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Pilipinas and Malaya
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:03 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes like Trump

Or any Governor too? We need a leader like Orban or President Xi right?


I’m pretty sure President Xi was the guy that let the virus run amok inside China for a week or two before taking action despite having knowledge of the potential danger it may wreak.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:04 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What law allows the federal government to quarantine the entire city of New York?

There isn’t one

Doesn’t mean it’s not legal
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:05 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:There isn’t one

Doesn’t mean it’s not legal

Doesn't mean it is either.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:06 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes it does. Because the act doesn’t apply to the use of certain things and you can still use the military in non law enforcement positions which is 100% legal and what I’m talking about.

Yet you continue to act like I want to use the military to arrest everyone

What law allows the federal government to quarantine the entire city of New York?

There’s nothing to say that the federal government can’t quarantine Metro areas, which would be NYC plus extra.

Besides there’s already precedent
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:06 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Doesn’t mean it’s not legal

Doesn't mean it is either.

We are in new territory. Besides there’s already precedent to shutdown entire metros
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:06 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Doesn’t mean it’s not legal

Doesn't mean it is either.

That’s up to the Supreme Court innit?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:07 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What law allows the federal government to quarantine the entire city of New York?

There’s nothing to say that the federal government can’t quarantine Metro areas, which would be NYC plus extra.

Besides there’s already precedent


What precedent? When has the federal government ever sealed off a city?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:07 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:There isn’t one

Doesn’t mean it’s not legal

Kinda does. The government doesn't get to do stuff without some law giving them the power to do stuff. It's the opposite of how people have rights and can do whatever they want unless some law prohibits them from doing it.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:07 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:There isn’t one

Doesn’t mean it’s not legal

10th amendment kinda means it not legal.

Doesnt mean the president cant do it. And do it till a court says. "Not so fast, big guy". But that day will come.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:08 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:There’s nothing to say that the federal government can’t quarantine Metro areas, which would be NYC plus extra.

Besides there’s already precedent


What precedent? When has the federal government ever sealed off a city?

LA during the riots. NYC during the Civil war during riots. Several occasions actually
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:08 am

The Grims wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Talking about "the peak in America" doesn't make much sense - different states are at wildly different places in their outbreaks, so will peak at very different times.


Obviously the peak is when Trumps hotels are losing the most money.

This is not the time or the issue to blame or put down anyone. Take care and be safe.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:09 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:There’s nothing to say that the federal government can’t quarantine Metro areas, which would be NYC plus extra.

Besides there’s already precedent


What precedent? When has the federal government ever sealed off a city?

Vicksburg 1863, a terrible time indeed.
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:09 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:There isn’t one

Doesn’t mean it’s not legal


Actually, it does.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:10 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What precedent? When has the federal government ever sealed off a city?

LA during the riots. NYC during the Civil war during riots. Several occasions actually

They didn’t close down all roads in or out. Show the receipts
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Postby Novus America » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:10 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes it does. Because the act doesn’t apply to the use of certain things and you can still use the military in non law enforcement positions which is 100% legal and what I’m talking about.

Yet you continue to act like I want to use the military to arrest everyone

You want to sacrifice entire municipalities.


Temporary checkpoints would not sacrifice them, especially as you are already prohibited from leaving anyways. You would probably not even notice it, as you probably have not left the area in over a month.

Food, water, electricity, communications, etc. would not be interrupted.

The goal is to lift many restrictions as soon as possible, which would require restrictions on movement between high an low risk areas.

As soon as NYC’s cases are controlled and dropping it would be declared a blue zone, and then it would not be subject to as many restrictions.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:10 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What law allows the federal government to quarantine the entire city of New York?

There’s nothing to say that the federal government can’t quarantine Metro areas, which would be NYC plus extra.

There's nothing to say that the federal government can't launch you into the Sun for farting in an elevator.

Besides there’s already precedent

Manhunts and quarantines aren't the same thing.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:10 am

Ifreann wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Doesn’t mean it’s not legal

Kinda does. The government doesn't get to do stuff without some law giving them the power to do stuff. It's the opposite of how people have rights and can do whatever they want unless some law prohibits them from doing it.

We haven’t operated in that way for decades. Hell FDR used laws for different purposes and established precedent to remove the Japanese to the interment camps
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:11 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What precedent? When has the federal government ever sealed off a city?

Vicksburg 1863, a terrible time indeed.


Had to be done.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:11 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What precedent? When has the federal government ever sealed off a city?

LA during the riots. NYC during the Civil war during riots. Several occasions actually

Source that LA every came under federal Marshal law, the national guard deploying at rhe governors request does not count.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:11 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:LA during the riots. NYC during the Civil war during riots. Several occasions actually

They didn’t close down all roads in or out. Show the receipts

Martial law was in effect dude they didn’t have to shut down every road.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:12 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:LA during the riots. NYC during the Civil war during riots. Several occasions actually

They didn’t close down all roads in or out. Show the receipts


They did send federal troops to disperse dumb assholes.

So what is really the difference.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:12 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They didn’t close down all roads in or out. Show the receipts

Martial law was in effect dude they didn’t have to shut down every road.

They didn’t block every road or shut down public transit
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:12 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Doesn't mean it is either.

We are in new territory. Besides there’s already precedent to shutdown entire metros

Epidemics have happened since time immemorial.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:12 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:There’s nothing to say that the federal government can’t quarantine Metro areas, which would be NYC plus extra.

Besides there’s already precedent


What precedent? When has the federal government ever sealed off a city?


It is not really “sealing it off” though, just a temporary restriction on non essential travel really.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:12 am

San Lumen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I’m feeling down. Down enough that pondering whether it’s best to just get sick with CoVID19 already has become part of my daily thought process. You know, like get it over with.

Not a good thing to be thinking of right now.

How do you think I feel after feeling so depressed and then getting the notification today that I lost my job.

Sorry to hear you lost your job, take care and be safe. I wish you the best.
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