing people from leaving their houses to go to those businesses.

Why are Taiwan and south Korea fine then? They didn't lock down.

Lockdowns happened because governments weren't prepared. If they were, there would have been no need to basically put everyone under house arrest.

[-Astoria-]

"If you are paranoid and getting sick just don’t go out. It shouldn’t keep those of us from living our lives. The madness has to stop”, said man who's now dead from the virus.

[Rojava Free State]

Except the sacrifices aren't necessary. The experts agree that a lockdown is not the only way to control this. A lockdown happens when a society doesn't prepare and has to pull a last ditch attempt to stop the plague. Once cases drop below maximum hospital capacity, keeping people locked up and out of work will literally cause more deaths than the disease.

Thousands of people are dying every day. Let us know when cabin fever kills at that rate.

And when there aren't thousands dying everyday? I clearly remember you saying a week ago "LUMEN NO ONE IS SAYING WE ARE GONNA LOCK DOWN FOR GOOD." So did your opinion change or what? You know as well as I do that only a fucking idiot would keep people locked down far past the peak of this virus.

[Rojava Free State]

"If you are paranoid and getting sick just don’t go out. It shouldn’t keep those of us from living our lives. The madness has to stop”, said man who's now dead from the virus.

“If what I’m hearing is true, that DeWine has ordered all bars and restaurants to be closed, I say bullshit! He doesn’t have the authority," McDaniel reportedly wrote in a since-deleted social media post circulated widely on social media.

This is what had him mad? Bro go to the park or something.

Well, he can't now because he's dead, probably because he believed it was "just the flu."